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I need Coldplay certified sales file. Thank you Esambuu (talk) 02:25, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
1. Something Just Like This has certified 2x platinum in Canada (160,000 units)
2. Total UK single sales are 10,200,000 in my calculation. (Not 9,600,000)
3. Austrian Total sales are 182,500 (not 172,500) 132,500 Albums + 45,000 Singles + 5,000 Videos = 182,500
4. Belgian albums sales are 480,000 (your total is 470,000) Esambuu (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
She's sold 27 million in the US according to the RIAA. --2A00:C440:20:164E:F51C:F2E7:902:56E1 (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
"Wild Thoughts" is now certified platinum in the United States (1,000,000), but on the RIAA web page the certification is only credited to DJ Khaled. (https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=DJ+Khaled&ti=Wild+Thoughts#search_section) As the single includes two featured artists (Rihanna and Bryson Tiller) and all vocals are provided by the featured artists, it is acceptable to count the certification to Rihanna's data. So what now? Ilikeriri (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Harout... Sorry but could you please provide the update Bolton's certification sales total, I really think he's deserve to gain a place in this list with 75m-claim. He is an old artists and quite famous worldwide. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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Belgium: Something Just Like This - 2x Platinum Esambuu (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout. I think we should terminate Barry White from this list, since his certification sales total only less than 22 million but his sales claim is too much. Please see this source (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-05-31/features/9002140172_1_soul-ii-soul-british-sensations-girlfriend), Chicago Tribune 1990 article said that White only sell 30m of his records. He can not sell another 70m-records since 1990. So his sales claims are only in range 60-80m, until then he can not claim the 100m-seller status. Need your opinion before we kick his name out from this list. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:46, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
@Harout72: Why can't we add Linkin Park to the list? --TIAYN (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Harout, I'm on mobile phone now so I can not showing it to you, perhaps tommorrow. Please look at the Wikipedia profile, there is a News Organization called World Socialist Web Site. And is it possible to use that source for reference in the list?. Because today, that organization publish an article about Linkin Park which said has sold 75m albums and singles. If you think a source from World Socialist Web Site is reliable, then I will bring it here to use as Linkin Park's 75m claim support. Need your consideration. Thank you Politsi (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
First of all, a shoutout to the wonderful music contributors that have spent hours and hours compiling this list. For real, this is my favourite WP-article measured in usefulness. :)
To the subject matter: why does it clarify the certified units twice for every artist? Once in the heading of each table, and once for every artist entry. Of course, it is important to highlight how the figure is calculated, but writing it twice? A (literal, not figural) waste of space on this page layout, in my humble opinion.
Total available certified units:
in front of every cert-figure, and keep the Total certified units\(from available markets)
in the table headings. To simplify reading.I'll admit, if I had enough edits to edit this, I'd be bold enough to remove it straight away. But I guess the monster which we call consensus cannot be avoided sometimes[sarcasm].
Gaioa (talk) 22:57, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout. As I remember, someone mention about this South Korean band before. I find this source (http://www.chron.com/entertainment/music/article/12-photos-of-G-Dragon-during-his-Houston-debut-at-11305103.php) from Houston Chronicle, which state the band has sold 100m-records. How many of their certification sales total? Is it enough for 100m-claim?. Need your help. Btw there's no lower claim figures for them other than 100m. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout, any update from their certification sales? are they ready to enter the list with 75m-claim?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 14:11, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
EMI Music Publishing has renewed its long-term worldwide administration agreement with Pink, who has sold over 40 million albums and 70 million singles globally. (http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/publishing/1098133/publishing-briefs-pink-re-ups-with-emi-universal-inks-danger) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.211.255.220 (talk) 23:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout... Have you ever heard Bobby Vinton?. This source (http://www.hollandsentinel.com/x342384611/Tulip-Time-Fab-Five) was saying that Vinton has sold 75m-records... Need your help if you have much time to check his certification sales. Thank you Politsi (talk) 11:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
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Change Celine Dion "Claimed Sales" range from 175-200 to 200-250 million and move her to the first group. Here are the sources that come from BILLBOARD and the JUNO awards that claim she has sold 250 million.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/bbma/7356823/celine-dion-icon-award-perform-2016-billboard-music-awards http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7776996/the-illustrious-career-of-celine-dion http://junoawards.ca/nomination/04-2017-album-of-the-year-celine-dion/
Thx 184.70.6.150 (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout. I've seen there is significant increase of Park's certification sales. When their certification pass 75 million, I will bring them to the 100m-club with this source (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/chester-bennington-linkin-park-lead-singer-fans-death-suicide-childhood-chris-cornell-nu-metal-a7858551.html). Need your opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
With sales claims ranging of up to 150 million[1][2] I would say an addition to the list wouldnt be too bad.I am looking for certification numbers to ensure that the claims are backed by at least 20%.
Claims for James Last range from 80 million to about 150 to even 200 million.
Also The Doors have sold at least 100 million records.There are more sources that cite 100 million rather than this lists 80 million.Many of the other bands on this lists have a lower number of certified units than The Doors, but are still listed higher.
Anyway I hope you will consider also including the other acts I named you. Cheers mate. WikiEditCrunch (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Alright thanks.But I still have problems understanding the The Doors sales claims issue (80 mil or 100 mil). Cheers! WikiEditCrunch (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
This article doesn't specify whether the sales being discussed are singles, albums, or some combination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnapps17 (talk • contribs) 03:11, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
@Schnapps17::It's in the first paragraph: "This list includes music artists with claims of 75 million or more record sales.--88marcus (talk) 03:19, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout, I'm not sure. Need your help, what do you think about this source? (http://www.edp24.co.uk/going-out/celebrating-the-magic-of-michael-jackson-1-4874900) from Eastern Daily Press, is it the contain reliable to support Jackson's 350m-records?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout, I need your opinion. I already move up the claim sales of Shania Twain and Coldplay to 90m-records. And I want to do the same thing to B'z with 90m-claim also, but this time I want to use this source (http://events.kroq.cbslocal.com/silverspring/events/bz-/E0-001-047656666-9) from KROQ-FM, which is one the CBS Corporation organization. I think this source is reliable for temporary because although it's a radio station but it's part of mass media organization. B'z claim sales source already too old (2005), we need something new. When I find the better source, I will replace it immediately. Need your opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Counting both album and single sales as a single unit in the same column is kind of misleading. Would it make sense to have them in separate columns and then another column as combined? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apophis82 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
According to her official website, she sold 200 million records in 2006 - http://www.madonna.com/news/title/madonna-tour-dates-announced
And 300 million as of 2015 - http://www.madonna.com/news/title/madonna-announces-performances-in-australia--new-zealand
How did she sell 100 million records just within 9 years? Her biggest seller in this time is Hard Candy which only sold 4 million copies. It means she lies her sales.
My suggestion is either put Nana on top with 400 million records sold according herself and others - http://www.nanamouskouri-50.com/index.php?cid=biographie-page4&var=biographie-page4
or
put Rihanna on top who has highest certifications. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.56.127.65 (talk) 15:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Guinness wrote Madonna sold 275 million records in 2012 - http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2012/4/madonna-beats-elviss-no1-albums-record-as-mdna-tops-uk-chart
And 300 million records in 2014 - http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-female-recording-artist
How did she sell 25 million records in just 2 years? MDNA sold only 2 million copies. It proves Guinness inflates her records as well. She might be paying it to stay relevant. This 300 million records number in not backboned by IFPI either.
Again my suggestion is if certified records do not matter then either put Nana on top with 400 million records sold according herself and others - http://www.nanamouskouri-50.com/index.php?cid=biographie-page4&var=biographie-page4
or
put Rihanna on top who has highest certified records. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.56.72.3 (talk) 18:35, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Harout, need your help to check his certification sales so far. Is it adequate to get the 76m-claim sales? (http://www.sundaytimes.lk/170507/magazine/pitbull-to-rock-colombo-238955.html) Thanks. Politsi (talk) 07:57, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout, need your help. How many of her certification sales so far. As I remember from our last discussion last year, she only need less than 5 million to gain the 85m-claim sales (http://www.caribpress.com/2013/06/07/nicki-minaj-signs-up-spokesperson-and-investor-for-moscato-wine/). And how about Maroon 5? we could bring them to the list now?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout, I need your opinion. Please look at this source (http://don411.com/the-arcadia-performing-arts-foundation-concert-season-begins-on-january-9-2016-at-8pm-when-abbamania-and-night-fever-perform-at-the-arcadia-performing-arts-center/#.WbZ0iDsxXIV), inside it's talk about ABBA's 140m-claim, but I'm not sure that source is reliable although the website claim they are a news service. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Mariah's total certified sales has increased from 118 million to almost 136 million... Is it time to increase her total sales claim to 225 million? fidelovkurt 17:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout.. How far of their certification sales total so far? is there any significant increase?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 10:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Can we please have a list of certifications for P!nk, I'm pretty sure she can fit into one of these categories and don't you think it's about time we move Beyonce to the 100 million section, I know because of the time she began charting that she needs between 75-80 million certified units, she's at 78 million right now, even if we decide that she needs the maximum certification which is 80 million, she's only two million away. Can we also have Rihanna's sales claim updated to 270 million and can we add Sade to the 75 million records list, providing that she has the certified units to back up such claims of course. (190.80.50.137 (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2017 (UTC))
Harout, I think it's time to bring Beyonce to the 100m-club. she's already in 78m-units. And we should not kept the source from Daily Mail in a long time. I'll bring Beyonce to the 100m-club but please undo it if you think she's still not deserve it. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:20, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout, after full consideration. I decided to bring Twain to the 100m-club, her certification has pass 75 million and she has start her chart career since 1993. She will release her new albums, Now on September 2017, meaning that her certification sales soon will be close to 80 million. I will use this source for her 100m-claim (http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/shania-twain-announces-headline-london-13643341). But, if you think it's not the right time for Shania to join the prestigious 100m-club. Please revert it. I need your advise. Thanks Politsi (talk) 04:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout,Can you please add BIGBANG 빅뱅 they sold up to 140m, here is some realible sources : SRC1 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
+ i Have a Sources of 120,976,099 million certified units Exactly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_discography Please review those numbers i believe they are 100% accurate.
MRAU-vip — Preceding Hamza.A comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs) 16:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry Harout but the list you added is incomplete, you have not added many songs that have certifications, you said I'm not even gonna bother with verifying those. How can anybody claim 140 million records sales for them you need to verify them because they sold 140M+ its not depending in your opinion, the rules are clear if i give you certified link of these numbers you need to accept them, + BIGBANG IS VERY KNOWN AND THEY ARE BIGGEST BOY BAND IN THE WORLD, if you don't know them that's its not my probleme, i see 140m is VERY LOW compared to their achievements, so you need to do what this page is about and you need to put them in the list , because if i started calculating all artist in this list so some of them they gonna be out of the list because they have inflated promotional figure in thier Source link, do your research next time Correctly, i just calculate thier numbers based on the rules on this section and here is The real Numbers : 71.572 Million in Total, FORBES Last Year Stated : BIGBANG EARNED 44million in 2016 Only (https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2016/07/06/bigbang-theory-how-k-pops-top-act-earned-44-million-in-a-year/#6da108315830), Think of it logically they can earn 44M in one year and they can't sold 140M in their whole career ? Read THIS https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/04/21/bigbang-biggest-boy-band-world-you-probably-havent-heard/83197506/
DO YOU STILL THINK THAT THIS A SMALL GROUP AND THEY CAN'T SOLD 140M ? btw Here is the list with Sales and certifications : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_discography#Singles So Please if you can't calculate their sales, i can do it for you ^^ — Preceding comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs) 16:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
i really appreciate your hard work , but downgrade a group achievement is not good, i know the difference between certified sales and actual sales, maybe all of BIGBANG Static sales came from GAON , Guess what , GAON are supperted by Korea Music Content Industry Association' (KMCIA) and (RIAK) recording industry association of korea http://www.kmcia.or.kr/sales/source http://www.riak.or.kr/chart/gaon_total.asp wich means all sales provided there are certified sales, do you research correctly — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs) 17:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Just a by passer who happened to come across this talk page, I quote: "My research shows that it's impossible. With no success in the western world, I'm not sure how they could have sold 140 million records in medium to small sized Asian markets." I believe because you don't know how big Big Bang really is (because your knowledge appears to only be limited to the western market) let me just mention that minus the western market, the Asian market is the next biggest market especially the amount of revenues that come from South Korea, China and Japan. I'll leave you with this short video covered by CNN, just because one hasn't heard of a group doesn't mean they're not big, because I have an insightful knowledge on pop culture I can clearly see that they most certainly are able to sell 140+ million records throughout their 10 years of their careers (also as the person above stated all sales are certified under the KMCIA and RIAK) it's very much possible: http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/09/08/talk-asia-big-bang-spc-c.cnn (Watch from 0:00 - 1:09) I won't argue on this matter just wanted to provide you with some knowledge to understand how big they really are. Rain Forest (talk) 06:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
@Harout27 They are Biggest boy band in the world not only asia + Their sales are CERTIFIED http://www.kmcia.or.kr/sales/source http://www.riak.or.kr/chart/gaon_total.asp comment added by MRAU-vip — Preceding (talk • contribs) 02:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello sorry to bother you Billboard.com made an update about Eminem total sales. Eminem is at 172 million albums sold now.[1]
Rakim69 (talk) 16:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC) Rakim69
Harout, I've seen their certification sales has pass 94 million. I think it's time for us to raise their level sales club to 120m by using this source (http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/04/16/metallica-celebrates-record-store-day-in-berkeley-with-live-performance/). Need your advise before I move their position. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 04:27, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout, are there any sources for him? If I counted correctly, he has 45.5 million units in US and 29.06 in UK alone so it's enough to support a 96 million claim. With the rest of certifications he would be able to support a over 100 million claim.
Where does Drake's certification lie. Is it enough to add him to the list? As well as Mary J Blige, TLC and Toni Braxton. I have read somewhere that both of them have claimed sales of 75 million and over. Can a check of their certified units be done.
Regards (190.80.50.137 (talk) 16:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC))
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80.67.137.12 (talk) 08:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Britney Spears has sold 200 million records worldwide, including 100 million albums and 100 million singles. Source: https://fotpforums.com/topic/102816-britney-spears-6th-best-selling-female-worlwide-sales-and-figures-official-topic/
Total sales in the US should be around 85 million instead of 84,5. His last single, "Versace on the Floor", was certified Gold by the RIAA and not yet updated here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Harout, I've decided to raise Mars's records sales to 130m-claim because I feel that 124m is too low since he already has pass 118m certification sales. Is that ok? Thanks. Politsi (talk) 13:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Why Adriano Celentano with 150 mil of copies dont show in list?
1 – Adriano Celentano 150 milioni; 2 – Mina 150 milioni; 3 – Patty Pravo 110 milioni; 4 – Luciano Pavarotti 100 milioni; 5 – Giorgio Moroder 100 milioni; 6 – Toto Cutugno 100 milioni; 7 – Andrea Bocelli 85 milioni; 8 – Umberto Tozzi 75 milioni; 9 – Pooh 70 milioni; 10 – Laura Pausini 70 milioni; 11 – Ennio Morricone 70 milioni; 12 – Domenico Modugno 60 milioni; 13 – Eros Ramazzotti 55 milioni; 14 – Zucchero 55 milioni; 15 – Edoardo Vianello
Pls include also italian singer.. Thks Enaud (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Harout, her certification sales has pass 225 million. So when we can raise her up to 264m-claim? Because I think it's time for her to join the most prestigious 250m-club with 264m claim (http://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/11/23/rihanna-anti-world-tour-phoenix-concert/76285950/). Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey Harout, long time. I was reading your edit notes through the last few months or so, and can't seem to find anything on Carey's song "Honey". The BPI certified it Silver a few months ago so I'm just double checking it wasn't overlooked. Cheers!--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 03:09, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
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Bon Jovi has currently sold more than 130 million units of records worldwide and it is said on another Wikipedia page. If possible, try to correct this, if not please explain why it doesn't need to be changed. Thank You. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Jovi 71.179.206.197 (talk) 04:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Harout, please look at this source (http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170515/katy-perry-coming-to-mohegan-sun-in-september). The Providence Journal said that Perry has sold 143 million, but that claim sales come from the capital records. I think we can use this source for temporary until I find the better one and Perry's certification has pass 127 million. She able to get the 143m-claim. I will move perry to the higher club. But please revert it if what I do is not reliable for her. Thanks Politsi (talk) 04:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I think now Coldplay should be considered as 100 million record seller. Esambuu (talk) 08:41, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, i need Coldplay's certification data. Thank you Esambuu (talk) 02:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I think the 100 million claimed sales for the Backstreet Boys is wrong and should be updated as they actually have 130+ million and therefore should be in the category above. You can find proof on many websites including other Wikipedia pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsbfanforever 1993 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Ink has certified Gold in 2015 in Italy (15,000 units) Now Ink has certified Platinum in Italy (30,000 unites) as 2014 release. Esambuu (talk) 03:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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I would like to place an edit on the units Bon Jovi has sold for this article, citing their Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Jovi. I would appreciate if you or me was given this request. Billy50 (talk) 16:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
For the band Bon Jovi, their claimed sales are at 100 million, however it should say 130 million. I am referring to the claimed sales, not the claimed figures or certified units. I would like you to change this, even their own Wikipedia page states that they have sold over 130 million units. Again, I am not referring to their certified sales. Billy50 (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
@Harout72: In the world of album-equivalent units, I think we should reconsider how we should represent certified units on this page. The RIAA has revised their criteria for album certification by counting 15,000 streams = 1 certified album, as well as 10 song downloads = 1 certified album. So today, an album with 2x platinum doesn't automatically mean having shipped 2 million copies anymore. The problem is that there's also digital single certification, which required 150 streams = 1 certified unit and 1 song downloads = 1 certified unit. This clearly made the album's certification and the single's certification become overlapping.
For example: let's say Drake's "One Dance" sold 5,000,000 downloads and was streamed 1,500,000,000 times. How many certified units does he get?
Well... see? In this example, "One Dance" which only sold 5 million copies can generate 16.5 million certified units through the current RIAA methodology. That's way Rihanna or Taylor Swift certified numbers look so much inflated. I personally say, let's stick to album certifications because they've already counted all their songs' streams and downloads. What do you think? Let's discuss. Bluesatellite (talk) 15:35, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
The District Bey website has Beyonce's most recent total record sales as 271 million as of October 2017, however, it has Destiny's Child's sales figures factored in. District Bey. I am not sure if acts who were once apart of a group have those figures factored in or not; the most obvious comparison would be Michael Jackson. --Nk3play2 my buzz 02:46, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Britney Spears figures are way under stated. She sold 76 million albums worldwide and close to 100 million singles. Including DVD's she easily would have reach 180 million records. That is an 80 million records difference and way off the acceptable margin. Whoever did this page needs to correct it.
Shouldn't Boney M. be on here as they have 150m+ record sales? It says so on their wikipedia page and there are references for that.
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According to the RIAA (https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=awards_by_artist#search_section), Taylor Swift has sold 26.5 million units in the United States, not 135.5 million as the drop down menu asserts. This also changes the amount of "Total certified units" by 109 million. She should therefore be moved off of these lists, as the numbers do not qualify her for even the 75-79 million section. Shkee23 (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Someone should re-add Green Day. They were on this list and some hater probably removed them. I can't edit the page. 184.157.52.236 (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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Harout, their new album already certified. Are they ready to enter the list with 75m-claim?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Harout, currently a lot of reliable source since 2016 to date said that adams sold only "65m records". Even his official website claim that same sales for him, while we still kept his name on the list with 100m sales. Adams's total certified units are less then 45m, so we should re-considered his position on the list. I suggest we put his position to the 75m list, it's much more reliable than 100m claim which is also quite inflated. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Harout, I see Bieber's certification sales has pass 130 million. I think we should move him up to the higher level. Please look at this source (http://www.pressreader.com/canada/metro-canada-halifax/20171013/281749859579642) from NewspaperDirect Inc., inside it said Bieber has sold 140m-records. What do you think?, we can move him up now?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Harout. I need your help. How many of her certification sales total? I feel she is deserve to be on the list and I'm still working on to find a reliable source for her. Is it possible for her to get 80m-claim?. I'm curious and hopefully you can help me. Thanks. Politsi (talk) 07:31, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi,
I hope you don't mind me pointing out the following, with respect...
The issue with this page is it's not using weight figures, so as it is, selling downloads at $1 is worth the same as selling an album for $15, which puts the likes Rihanna higher than Celine Dion The Rolling Stones. I'm sure you can see the issue with this.
For a good example of the correct analysis, go through this page Chartmasters Queen page and you'll find that it's been researched thoroughly (you can click the black boxes - there's 63 of them for Queen alone). http://chartmasters.org/2017/10/cspc-queen-popularity-analysis/63/
Some artists haven't yet been covered (for example, Elton John, Elvis), but we have a much better idea via Chartmasters. Despite Elvis and Elton John not yet being added (those are being worked on), Wiki should look more like this...
ARTISTS RANKING – CSPC – OVERALL SALES
1. The Beatles – 405,737,000 2. Michael Jackson – 323,741,000 3. Madonna – 241,135,000 4. Queen – 238,637,000 5. The Rolling Stones – 237,135,000 6. Pink Floyd – 229,426,000 7. Led Zeppelin – 200,459,000 8. U2 – 194,519,000 9. Céline Dion – 193,422,000 10. Mariah Carey – 167,149,000 11. Bruce Springsteen – 157,024,000 12. Bee Gees – 156,874,000 13. ABBA – 156,623,000 14. Eminem – 154,954,000 15. Whitney Houston – 151,693,000 16. Billy Joel – 146,695,000 17. Fleetwood Mac – 144,842,000 18. Bon Jovi – 144,095,000 19. Bob Dylan – 142,291,000 20. Metallica – 139,406,000
The list continues past 20 also (check the link below)
It's worth exploring this website and you'll find how well researched the information is
http://chartmasters.org/2017/10/cspc-data-collector/9/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album-equivalent_unit
This is the method used now. From another Wiki page:
"Album-equivalent unit From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The standard of an album-equivalent unit in the United States, according to the RIAA and Billboard magazine. The album-equivalent unit is a measurement unit in music industry to define the consumption of music which equals the purchase of one album copy.[1][2] This consumption includes streaming and song downloads, in addition to traditional album sales. The album-equivalent unit was introduced in the mid-2010s as an answer to the drop of album sales in the 21st century. Album sales more than halved from 1999 to 2009, declining from a $14.6 to $6.3 billion industry.[3] For instance, the only albums that went platinum in the United States in 2014 were the Frozen soundtrack and Taylor Swift's 1989, whereas several artists did in 2013.[4][5]
The usage of the album-equivalent units revolutionized the charts from the "best-selling albums" ranking into the "most popular albums" ranking.[6] The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) have used album-equivalent unit to measure their Global Recording Artist of the Year since 2013.[7]"
1) Sign your posts. 2) Keep your posts brief. 3) Do your research properly, the RIAA has certified countless number of albums in 2014.--Harout72 (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC) Will1111 (talk) 23:53, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi,
Which part of the Chartmasters analysis do you think isn't researched? Try the Queen page, for example (as mentioned above). This starts at page one and runs you through it (see the black boxes below the text on each page): http://chartmasters.org/2017/10/cspc-queen-popularity-analysis/
Which part of it do you disagree with? I ask this a place to start, and from your response I'm not sure you understood what I meant by weight figures (along with citing the album equivalent unit Wiki page also). @Harout72: Will1111 (talk) 02:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
The issue here is the double-flaw of overlap / lowest criteria. If a song sells 5 million downloads, it counts as 500,000 albums AND 5 million downloads, which creates double-counting. It doesn't change the picture much if you look at album sales OR single sales, but when you put them together, it gives this: Artist A releases an album which sells 500,000 units. His album goes Gold according to the RIAA. Artist B releases a single which sells 5 million units. His album goes Gold according to the RIAA, the single is eligible for 5xP. Please notice that the same units can be certified twice, but the RIAA does that because they are careful in never adding both tallies (which would mean double-count) together. They are two point of views, we can say that the artist B sold units worth 500,000 albums or 5 million singles.
As per the Wikipedia methodology, artist A sold 500,000 records while artist B sold 5,500,000 records. It means that sales which are considered as perfectly equivalent by the RIAA are represented with an 11 to 1 gap, @Harout72:. 2.96.149.103 (talk) 08:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)2.96.149.103 (talk)
Harout. Today I decided to move B'z to 100m-club, they deserve to be in that place considering their certification sales are over 85 million and they already start their career since 1988. And their current source for their sales claim is old enough already. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Bigbang already surpassed 140 Million , only in japan they surpassed 38.4 Million reported by oricon chart them self and you already calculated some of their sales and i have that document and to let you know you didn't completed it and you said there is more than 40 million sales , so let's do some math, 40+38= 78 at least they should be on the list, if you need any help i can calculate their numbers of sales in doc file and give it to you to check it , if oricon reported about the numbers then they should be certified and not claimed, so the 78 Million here is certified sales ,and 140 are claimed and here is the sources : 140M Claim 38,4M Japanese sales — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs) 05:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Can You Reply please ? --EXTENDED 14:13, 3 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs)
Dear Sonio194 The list about sales ranking, Please Use better translator if You don't know Japanese, i recommend you to use BING for Better translation, and that number are total earning and the 38,4M are total sales , The Translation of The title :
【オリコン年間】乃木坂46初の総売上TOP3 BIGBANG・Hey!Say!は初TOP10 = [Oricon year] Nogizaka's first total sales of 46 top3 BIGBANG-Hey! Say, the first Top10
i hope you understand it now ^^
--#MRAU 03:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
oh sorry my bad , I've mentioned the wrong article , They sold 32.9 million copies and They earn 2.37 billion yen
23.7億円(32.9万枚) BIGBANG : 2.37 billion yen (32.9 million copies) BIGBANG
and here is the right Article --#MRAU 23:33, 4 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs)
Can I have Beyonce's certified sales link please. Thanks (190.80.50.137 (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2017 (UTC))
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I don't want to change anything. I just can't remember if Feeling Myself's certification was updated. I've recently found out that it is now 2xplatinum according to the RIAA. (190.80.50.137 (talk) 13:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC))
Ok thanks. Final question, does she need 88.5 million certified units to move to 118 million or 94.4 million certified units? Regards (190.80.50.137 (talk) 19:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC))
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Beyonce has sold 200 million records worldwide X MalikDye (talk) 23:11, 5 December 2017 (UTC) MalikDye (talk) 23:11, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Tino Rossi: ″He remains the only French singer to have sold more than 700 million records. His disc "Petit Papa Noël" alone sold 80 million copies worldwide." on his page but not Tino Rossi on List of best-selling music artists. Why? because not certified? GabrieL (talk) 10:42, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Did Justin Bieber receive any certification updates from Despacito? If so is Beyonce eligable for such? I've just seen that Mi Gente is now certified 2x platinum. I know prior to the remix it had only sold 268,000 copies in the US. I know that both versions are counted together in order for the new certification, so does that mean Beyonce gets sales update? I hope you understand me lol. Clarification would be great.
Thanks in Advance (190.80.50.137 (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC))
Harout, NKOTB once inside the list with 80m claim. Considering they are doing some reunion tour recently, is that any re-certification of their sales which can make them back to the list. At least with 75m-records?. Need your help for their certification sales total, and I have the reliable source for their 75m claim. Thanks. Politsi (talk) 11:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Harout, can you give me Coldplay's certified sales document? Esambuu (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
-- Thank you, Here's my update: 1. Something Just Like This - 5x Platinum (Source: https://musiccanada.com/gold-platinum/?fwp_gp_search=something%20just%20like%20this) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esambuu (talk • contribs) 05:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Harout, so far there is no broadsheet newspaper or other music news organization talking about his sales. Please see this source (http://www.realclearlife.com/real-estate/eric-clapton-former-california-home-paloma-avenue/#1) it was published on 8 June 2017 by realclearlife.com, a news website which is part of RealClearPolitics, a Chicago-based Political journalism news website. Inside they are talking about Clapton's 130m-records. I believe Clapton's certification sales is good and able to get 130m-claim. Harout, I think we should include him to the list with 130m-claim by using that source, RealClearPolitics is still a news organization without any gossip or hoax news and something we can work with. But I will still searching the better source for him. Clapton is the only musician who's still out of the list, while he is deserve to be on the list. I need your help and consideration. Thanks Politsi (talk) 13:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Backstreet Boys (BSB) should have at least 130 million. According to another Wikipedia page (Backstreet Boys1): "The Backstreet Boys have sold over 130 million records worldwide,[7] making them the best-selling boy band in history,[8][9][10] and one of the world's best-selling music artists." This is supported by numerous other sites such as IMDb who said that BSB "have sold over 130 million albums world wide making them the best selling boy band in history"2.
1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backstreet_Boys 2http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1477802/bio
Please add the German certification level of 500,000 copies to the list. I did a comparison of the list prior to the certification date on December 13th.. .and NO it hasn't been added to the list here at all. Kindly update up fidelovkurt 07:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Harout, after I remove Bryan Adams from 100m club and Barry Manilow from 80m club to a lower place. I will do the same thing to Lionel Richie, I will remove his name from 100m club and put him with 90m claim because his certified sales only 40m. I will implemented it immediately. Thanks Politsi (talk) 19:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Will Beyonce be credited for Mi Gente's certifications; the ones that she has largely affected of course. I see that the song is now double platinum so will that result in certifications for her? Also should the Perfect duet have additional certifications would she be credited for them as well? (190.80.50.137 (talk) 17:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC))
I'm confused on why these two artists have not been moved to the 120 million+ listing given their certified sales numbers. Are there no sources to support claimed sales in this range? It seems unusual to see artists with such high certified sales listed with lower claimed sales. TJ 19:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Harout. I have a reliable source to support Lady Gaga with 124m-sales. Her certification nearly 100m. I will move her position up immediately. Is that okay?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:28, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
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Ok, it's still on 184 million certified units, not yet enough to support the billion figure (20% rules) but good enough to meet the 750 million units sold (CLAIMED SALES) as of 2006 according to the World Music Award and main sources such as MTV.com I really do not need to include sources as the 750 million figures is reported by a thousand of serious websites. Let's discuss on how the top list could be rearranged concerning "Claimed Sales"
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Hi there, I was looking through your list of best selling artists and when I came across Katy Perry's I noticed that the figure listed is not up to date. In February of 2017, Universal Music Group held their annual pre-GRAMMY showcase. At the event, they awarded Katy a plaque that certifies her with +40M album sales and +125M track sales, which equates to 165M total record sales. If you could update this figure it would be greatly appreciated. I will provide the source too. Thanks.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/katy-perry-honored-global-sales-042100008.html Itsevren (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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Please could an authorised editor add an image of ABBA to the section '200 million to 249 million sales', in keeping with the rest of this section and article? Gregory 01:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout. I need your help, once I bring a quite reliable source for Pink's 90m claim sales, it was about two years ago. And that source still in archieve. Need your help, How many of her current certification sales? Is it enough to support 90m claim? here the source (http://www.klkntv.com/story/21674082/pink-to) from KLKN. Thanks. Politsi (talk) 04:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout. Need your help, How many of his current certification sales? As I remember He has quite a lot certification and not so far from the limit for 75m claim. Is it possible for him to get back to the list with 75m claim?. Thanks. Politsi (talk) 21:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout, I hope you can help me. Actually How many of his certification sales total? I mean he has the best selling singles of all time. Is it enough to support the 300m claim?. There a lot of recent articles said he has sold 300m records. I'm using a mobile phone now, I will bring the source here once I get to my laptop. Thanks Politsi (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Do either of them have enough certified units to qualify for this list? While I so far haven't been able to find a good solid reference for worldwide records sold, it would be rather surprising if the answer is no given how much prior success they've had. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout, this country singer has an early music career. I think we should let him to enter the list with 80 million claim. I once asking this issue two years ago but you reject my idea since there's a 60m claim for him. But I think if his certification sales closed to cover 80m claim. We should bring him to the list. Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I remove them from the 100m-club because they have a quite short music career, Is that okay Harout?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout. Two years ago her certification sales still not enough to enter the list for 75m claim. Sorry for bothering you, is there any re-certification of her certified sales?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 10:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout, I bring ABBA to the talk page again because I just see this source (http://www.publicnow.com/view/E0827DD9750CA3046007E8CA672F045DAFFD0903?2017-04-03-23:00:57+01:00-xxx1803) from Publicnow which is the largest web disclosure platform collecting, organizing and distributing press releases, company announcements, government statements and corporate news issued by the leading organizations of the world. Inside there is a press release which is said about ABBA's 140 million records. For me personally, I hate the fact that they only have 61 million in certification but they able to join the 200m-club and it's confusing me since we can not allow Eric Clapton to join the list with his 130m records claim but in fact, his certified sales are better than ABBA and begin his music career earlier than ABBA. I think it's time to remove ABBA from the 200m club and put them with 140m claim. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 10:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout, I think we should remove his 600m claim after I considered his certification sales is not so extremely high. And quite far from The Beatles. Let's remove his 600m claim and leave him with only 500m claim, something that we can do also to Michael Jackson when we erase his inflated 400m claim. We can use this new reliable source, need your advise which one is more reliable (http://www.newsweek.com/remembering-elvis-40-years-after-his-death-650506) from Newsweek, or Times of Malta (https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120110/life-features/Pilgrimage-to-the-King-of-Rock.401767). What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
To all editor, I think we should use more variable source in the list. And not only stick to source from Telegraph or CBS News. Please Try to find a source from another broadsheet newspaper around the world and for those who think that The Daily Telegraph is reliable. Then you should read this source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9450131/Singer-Adele-babysits-for-a-strangers-child-at-high-street-cafe.html) Adele's 21 album sold 220 million?, This is a proof that telegraph is an error source and we use telegraph in the list ONLY for temporary. I hope you guys understand that. thanks Politsi (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Neil Diamond was downgraded from a credible claim of 130 million to 100 million based on a reference from an article about a Neil Diamond impersonator that ran in a local paper in a tertiary market. He is about to receive the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Grammys; this claim of 130 million is from NARAS, who may have a better grasp on record sales than a general assignment reporter Michael Martin at the La Crosse Tribune. (Here are a few of the many other sources: The Guardian, NPR from 2010, and People. JSFarman (talk) 00:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
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Britney Spears sold 140m records worldwide according to Billboard Music Awards 2016. She sold additional 3 million records with Glory release and this is all excluding videography that in US alone sold 13m aka 13x platinum. Baby One More Time album is certified 14x platinum and Oops I did it again 10x platinum. You used nielsen for Britney while it doesn't use BMG ArminWooz (talk) 09:49, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
For some time, the article has cited sources that claim Presley has sold a total of 500 or 600 million total units worldwide. Those sources are: Daily Herald of Arlington Heights, The News International of Pakistan, and International Business Times. Hmm. Well, yes, I guess, they do meet WP:V.
I just added four entirely up-to-date sources that state Presley has sold no less than 1 billion units. Those sources are: Rolling Stone, CNN, Agence France-Presse (that's one of the top three press services in the entire world, if you don't happen to be familiar with it), and Guinness World Records. And yet, for some strange reason, Harout72 has a problem. I'm eager to hear exactly what that is. — DCGeist (talk) 06:06, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DCGeist, It will be difficult to argue with some dying hard fans of artists, they are usually always try to make their Idol look the best and even forget the fact. Are you one of those Elvis's dying hard fans?. Yes or no?. Politsi (talk) 07:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DCGeist Read the Definitions on the main page where it says This list uses claimed figures that are closest to artists' available certified units: inflated claimed figures that meet the required certified units amount but are unrealistically high, are not used.. Yes this list for a claimed sales but do you realize that Elvis only has 213 million in certification sales? How come Elvis sold a billion records while his certification only 22% of 1 billion?. Are you understand? can you calculate logical in math way? yes or no?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@Harout72, we need your help. This is serious. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DockIno, we are here not to make some personal issue, we are here to HELP wikipedia show the BEST FACT. It's not about sad or not, it's about reliability. We don't have to make some requirement or certification sales if we only need a statement from some news organization. Politsi (talk) 08:44, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DocKino, we should stop this edit warring. Harout72, I think we should call some administrator patrol to handle this situation, we must kept the list reliable. Politsi (talk) 08:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DocKino and DCGeist, We need some consensus in this situation, we can not straight to change something before the consensus being held. I revert it to the first situation. Need your cooperation. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 09:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DocKino and DCGeist. Is not a guarantee that CNN is a reliable source for sales claim. Let me show all of you that CNN is also make some confusing and unreliable calculation sales claimed for a very famous artists. in June 26, 2009 in the same day, CNN publishing a very far different sales claimed for Michael Jackson. One CNN reporter said Jackson sold 350 million (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson.world/index.html), while another CNN reporter said Jackson sold 750 million (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/michael.jackson.album.sales/). CNN in the same day published that confusing sales claimed. How is that?. This is the evidence that a big news corp like CNN is not a guarantee. We need calculation from their certification sales. Politsi (talk) 10:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Of course, Politsi. But we're not not discussing the certified sales field. We're discussing the claimed sales field. Entirely different. And here CNN is backed up by Agence France-Presse. And by Guinness World Records. And by Rolling Stone. Have I argued that Elvis should be placed above the Beatles in the list? No. I have not. I do believe certified numbers matter most. But there is no question that multiple major news organizations recognize Presley as having sold 1 billion units. That is sufficient in of itself. In addition, for those editors wedded to the "truth", I have provided a link to, yes, an amateur but carefully researched study that should satisfy any objective observer that Presley has by this point certainly sold over 1 billion units. Those are the simple facts. As I suggested before, Politsi, I wish the Mekons were the best-selling band on earth. But we can't always get what we want. — DCGeist (talk) 11:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
We could use some help getting this sorted at Elvis Presley honestly. There have been periodic discussions on the article Talk page about Elvis' sales figures but there is never much satisfaction with the sources available. 88marcus edited the article in good faith but I reverted him (sorry) because he's using a tabloid as the source and removing several existing ones from the Elvis article. But, we need a real fix that gets the proper numbers in there with a high-quality published source. --Laser brain (talk) 18:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@DCGeist and all Elvis Presley's fans. Please read this very carefully and bear in your mind Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources, Fansites are generally not considered reliable and The opinions of a fan site owner or owners are generally not reliable. So don't ever bring any kind of official fans site as your argument in here!. DCGeist, now after I bring you the truth that CNN is also can make some error, and now you say of course? whatever back up on the CNN statement, whether is from by Agence France-Presse or by Guinness World Records or Rolling Stone or CNN reporter. What's different? They are same! from CNN!. And now you are trying lecturing me that we can't always get what we want? what are you thinking!. You are the one and DocKino, another Elvis's fans who's trying to bring that grossly inflated 1 billion claim to this list!. And worst from that, you bring a fans site here!. Harout, me and the main editor are doing our best to bring a fact in here. And we will do it, I WILL revert that inflated 1 billion claim from this list immediately. Politsi (talk) 01:35, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout, is there any possibilities for Blige to enter the list with 75m claim? (https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6897380/mary-j-blige-icm-partners). What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 02:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I Think Phil Collins's 150m claim is also too much, I mean his first charting as solo happens in 1980s also like U2. We put Rod Stewart with 100m claim, although his first charting in 1969 and Stewart has 78 million in certification. While Collins's first charting above 1980 and his certification only around 88 million, so I remove him from 150m club and put him to only 100m claim sales (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2014/10/28/phil-collins-remembers-the-alamo-with-donation-of-artifacts). What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 09:14, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Harout, today I remove them from the 150m club and lowering them to only 140m claim, because I thought they are not charting below 1980s, they are not an old man player and their current certification sales is not that high. The source I use for them is released in 2010, but U2's albums after that year only has a minor impact. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)