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This article is filled with citations that can are verifiable; I propose to remove its NPOV tag. Freechild 16:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm not sure what the above discussion was about. However, under the definitions section, an editor listed a number of issues that arise from ephebiphobia, from sex and pregnancy to changing laws to ensure more rights. I wonder if crime and juvenile delinquency have anything to do with contributing to ephebiphobia? If so, this should be mentioned in the article (e.g., seeing a group of teenagers loitering and fearing they may be planning something as in a string of burglaries or a teen drinking party). [[Briguy52748 14:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)]]
I consider the 'pathological forms' section of this article to be one large bias in favour of teenage misconduct. Desiring to conceal underage pregnancy is at least a strongly practical concern even if you ignore the moral aspects, it is hardly a pathological example of ephebiphobia. I believe you will also find that while distasteful it may seem to those untouched by it, 'coerced' termination is also a practical consideration, since very young motherhood is seldom positive for anyone concerned. A pathological fear or prejudice, it is not. Neither is a real example of a phobia, and I frankly suggest excising the sections explicitly concerning the territory of parents or guardians altogether from this article and reforming it to concern only the social phobia. 81.168.41.125 02:01, 08 August 2006
I don't think you read the whole section through very well.
"by the means of violence, use of terror or threats of any kind."
"vigorously humiliating"
"compulsively or obsessively"
The point is not the activities themselves, all of which in moderation are reasonable, but the taking of them to at times violent extremes.
--Superslash 19:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
A phobia is an irrational fear towards a situation or a specific thing.
Since ageism is not necessarily driven by any irrational fear, it cannot be used to define a phobia of any kind. There is an already existing ageism article.
Ephebiphobia may manifest itself as the things that were listed in the article, even to extremes, but they are not the phobia itself. This is fine, since manifestation of the phobia helps to explain it. The ageism section is redundant, but the previous section seems relevant. Sigehelm 09:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Since the section on ageism is restated in the adultism article, the section should be deleted. Sigehelm 09:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Are you certain the spelling ephebiphobia is correct, instead of ephebophobia? 惑乱 分からん 22:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding any sources which support he bulk of this article. Most of those I've checked just mention the term as a fear of teenagers but don't go into detail. Does anyone know where this stuff came from? -Will Beback 22:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The section "Pathological forms of ephebiphobia" has been POV tagged for awhile now. It is pretty clearly POV, it is certainly unsourced, and in fact it reads like original research, and pretty silly at that, thus I removed it. Taking a look at the section point by point:
Kudos on the many citations added to the article, but this article still makes my spider-sense tingle. This article seems somewhat schizophrenic... The first section describes an anxiety disorder, ephebiphobia, with cites of it as a medical condition. That would mean the person has anxiety symptoms, such as sweating, nausea, choking sensations, etc.
If we replace the term with the definition in the following section, we get:
"...At least one major economist has proposed that sweating-nausea-choking-etc-in-the-presence-of-youth have grave effects on the economic health of nations[15]. A growing number of researchers report that sweating-nausea-choking-etc-in-the-presence-of-youth affects the health of democracy..." (it then starts in on vilification... but people who have (say) aviophobia (fear of flying) don't vilify airplanes or pilots, I don't think, so I'm getting a disconnect here). Anyway, continuing, we get "Many social programs and social critics view sweating-nausea-choking-etc-in-the-presence-of-youth as a condemning force against youth throughout society, particularly when coupled with racism..." Yipes. This doesn't sound like any medical condition I've ever heard of.
Also, a sufferer would (I suppose) be as subject to symptoms of the disorder if in the presence of the kids in the church youth group as when he runs into a pack of edgy-looking kids hanging around the gas station or whatever... if not, the sufferer is not suffering from anxiety induced by youth per se, but by certain types of youth, which is a different thing altogether, is it not?... he may be suffering from mall-rat-o-phobia or whatever.
Granting that there are many cites throughout the article, which is good, still: the last paragraph of the article seems quite a long way off base to me. I mean, hello. In the USA anyway teens are, if anything, overly catered to in the commercial world. It's basically a received fact that advertising and TV programming and the like skew teen even though adults make (and spend) a lot more money than teens. I mean, does anyone think that "Well, the design for this new [insert product here] is OK, but I'm afraid teens are going to want it, can we dowdy it up a little to prevent that?" is a common sentiment. Sheesh.
I'm also having some problems with the citations. This as a cite for "...ephebiphobia is delineated as a type of anxiety disorder that is defined by the abnormal or irrational and persistant fear and/or loathing of teenagers or adolescence"? I'm looking through the cites now, some are good, others less so.
But it seems like this article needs to make up its mind if it's about a psychological phemomena or a sociological one. I've tagged it for now as being self-contradictory. Herostratus 05:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Would this article be better titled "Fear of youth", similar to the article Fear of childbirth, for which the Greek word is "Tokophobia"? Would it be better situated than using either ephebiphobia? - Freechild 22:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved this article from its previous location because of an ongoing conversation on its talk page regarding the disagreement scholars have over what the title of the fear is, and paying attention to Wikipedia:Plain English. - Freechild 06:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The following so-called examples of ephebiphobia in popular culture are interesting, but completely unsubstantiated. None of the following information should be included in the article without a reliable source; let's remember the mantra of no original research. • Freechild'sup? 08:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I am removing the following statement and citation from the article. I have attempted to review the sources via all major newspaper archives and search engines and nothing surfaces - I maintain it is made up. Following is the statement:
Made up. • Freechild'sup? 04:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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Fear of youth is also very prevalent in Japan (the movie Battle Royale was mentioned in another post), and I would assume it occurs in many if not most cultures to one degree or another. This article only talks about American and European attitudes however. On Thermonuclear War (talk) 04:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
A cause of ephebiphobia that is not in the article is teenagers who go out of their way to abuse adults in the community. That includes name-calling, rock-throwing, assaults, etc. Look at the cases where youth set the homeless on fire. Sure, occasional adult bigots do that, but most are under 22 in age. The majority of bullying in society is done by youth. Sure, there is workplace and church bullying engaged in by older people, even senior citizens, but as far as people harassing those who are out alone by themselves, the majority of times it is teenagers. In my community, teens are responsible for most transphobia and most gay bashing. So personal experiences cause a lot of anti-youth prejudices, and should be included in the article as soon as we find sources.72.11.40.181 (talk) 20:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
this should not be deleted. Jake1993811 (talk) 08:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there anyone else (besides me) who thinks that the use of age-based profiling to make the auto insurance premiums of teens and young adults unusually high compared to those of older people is just as suggestive of ephebiphobia as the unfair charging of health insurance premiums based on genotype is of genetic discrimination? To me it definitely is. Just because one is young does not automatically mean that he or she is an irresponsible driver. Thank you. 2602:306:BCA6:AC60:F168:5205:433:E9F8 (talk) 19:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
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