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This is really horrible english, I know. I will ad some pictures to. Can you please check it through for spelling faults Slappis 12:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sd_2.jpg i want to use that picture but it wont show it. How do i do? Slappis 12:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Fixed up the spelling and grammar a little. kurt 06:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I fixed up the article quite a bit, and I'll make sure to edit it even further. Jobjörn 20:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Slappis edited away my sentence "In line with the anarchist thoughts of AFA" and replaced it with "In line with the libertarian thoughts of AFA". This is obviously way wrong, but I'm assuming he meant libertarian socialist thinking. The question now is, should it say anarchist or libertarian socialist? I'm changing it to libertarian socialist in the meantime. Jobjörn 20:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I do believe the proper name of this article would be Antifascistisk Aktion, not Antifascistisk aktion. A rename perhaps? Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 10:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I would prefer either "Antifascistisk aktion" (correct Swedish) or "AntiFascistisk Aktion" (with he initials AFA capitalised). // Liftarn
Hmm. The image (the AFA logo) is not working properly: one may want to see Image talk:Antifascistisk Aktion black.png. Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 15:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
In this diff, Itake accuses me of POV pushing. What I did was merely formatting two references he provided and deleting two others - could someone, such as Itake himself, please explain how that would constitute POV pushing, and furthermore, explain why it was necessary to remove the formatting of the references that were kept? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 01:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
i´d like to change the part about germany, as german antifa groups are also well known for their agitation against police, especially at demonstrations or their public tries to block neo nazi rallys. 4 days ago, 3000 militant antifa activists caused high property damage and injured several neonazis and 82 riot police, using sticks, stones, pipes, bottles, petards, signal rockets and molotov cocktails. That´s normality if neonazis try to march, so i guess it should be mentioned. Unfortunately i´m not sure if my english is good enough, could anybody do that for me?
source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngsk8_j3YCE&feature=player_embedded —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.176.125 (talk) 18:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
These positions are highly opinionated and should be disregarded. A wikipedia article is no place for personal stories and anecdotes without proof. They even contain blatant errors just in these short paragraphs.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.110.1.144 (talk) 19:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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I discovered this blog. It may be added to the trivia section, I think. 83.85.143.141 (talk) 23:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Calling the explicit network structure of Antifa "Platformist" is offensive, absurd, and historically inaccurate. Antifa are not explicitly anarchist and they have existed throughout their modern revival as a completely decentralized informal organization. There is nothing in their structure that can be even remotely characterized as "Platformist." <-- This unsigned comment was made by Dimadick 07:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC), and replaced here by 83.85.143.141 (talk) 12:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
This is not my comment. Dimadick (talk) 08:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
This section seems irrelevant to the article - is there any references that activities of people labelled 'antifa' in the USA are formally related to the German group Antifaschistische Aktion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadramgo (talk • contribs) 16:10, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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I strongly believe Wikipedia is home to many Antifa members and people who dislike President Trump. In my opinion the dangers of Antifa and what they have done to gain that notoriety has not been typed into this article. Also another thing bugs me "Protesters deliberately causing damage were described as members of Antifa, however were generally lone individuals grouped together by loose radical left-wing ideology." is that some attempt to excuse their actions? How would this go down "Protesters deliberately causing damage were described as members of the KKK, however were generally lone individuals grouped together by loose radical right-wing ideology". The fact remains that those "lone individuals" were still members of Antifa..? I think some facts need to be put into this article because this page makes them look like freedom fighters whereas I know personally a large number of them are violent and willing to use violence. ThePlane11 (talk) 20:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry but how did I twisted his words? I typed in the entire conversation from a Youtube video of the interview you fool? Stop talking rubbish, you only want the page to look good for your benefit. Rubbish. ThePlane11 (talk) 22:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
So how is the United States related to Antifaschistische Aktion, I assume you are speaking about the original German group. It's quite odd how Sweden is mentioned there too. No indication to Antifaschistische Aktion whatsoever either, they are both different countries? ThePlane11 (talk) 23:02, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
I find it odd how out of all of the cars, property and the people that were assaulted, only one comment sums it up and even though the comment tries to brush it off as "oh they were lone individuals and basically had no association with the group". Out of the many cases in regard to Antifa there is nothing there. Quite odd ThePlane11 (talk) 23:05, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm give me time. There is nothing there about the violence committed by Antifa and that needs to change. Every kid who opens that page thinks the group are some freedom fighters whereas they are basically on the same level of the KKK or near in regard to violence. You know the power that Wikipedia has and this page is sending out the wrong message. I'm for Trump however take him down the peaceful and democratic way ThePlane11 (talk) 23:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
No problem. My work has already been done by someone else on the Antifa US page and the mention of their use of violence is very clear. Thanks for being patient with me ThePlane11 (talk) 01:56, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antifa
Due to recent edits by respective users we now must discuss how to put this into the article.
Its sourced by the official website of the homeland security department of New Jersey so there is no disputing the validity of the source. Regarding the context, "Anti-fascist groups, or “Antifa,” are a subset of the anarchist movement and focus on issues involving racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism, as well as other perceived injustices." the article is also deliberately titled "Anarchist Extremists: Antifa". Aside from that the source links several incidents where Antifa were involved in violent clashes with right-wing radicals which fits the title of "extremist" quite well.
Here is the proposed edit.
They've been categorized as anarchist extremists by the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness.[1]
Its clear-cut they are being called "anarchist extremists" by New Jersey Homeland Security since that is New Jersey Homeland Security's actual website and the title is what the title is but here we are. May a consensus be built. 70.44.154.16 (talk) 20:36, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
References
previously the article featured an outright hoax claiming that antifa had been added to some kind of official list of terrorist groups. it is important to understand that this hoax is not original to wikipedia, but is part of the "anti-antifa" canon because of a Daily Caller article itself likely drawn from Alex Jones's infowars.com.
well, now the hoax has been removed, but the text still features a highly questionable interpretation. the entire case for including this text is the headline, "Anarchist Extremists: Antifa." there is nowhere in the text any general claim that "antifa are anarchist extremists" or equivalent. it's based entirely on the headline. but look at the format this source uses for its headlines:
ISIS: Continues to Withstand Leadership Losses
Al-Qa’ida: Rise of Hamza Bin Ladin
New Jersey: Family’s Report Thwarts Pressure-Cooker Bomb Plot
in other words "Anarchist Extremists: Antifa" is plausibly read as headlinese, not "categorization [of antifa] as anarchist extremists."
i have other problems with the reliability of the source (anonymous, no methodology, no indication of editorial procedures, literally an agency that answers to one of Donald Trump's most prominent loyalists, etc) and with just the relevance of this information, but i think this shows why it should be removed. or if it must stay it would have to be in some kind of annoying meta-controversy way documenting what the njohsp article actually said and its representation in the media, rather than just echoing a narrative. TiC (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Some of the material on the New Jersey page doesn't even mention violence from Antifa or in one instance even Antifa: "*Beginning in March, the Philadelphia Antifa Chapter used Facebook to encourage followers to disrupt a “Make America Great Again” event in Philadelphia, resulting in over 300 participants. Antifa’s presence resulted in law enforcement shutting down the event early for safety concerns. As of May, a manual on how to form an Antifa group—posted on a well-known Anarchist website in February—had approximately 13,500 views." No mention of violence.
See Talk:Antifa movements#Requested move 19 August 2017 Doug Weller talk 12:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
The first sentence says "Antifaschistische Aktion, Antifascistische Aktie, Antifascist Action or Antifascistisk Aktion — abbreviated as Antifa (German/Dutch/English) or AFA (Scandinavian) — is a far-left, extra-parliamentary, anti-fascist network in Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Australia, Canada, the UK and the United States of America whose stated goal is to "smash fascism in all its forms" and is sourced to a Swedish Antifa website. If you look at [3] it discusses a Swedish national network but doesn't seem to say it's affiliated with any other group. [https://antifa.se/presentation/presentation-2/ This pagf e] says "We are part of an international movement combating fascism and racism all over the world." That's in English so I don't think there's any translation problem. If they are part of a network they'd say so.
The second sentence abandons the 'network' concept and now calls it an 'organisation'.
Then we have "AFA works with other anti-racist groups all over Europe." That's the Swedish group again being used as a source. Yes, the Swedish group called Antifascistisk aktion does indeed work with other groups. But this sentence seems to be about - what? The Swedish group according to the sources, but this article is supposedly about more than the Swedish group. Note: at this point I began to wonder seriously if it actually was. So, I looked at the first edit.[4] Hey, guess what? It's just about the Swedish group. No wonder it uses the Swedish group as a source and about 3/4 of its sources are Swedish.
Can we please get back to the original article about a Swedish group? Doug Weller talk 09:53, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
As I mentioned elsewhere, very WP:BOLD major edits that change the pov of the article to make explicit anti-communist claims about the origin of antifascist groups need consensus before inclusion. Simonm223 (talk) 13:21, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested in the article in the Rote Fahne that announces the establishment of the Antifaschische Aktion on May 26 1932. A scan is available here. I suspect that many people might have difficulties reading a low-quality scan of a page typeset in Fraktur, so I have created transcript of the scan. I'm not quite sure if it is in the public domain yet (Germany yes, I think, US not yet); please ask if you need a copy. Vexations (talk) 18:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Re this edit: I think it is a bad move to replace the full name "Antifaschistische Aktion" so many times and replacing with "Antifa". There's so much confusion about the latter term, and the various groups and movements it is used in relation to, that it would be safer to retain the full proper name of Antifaschistische Aktion most of the times we talk about them. BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
The article says that it was part of the Communist Party but the 1932 poster attacks communism. How come? 82.37.67.151 (talk) 01:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
the three arrows logo is anti-communist (the arrows represent anti-monarchist, anti-fascist, anti-communist); anti-fascist action was founded by the KPD, a communist party. it seems weird to have an anti-communist logo as the main image for this article. this should be changed to just the AFA logo in my opinion, but I'm afraid if I change it someone will start an edit war. thoughts? 69.113.236.26 (talk) 02:37, 17 August 2023 (UTC)