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Reviewer: Resolute (talk · contribs) 20:43, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Will continue review if above concern can be resolved. Regards, Resolute 20:43, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problems with the referencing are largely my fault. I tend to make quite a few errors when I type quickly. I'm not sure exactly what you mean with regards to inconsistent citation styles, but if you're referring to the Autosport articles and the way some have the author name and others do not, that's probably because Autosport introduced a limit on the number of articles you can read. After 30, you have to start paying to access the site.
On the subject of the blogs, the Formula 1 WikiProject has no issue with their use. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the world of Formula 1, but each of these blogs is run by some very respected journalists:
  • Keith Collantine of F1 Fanatic is very well-known, and runs what is perhaps the largest Formula 1 blog on the internet. He's pretty much transcended being a blog to being a news source himself - when this year's Ferrari was launched, Collantine had an article on his site hours before most of the major news outlets. Furthermore, comapre the content of his articles with the articles posted by Autosport, and you'll see that he's very reliable.
  • Adam Cooper is also well-known, with thirty years' experience in Formula 1. He's attended 300 consecutive races, and has contacts all throughout the paddock. That twitter reference you point out as being an RS comes from Cooper.
  • Craig Scarborough of ScarbsF1 is known for his technical articles. He started out as a grassroots blogger, but these days, he contributes to Autosport as one of their technical writers.
  • Like the above journalists, Joe Saward is also known, though I'm very hesitant to use him unless I feel I need a secondary source (I've noticed the page uses Autosport as a reference a lot) because he's had a few problems in the past with letting his personal feelings get in the way of his objective reporting. This is mostly limited to one subject, though, and I avoid referencing anything he writes on the subject (hell, I avoid reading him these days).
  • As for the Cameron Patterson reference, I have honestly no idea who he is. This is the first time I've heard of him, and I was completely unaware that his blog was being used as a reference.
Hope that helps. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I may have to refer this to the RSN, because as you alluded to, I am not familiar at all with the bloggers. All I see is "wordpress", and that raises a red flag. Do some of these guys have a known history in mainstream media that I can use to back them with? Thanks, Resolute 00:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Collantine and Scarborough have regularly appeared on The Flying Lap, a YouTube series in the style of a panel show hosted by Peter Windsor, a journalist and former team principal. Scarborough also contribues to Autosport, a leading motorsport publication, for technical commentary. Joe Saward is known in the paddock, working with David Tremayne; they publish a e-magazine together and have each written several books on the sport. And finally, Adam Cooper works for SPEED TV, though not being American, I don't know what his capacity it. Nevertheless, he's attended 300 races, and has quite a few contacts - many of the stories used as references are ones he has broken first.
Finally, you didn't mention him, but you may also spot references from James Allen's blog as well. Although self-sublished like the others, he was lead commentator for the English-anguage broadcasts of the sport for over six years. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I saw James Allen's site, but the professional nature of it led me to be more concerned about the others. I have, however, requested opinions at the reliable sources noticeboard here. Feel free to add any comments not already made here, and/or to respond to anyone who responds there. As a fair warning though, if it is decided there that these are not RSes per Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, I will fail this nomination. If they feel they can be used, I will continue the review. Thanks, Resolute 23:01, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for letting this lapse. My on-wiki time has generally been limited lately, and has been focused on some rather momentous events in my personal sporting focus/obsession. I got no response at RSN, but a posting to the GAN talk page here did pretty much coincide with my thinking. I'll accept Scarborough, given I view Autosport as a reliable source, and Cooper, since he seems to be all over SpeedTV. Colltaine and Saward I still wonder about. Do you have any RS sources that identify them as acknowledged experts? Resolute 00:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Ok, I don't want to let this hang forever, so I will continue reviewing prose regardless. This may take a bit given the article's size.

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That's it for part one. Resolute 05:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Very well written, especially given the size. I think the main requirement from a prose perspective is to adjust the statements from future or present tense to past. Overall though, I am going to place this nomination on hold. I don't really like the amount of blog coverage (and would recommend minimizing it in future articles), but am leaning toward accepting it in this case. Cheers! Resolute 23:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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