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An anonymous user created a page for a music producer/filmmaker named "The Blue Panther" and another editor moved it to "Blue Panther." All the pages that linked to "Blue Panther" referred to the wrestler so I moved the article about the music producer back to "The Blue Panther" since all the pages that link "The Blue Panther" referred to the producer and the article itself always referred to her as "The Blue Panther." After adding a disambiguation notice at the top of the Blue Panther page, I thought any confusion would be gone but the article has been repeatedly blanked and replaced with a redirect to The "Blue Panther" or simply copied the content of the "The Blue Panther" and pasted it over. On the talk page, I tried to explain my actions but User:far2steep insists that it should be a redirect despite the fact that 13 pages (not counting non-articles and the disambiguation) link to "Blue Panther" and refer to the wrestler, none refer to the producer (only six articles refer to "The Blue Panther", for your information). I doubt that my last comment will be any resolution and this person has called me a "child" and threatened legal action against me. What should I do?--Darren Jowalsen 20:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
User:ContagiousTruth has moved Samoa Joe back to Joe Seanoa, with the reason; "Samoa Joe is a character, Joe Seona is the real name of person the article is about...". I myself am not really worried either way but i thought id bring it to your attention --- Paulley 19:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Recently, someone changed the page to say Hogan held the WCW international title 6 times, which as far I remember was not the case. The title was unified w/ the WCW title in '94 therefore it was the WCW title. So how is it that Hogan held the title 6 times? -- billz015
Malik McMahon has taken it upon his or herself to add mention of a character by name of "Malik McMahon" to every McMahon family article. I've reverted the edits up to 17:48 GMT, but he/she might try and re-insert them, so please be vigilant if you can spare a minute. McPhail 17:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I find it interesting that he claims he's 15 year old but has feuded with The Undertaker among others. Someone is trying to put their own E-fed character into WWE storylines, I'm guessing --NightShade 08:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a problem, and I dunno if this was discussed before, but here it is:
I have been wondering why are some of wrestler's articles are in their real name, when Wikipedia's naming standards state that the most used name (like the ring name) will be used? Does is violate Wikipedia policies?User:Howard the Duck | talk, 04:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
The standard convention is as follows, IIRC:
This is the best compromise between WP:NC, following kayfabe, while having the ability to selectively expose the parts of the business as necessary.
The major debate is on persons such as Amy Dumas or Adam Copeland, where they have best known by a ring name, but have done works under their real name (eg. Lita: It Just Feels Right, Adam Copeland on Edge). Another major debate is on persons such as Monty Sopp, who is known under several notable ring names but whose real name is unfamiliar to the casual fan. kelvSYC 18:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
List of WWE pay-per-view events has been nominated for deletion over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of WWE pay-per-view events. tv316 05:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Could we get the spoiler policy listed on the main project page? As I understand it, you aren't supposed to list the results of tapings if the show hasn't aired on US TV. Killswitch Engage is insisting (see here) that it is his right to list the results since the show has already aired in Canada. I just think it would be good to have an official listing of this policy to point to. Eenu (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to get your opinions on the Interpromotional match page that was just made. Do you guys think that it can be expanded on and be made into a useful article, or is it hopeless and a prime candidate for deletion? tv316 05:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's worth saving, as the term "interpromotional match" to me refers more to a match between two distinct promotions rather than a match between Raw and SD. WWE Brand Extension should cover most of what we need. kelvSYC 07:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I feel one of the projects goals should be to get a free, useable image of every mainstream wrestler, as there are still a few lacking some. (Vampiro and Scott Steiner, for example).Kingfisherswift 18:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
According to his WWE.com profile, his name is spelled Mickie Henson so I haved moved his profile to that name. I have also redirected Mickey Henson, Mickey Hensen, and Mickie Hensen to that location. --JFred 19:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
((Kayfabe disclaimer))
Whats up with this? I found it on the Glen Jacobs article just now. Is it really needed? Most/many articles explain within the body of the article when they are referring to kayfabe or storyline/plot events. And why would it randomly be on that article and not all others? Not that I want it to appear on other articles ...its just so ...random. I don't think we should use it. --Naha|(talk) 20:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Clarity is more important than tidiness. WWE (not "the WWE") may "blend fact and fiction", but Wikipedia does not. If we are writing the articles as though the events described were real, then we must explicitly state at the outset that this is the case, not assume that the reader will realise that the events described are, implicitly, staged. The alternative is to rewrite the articles like this. McPhail 14:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I see it has been updated. In the conversation above, it seemed like McPhail was proposing the disclaimer be placed in every Prowrestling article more or less ..and be placed there indefinitely because the articles will always dipict kayfabe events.
But now it includes an additional clean up section? What will you do when it has been sufficently cleaned up but still feel the article needs a notice at the top so that readers don't get "confused between fact and fiction"? If you are determined on using the kayfabe disclaimer, the cleanup part should be its own seperate template. --Naha|(talk) 01:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
The Title History excludes Hulk Hogan, but List of Number of World Title Reigns and Hogan Article states Hogan won the belt/was the first Champion BionicWilliam 23:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm confused, what's with the blurb that was added to the beginning of this article? From what I understand, he is Jimmy Snuka's adopted son. Also, Snuka (Sr.) is on here under Jimmy Snuka, not his real name of James Reiher, So I think Jr.'s profile should be moved to Jimmy Snuka, Jr. since that's what he is better known as. --JFred 21:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The article for First Blood match either needs to be overhauled or deleted. Believe it or not they took place before the WWF was around and there have been more than two. It either needs to be expanded (a lot) or just trashed all together. The match is already represented in the match types article. I wanted to post it here before just putting it up for delete. Bdve 15:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's something I've been working on: a timeline of the belts during the Invasion era, with colored bars representing promotional affiliation. It's not entirely factually accurate, and there are a few bugs with EasyTimeline, but I'd like to solicit opinions on it. The timeline is the one at the bottom of User:kelvSYC/Timelines. kelvSYC 18:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
The big major one is kayfabe: a belt is indicative of status, so a WCW wrestler having a WWF belt was some indication that the invasion was at least in part successful (remember that WWF was really big on it in the early Invasion). As for the real deal, it's merely a novelty, meant to show the power of the timeline. The timeline by itself is not encyclopedic. It may also act as a limited counter-argument against the "WWF shouldn't lose against WCW" argument, boosting a little bit more of an NPOV into the Invasion articles.
Besides, the timeline does not show the entire Invasion storyline - only the part between Invasion and Survivor Series. So while, say, Test is the last Intercontinental champion on the timeline, Edge is considered to be the last Invasion-era Intercontinental Champion. kelvSYC 20:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
One day after i clean up the Ladder match article all my edits were reverted (see [1]) by an established user, FutureNJGov. Bewildered by this idea that cleaning an article, that had more information on Money in the Bank matches from SmackDown! than info on ladder matches as a whole, was considered vandalism I looked to find his reasoning... "Kayfabe" was his motive.. why?, what had i done, did linking towards the rules of pro wrestling and the spotfest article break some secret rule of wikipedia kayfabe that i didnt know about! or was he just on auto revert and didnt check to see edits? i just dont know--- Paulley 14:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
There are consistently users who upload copyrighted images on professional wrestling related articles. I suggest that those who are actively involved in this project familiarize themselves with the Wikipedia copyright policy. Currently the professional wrestling article and the professional wrestling holds article (and many other related articles) contain copyrighted images which are NOT eligible for fair-use nor have any referencing to actually being press release/promotional photographs. Copyright policy is much more strict than can be expected, and currently, there is considerable copyright violation in the articles related to this project. --Marcus 07:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Why is it deemed a spoiler if someone in Australia sees Smackdown! and adds the result of a match to it before the episode airs in the US? User:Night_Bringer
I was wondering if anyone thinks that Eddie Gurrerro's variation of the chair/belt-shot and Kane & Undertaker's situp could be considered signature moves, since no one else uses them. Or do they have to be actual attacks to count in this regard? If so would it be possible to add a catergory to cover these? User:Night_Bringer
What Wikipedia is not states, "There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such." Wikipedia:External links states, "Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)". With this in mind, I think that all fansites should be deleted from external links. Opinions? McPhail 14:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The pages of the female wrestlers seem to attract a lot of links, e.g. [2]. McPhail 00:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been pondering this for a while and recent edits on the Rey Mysterio article have really got me thinking. What should the logic be when arranging titles in the succession boxes. I think it should be chronological based on first reign with each title either starting at the top with the oldest with the most recent title at the bottom or the oldest at the bottom with the most recent on top. Any opinions?--Darren Jowalsen 23:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the succession boxes are a particularly good idea, to be honest. They convey very little information and take up a lot of space. The Booker Huffman article is dominated by a fairly uninformative list of boxes that only give two pieces of information - who he won the title from, and who he lost it to. They don't tell us when, where, in what type of match, on what show, etc. Compare this to the Bill Goldberg article, where far more information is conveyed in a much smaller space. McPhail 16:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I think spliting the AWA Articles (Belts/Main AWA Page) into AWA (Classic), AWA: Superstars of Wrestling, and move AWA territories article to AWA: Superstars of Wrestling article as a section, and update all title histories thru current day. Since the new AWA is an extension of the old AWA but with a totally new concept (Its actual legality is up to later discussion on this or AWA's talk page) BionicWilliam 02:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of reorganising the King of the Ring article and replacing tournament lists with bracket templates. The only problem is that by the time it's finished, the article is going to end up huge in size. It's going to need seperating but I don't know how should I seperate it as. At the moment, I was thinking of making something along the lines of two articles called King of the Ring results, 1985-1995 and King of the Ring results, 1996-2006 as there's not enough detail for each tournament to have its own article but even that has a problem in the future if a 2007 tournament is held. Any suggestions? --Oakster 17:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it would best to split that article into King of the Ring Tournament brackets, King of the Ring PPV Results Page, all linking from the original page as disambiguate page with an introduction of the situation. I also think the same thing be done with the Royal Rumble Page and maybe the Survivor Series Page since all three PPV have a match/matches (normally) exclusive to them (i.e. there Main Event). BionicWilliam 18:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
An independent wrestler has added a page of himself Ethan de Sade; Ian Walsh, and has added himself to some articles (his contribs). I reverted the changes to the other pages as vanity, as Wikipedia policy is that people should not edit pages of themselves. Google finds some stuff about the guy, but nothing suggests that he'd be notable enough for Wikipedia. So I'm suggesting the page should be added for deletion.
↪Lakes (Talk) 21:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know I reworded a lot of the inactive explainations on the Current WWE roster page. While doing this, I had a thought that we should have a standard for the wording, especially when it comes to injuries. I feel that we should mention the date of injury (or date of surgery if they had it), including type of injury, and total expected ring time to miss. I used this wording when rewording some of the injuries. --JFred 02:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Since the WHC Page restates the same infomation,the belt factoids should be added to the page under the List of Number of World Title Reigns#World Titles in Pro Wrestling section BionicWilliam 03:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
never mind, Moe E changed my thinking (please delete) BionicWilliam 01:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I request the it should be expanded to include an overview about it NWA & WCW History as the NWA/WCW United States Heavywieght Championshipto be more like the WWE Crusierwieght Championship (that also needs more info. BionicWilliam 04:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I haven't been to this talk page in a while. :-D Well, first can someone please look for updated rosters of all of the ones featured on the List of professional wrestlers. It seems all the rosters, except for the WWE and TNA rosters don't get updated often.
Next, can someone look through the unactive/retired wrestlers list and see if any wrestlers mentioned on that page need to be deleted. The last time I came to that page, there was a bunch of red links and now, for the most part, they are filled. Some articles aren't worth having and should be put up on WP:AFD. I went to the first link on the unactive/retired list and found the article Mean Marc Ash. I decided not to put it up on AFD, but to clean it up and rename it. Please everyone, check the pages above for articles that don't need to be here. Moe ε 05:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Bit of a wierd article but it might be worth keeping... though i think the article's name needs to be changed... but i dont know how you could put it... any suggestions --- Paulley 18:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Now, if you may or may not know, any two members of the Spirit Squad may defend the WTTC, which of course is reminiscent of the Freebird rule. Perhaps we should make an article about it? kelvSYC 01:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone keeps putting in unverified info that she is to debut on Raw as Mickie James' bodyguard. I keep removing the info and note that they must show proof, but anon users keep putting it back in. Besides, I think that this info makes no sense. How can someone be a bodyguard to someone of basically the same size, if not heavier? ErikNY 01:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Since it hasn't been posted on WWE.com and SD! hasn't aired yet in the US (to keep to the Title Holder Standard). Wouldn't be simple to make the rule on spoilers to just post whats been posted on WWE.com for WWE and TNA.com for TNA etc. So we eliminate any USA POV from Wikipedia on Wrestling? BionicWilliam 23:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
You can read my thoughts in my User profile. I appreciate all the hard work everyone has put in this project; however, I would much rather see one wiki site devoted to professional wrestling. Hence: www.smashmania.com.
Professional wrestling Deathmatch types I'd merge this into match types or delete it. Its useless even to FMW fans etc. Warmon 00:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I think that the articles for Mike Shane and Todd Shane should be merged with Shane Twins since the individual articles repeat the same info as the Shane Twins article. --JFred 05:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Can everybody be on the watch out on the move articles it seems an anon user doesnt like TNA and repeatedly tries to blank out any and every TNA pic. On occasion this user will replaces TNApics with poor quality WWE versions aswell --- Paulley 09:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been monitoring this guy's contributions here, and pretty much every edit he makes has needed to be reverted. I think he should be blocked indefinately since he doesn't appear to be a positive contributer to Wikipedia. --JFred 18:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I just had to do some cleaning to the slang page from a guy signing everything as G-Unit192 with the IP: 67.176.240.95.
Just something that may need to be watched out for.Bdve 20:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. Trosk and myself have been debating what name the page currently titled Former World Wrestling Entertainment performers (formerly Previous World Wrestling Entertainment roster) should have. I was arguing that previous sounded too time specific, while roster typically denotes something current (though that's not part of the dictionary definition). Also, should the word Current be put back at the beginning of World Wrestling Entertainment roster. --JFred 19:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Or redone if deleted for any other purpose BionicWilliam 01:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
This page has very little info about their WWF history and just about the breakup, I think that should be expanded.
This user is repeatedly adding false info and speculation to several WWE wrestler articles, as well as the WWE roster article. I keep reverting him, but he keeps re-adding the false info. I've been monitoring him here. If someone here has the authority, he needs to be blocked. --JFred 05:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this article needs to be trimmed a little bit, and at least have more info about his WWE career, pre-2005. Burgwerworldz 20:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Could I get any kind of feedback on the revamping I am doing to the World Wrestling Entertainment alumni page? I am making it more of a Table format. Alphabetical order by thier real last name to lessen the confusion and a notes section for a possible reason they left. Thoughts? Moe ε 23:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
remove WCW/ECW only Stars from the alumini page they where not apart of the Invasion (most WCW stars that weren't apart of the Invasion were contracted to AOL/Time Warner not WCW or didn't sign a WWF or WWF Development Contract. Most ECW Stars that weren't apart of Invasion didn't sign a WWF or WWF Development Contract) BionicWilliam 01:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
The Big Stars (Sting,Hogan,Goldberg,Nash,Stiener,Flair) in WCW were contracted to AOL/Time Warner not WCW,that is the reason they didn't take part with Invasion,other wrestlers left WCW before or at buyout since they didn't want to work for the WWF or signed WWF Developement Contracts,ECW wasn't bought it assets where won in a court case by the WWF/WWE a year or 2 after the Invasion happened. (RVD,Lynn,Tazz,Dreamer all came to WWF by there own intitive). Atleast change all WWE refence to them to the WWF since thats what was then known as. BionicWilliam 01:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Update: I am starting to/still am improving on the list and have taken into consideration on what everyone has said.
Darren Jowalsen/JFred: As to how the list will be kept, I have listed in alphabetical order by thier stage name as suggested. I guess to solve the problem of double listing and misinformation, I will have to moniter the page often.
BionicWilliam: As to the WWF/WCW/ECW merger and what happened to thier contracts, it's impossible to tell who was actually contracted to who (big names like Sting contracted to AOL/TIme Warner or WCW dispute). So instead of listing them with superstars that were 100% released from the company without dispute to which company they were contracted with, I have started a seperate section of wrestlers that were released from WCW/ECW that were (supposedly) never really contracted.
Trosk: While a seperate list for recent releases might be more convienent, there are more ways than one on Wikipedia to find out if a wrestler was released. World Wrestling Entertainment roster is constantly updated witht the latest information and if a wrestlers name isn't there anymore, than more than likely you can check the alumni page and see his/her name there. Wrestlers articles are probably up-to-date with the latest. Also many external links can provide the latest information on releases from WWE. In short, a seperate list for the latest releases of unnessecary.
If you have any furthur ideas on how to improve on the page or concerns about my editing. Please respond here. Moe ε 20:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I must admire the extensive work that has been done to ensure every wrestling article is accurate and well-written. These articles have been created similar to other forms of sport and entertainment. However, there is one major flaw. The frequent, non-stop metioning of "this did not really happen in real life", or, as it is called, kayfabe. I myself a devoted mark, which some of you know, I have a problem with this, but even thinking like a smark it troubles me. Any other article on Wikipedia, other than those of professional wrestling, never mention that "this did not really happen in real life". Neither articles on The Simpsons, All in the Family, That 70's Show or even Unan1mous (though, this is up for debate) mention "this did not really happen in real life". So, then, why do we constantly do this in our articles? According to the smarks of the world and the Internet Wrestling Community, it should be common knowledge that wrestling is "fake" or "staged", whatever you prefer to define it as. So, to keep on par with other articles on sports and/or entertainment we should eliminate "this did not really happen in real life", with the exception of current and previous rosters. Please do not scoff at my viewpoint, and throw it out the window, but consider it. Trosk 19:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, after hearing what Bdve had to say, I found that this problem really has no solution for a simple reason: The page for the person is the same for that of the "character" as you call it. This is because that "character" is that person. So, I guess we should leave it as it is. Trosk 19:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking at the Kane article and noticed that the "Championships and Accomplishments" section needs some cleaning up, like adding that box format. I know if I try I'll screw up. Someone should also go around and see if other profiles need that section, or any other, cleaned up. --JFred 21:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
User:JB196, is a person who claims to have compiled move lists for independent wrestling stars over the past three years and submitted them to Obsessed with Wrestling.com ... he claims as he has compiled them he should get credit for any article that has move lists... and first this was for 8 or 9 different wrestlers from very different backgrounds including Chris Sabin, Amazing Red, The S.A.T., John Kronus where he would go on to his name under the move section for each article in brakets... these obviously were reverted... but he persisted...
Almost all of these article already have OWW linked in the references yet he considered this not to be enough... even though on many accounts what OWW had as moves differ from what is in the article (esspecially move descriptions of which OWW has very little)... i have continually have been sending messages and trying to stop his credit rampage. Finding out along the way he has sent him move list not only to OWW but a variaty of Web pages and sources... how can he claim to this beleif that move list are his and his alone is beyond reason... esspecially when it is things like the SAT use the Spanish fly... its a fact they do how can he say that the article should credit him for an obvious fact --- Paulley 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC) --- sorry he is really starting to get on my nerves
Paulley, that's an EXTREMELY bias version of the situation.
"Finding out along the way he has sent him move list not only to OWW but a variaty of Web pages and sources"
False
"what OWW had as moves differ from what is in the article (esspecially move descriptions of which OWW has very little)"
That's not relevent to the argument.
"esspecially when it is things like the SAT use the Spanish fly... its a fact they do how can he say that the article should credit him for an obvious fact"
That's like saying a historian shouldn't be credited with information because it's all fact.
"8 or 9 different wrestlers from very different backgrounds"
So what? -- User:JB196
An anonymous user who uses the IP address 4.38.35.1 continually vandalizes wrestling related pages. He has been blocked several times this month already, but when the block expires, he's right back at it. Just thought I'd let you guys know, as I've already reverted him twice today. --JFred 19:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
McPhail pulled the fan specific stuff from the slang page, and after thinking about it for a minute I decided that I agreed with the decision but I still think the removed items deserve to be mentioned somewhere. Would anyone object (or forsee any objections) to a Professional Wrestling fan slang type page? Bdve 18:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)