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So, it seems like everybody's had their shout on whether non-kayfabe stuff should be inserted into articles (by the way I've started a new section, as no one will probably look at the argument again!!). The result is 4 (For Non-Kayfabe) : 0 (Against Non-Kayfabe) : 6 (Neutral). Right, so no one disagrees, therefore, can we start inserting non-kayfabe things into articles. Also, I was thinking of starting up a type of guideline page on this, maybe under this heading. Should we start inserting some things into articles. I really think we should. Davnel03 12:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated John Cena as a good article after adding at least 60 more citations to it. It took me forever and a day, but honestly, I believe it should be the new standard for us as far as citing our articles, and also so the BLP police will leave us alone. Bmg916SpeakSign 16:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Bmg, you've done a hell of a good job and are a credit to this Project. The standard for our bios has been set. There's only one obstacle I see to FA status - article stability (well, people adding shit to it after every episode of RAW). But given how good the article is now, there's every reason to aggressively target anything and everything that compromises its integrity. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 02:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I placed a "Speedy" delete template on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_European_Rampage but it was contested. I am not sure if the topic deserves an article and it's pretty badly written, although I'm leaning towards maybe that it should be there for a little while longer because it was just created today. But anyway wanted to make users aware. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.138.41.54 (talk) 18:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
I think the outcome is obvious, but somebody has nominate Tuesday in Texas for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tuesday in Texas. TJ Spyke 23:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
For some retarted reason, the official website of TNA Wrestling (tnawrestling.com) has been blacklisted. Am I the only one that realizes how f*cked up it is to have the website of the second largest wrestling organization in North America blacklisted? That means we can't use their site for any article. TJ Spyke 03:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok guys, I'm sorta caught in between sides, I know that the sites that I have blacklisted are good sources, when they are not spammed. Right now because of crosswiki spam by barber I have been forced to blacklist some sites, including tnawrestling. Right now though all sites that have been blacklisted as a result of barber's Joe job have been removed, as we caught him socking. (this includes gerweck.net onlineworldofwrestling.com tnawrestling.com and accelerator3359.com. I'm not too happy about how I've been forced to walk on a tightrope here... but please do realize that I do have wikipedia's and the wikimedia foundations interests in mind when I do things like this. The sites often get blacklisted when a mass group of socks add the sites to a crapload of other language wikipedias. (en, fr, it, it goes on and on), and the only way to effectively stop the attacks are to add these sites to the spam blacklist. I cannot guarantee that I won't be forced to blacklist more wrestling sites, but if any of them do cause this project problems, let me know kindly on my talk page.
Also as a side note, when I did the whitelisting of tnawrestling.com we took a huge, and I mean huge number of barber socks, who went and added that site all in an attempt to get me to remove the site from the whitelist... I did not remove it. (see the meta page for more details). Those in the meta page were not the only socks WP:WPSPAM had to deal with. I am letting you guys know about this sock attack to let you guys know that I'm not only blacklisting links in response to this issue, I'm trying to use all tools at my disposal. You guys might want to drop en:User:Shadowbot and the members of WP:WPSPAM a thank you note for the tremendous job that they did in undoing the bad links, and allowing the good links to get through. —— Eagle101 Need help? 00:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
This article, for lack of a better term, sucks. It either needs to be AfD or get a complete overhaul. Thoughts? Bmg916SpeakSign 15:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
As discussed a little bit above, someone keeps deleting information on the career of Bryan Danielson. I have added it back. Just because there aren't any sources doesn't mean it never happened. See: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules Kris Classic 01:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
My main concern is that while one of these pages have been crippled, another editor will come by and nominate if for deletion (or even put a Speedy Delete tag on it). I have added a ton of references for Danielson, this could be harder for other wrestlers though who aren't as well known as him. What is the point of having the ((verify)) tag if people are just gonna remove the info instead of using it?. TJ Spyke 07:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why IAR doesn't apply. Again, it states that if anything is stopping it from maintaining an article, to ignore all rules, which should be done to add Bryan Danielson's bio information, as he is more then notable. Kris Classic 06:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Why does it need to be separate from this project? Why can't this project govern both sets of articles? It seems to be on the brink of inactivity, only getting a comment every five days or so at the max, and those comments generally not getting a response. It doesn't even have a talk archive yet. It seems like it could easily be absorbed into this project. Peace, -- The Hybrid 06:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, this poster was released yesterday by WWE to the media. I've uploaded it to Wikipedia - however I'm wary about putting it in the article, again because somebody is bound to take it straight out. I've tried to source it, but people may not consider them good sources. Shall I insert it into the article, or wait until it officialy released or what? Infact, surely it already has been released?! Davnel03 11:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Is their any major guidlines for wrestler article names, for instance, some articles use their real life names, but some articles have their wrestler name e.g.
Isn't their any Wikipedia guidlines on this, and if so, doesn't it violate anything? I mean, I believe we should have their real name as the article name for one simple reason, and that is is that wrestlers can, from time to time, change gimmicks and therefore names, but you can't change your name in real life (or it's highly unlikely). Davnel03 14:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I would have to go with real name for me. There is a biographical standard that the naming of the biography is the real name of the person. No other profession on the planet has nicknames that titles them. I don't know why wrestling has to be different! Govvy 20:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Now this page is being vandalized too. Just wanted to bring this to your attention. I suggest adding this to your watchlists also.-- bulletproof 3:16 17:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Could I politely draw attention to Wikipedia:Barnstar and_award proposals/New Proposals#WikiProject Professional Wrestling_Barnstar for comments/votes. Thanks. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 18:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's for the rankings WWE.com does for the wrestlers. I really don't think this needs an article. Also there is Wwe power 25 which seems to be an exact copy of the article. RobJ1981 19:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I refer you to what I stated above. TNA blacklisted :) —— Eagle101 Need help? 00:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I've decided after talk about getting rid of WP:MOW from this talk page (and it's been asked since last November), to merge the two WikiProjects together. All members from WP:MOW has been added to our list and all project banners have been changed. If you want to access the old subpages for that project, you can find links to them on this project's main page. The only part of MOW that remains is the infobox which now refers to the project in the past tense.
While I'm at it, I've noticed that Wikiproject TNA exists with barely any activity. Do you want to get rid of this one too? -- Oakster Talk 15:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
6 members, no discussion going on and the scope of the project is entirely encompassed by our own. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 15:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
It had been tagged as inactive, but I guess one of the members didn't take too kindly to that. That project is unimportant. It is everything that we do. Peace, -- The Hybrid 20:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I've redirected Wikiproject TNA. -- The Hybrid 23:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of putting this page up for deletion for many reasons:
I don't really think this page is needed, Wikipedia is an encylopedia, not a list of superstars on a roster. I wouldn't mind if we had an alumni like page, with each individual wrestler in a table-like format and when they worked with WWE. The current page is subdue to more vandals. Opinions please:- Davnel03 21:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe, but at least it would make it that little more annoying for anyone interesting in spamming!! Govvy 20:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know that the categories for wrestling families is up for deletion. The nomination does mention though for large families, an article might be useful instead (for example, we already have Hart wrestling family and Anoa'i family, while one for the Guerreros could be done). -- Oakster Talk 22:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
A Guerrero one might work if there was enough information to make it more of a clone of existing prose. I don't know if a stub would be worthwhile. An Anderson one could be interesting, being as most of them aren't related and only two are actually named Anderson. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 23:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I just finished up Shelton Benjamin and wanted to say thanks to everyone who is helping step-up in one way or another to help make the drastic improvements WP:PW needs. I realize there are only so many of us compared to hundreds of articles, but thank you to everyone, we're off to an amazing start. Bmg916SpeakSign 13:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Some of you guys might be over doing it. As for results, I prefer it if you used tv.com over OWW. But seriously, you shouldn't need to add that many citation results pages. I feel as long as we just do the PPVs that should be fine. Govvy 20:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely. It sends out a message that pro-wrestling articles aren't a fancruft-ridden, low-class joke but are notable and in the media and public eye. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 21:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
o well, but from my experience, tv.com is more accurate than oww. Govvy 21:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Well OWW is blocked again (or remained blocked, I'm not sure), and I'm not attempting to do much sourcing until this is sorted out. Mshake3 21:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Might anyone be able to find some refs from Eric Bischoff's book or Alvarez/Reynolds' "The Death of WCW"? I've stuck over 60 references in the article but there are a couple of sections that could use more. I'm concerned that using any more from "Sex, Lies and Headlocks" or "WrestleCrap" would make the prose look like it was ripped-off (which it aint). ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 18:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to get page numbers to reference any of the following?
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 22:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
That's great! Thanks a lot for helping me on that one. I appreciate you taking the time to check the book for that info. I'll stick in a few more refs, edit the info and WCW should stand an excellent shot at GA-status (or hopefully better) ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 02:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
With the announcement that all post-WrestleMania 24 events will be joint-branded, is it necessary to list RAW, SmackDown!, and ECW in the infoboxes for subsequent pay-per-views? This is a pretty minor point, for sure, but it seems like it would make more sense to just exclude the brand section from future pay-per-views. Jeff Silvers 02:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Have to agree with that. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 05:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
To me it seems like there has been an adjustment period going on with PPVs and when ECW came to being. I believe this wont always be like this. Because as ECW grows the way it should, the show should have it's own PPVs and enough roster to not need to cross brand. However there will still probably be those cross branding. But the PPVs that belong to SmackDown and belong to Raw will still belong to them. You will know this by the major roster used. If you look at Backlash you will see it is still Raw as it is dominantly the Raw roster. Govvy 10:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Well then, let the dice roll and see what happens! Govvy 14:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Ehhm as long as it doesn't lead to edit-warring ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 13:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
One point I have to make here is that nowhere in the articles so far explains the rationale for why such-and-such event is hosted by such-and-such brand. You'd need to cross-ref a lot of articles to get to the fact that Backlash is the first "minor" cross-brand PPV in a few years (and you'd need a lot of crossrefs to get the rationales behind why a match is scheduled on a card, which I believe is the only way a PPV article can be anywhere near GA-quality). Still, without knowledge of the matches on the Backlash card, we still don't know for a single show whether the undercard (assuming the main events will involve all brands) will feature matches that are predominantly of one brand (eg. Backlash has a mainly-Raw undercard, One Night Stand with a mainly-ECW undercard, No Mercy with a mainly-SD undercard), which would imply that the "old practice" would still be in use (and the cross-brand is just for more star power). Better to leave it the way it is for now until we know of more concrete facts. (Speaking of the cross-brand, does that mean that the Hardys, or maybe just Matt Hardy, is, in kayfabe, entitled to appear on both Raw and SmackDown!?) kelvSYC 18:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, that an edit-war has literally gotten out of hand, and an admin has fully protected the page. I hate to say who it is involved, but RobJ1981 and TJ Spyke are the two involved. Davnel03 10:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This is a term that is used alot by the IWC, esspecially this year. I think an article could be made of this because this happens in WWE almost every week with wrestlers like John Cena and Bobby Lashley. Im pretty sure you will know what this means so i dont need to go into alot of detail now, but if your not sure about this being an article i wouldnt mind creating it so other people can decided if it should be deleted or just re-worded. Don.-.J 20:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
A user has taken to removing all kinds of things from wrestling articles under the flag of WP:A. Technically he's correct in removing some of the stuff, but most of what he's removing is easily sourecable should someone actually try. I was going to personally put some of the stuff back, but after checking out how many he did the task suddenly became way too much. Just wanted to let people know before some information gets lost in the ether because when someone does hit an article to cite it up they skip over something not knowing it's missing.«»bd(talk stalk) 22:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted a couple of the edits, and posted on his talk page. Darrenhusted 23:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Unsourced information about living people violates WP:BLP. Content must be cited by sources which meet WP:A and what I reverted did not meet WP:A. You say that mass deletion is not helpful, but unsourced content which could be libeling a living person is just as unhelpful. Please read WP:BLP closely before making any reverts. Also there is a discussion going on on one of the user talk pages about the challenges of maintaining WP:BLP in wrestler articles and in that discussion a concensus was reached that wrestling articles must abide by the same policies as other articles. Happy editing! Kevin Green342243 23:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
He has agreed to stop, but these articles do need to be sourced soon. The claims that he makes are legitimate. -- The Hybrid 23:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This falls under Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, so mass removing things is against the rules, and will result in notification of an admin. Kris Classic 00:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Mass blanking shouldn't be done like that, what you should say to anyone that has done it, is they must first inform us here on the project talk page before erasing of data from any wrestling article. That would and should be the correct etiquette, so we have a chance to deal with the problem. That is what has been failing, just the simple etiquette from these people to ask us to cite the articles that need it! Govvy 09:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
If Kevin wants to help then he should join the project, or at the very least discuss what is being removed. EG, that Jim Neidhart has a daughter called Nattie, how is that controversial, particularly as she's a wrestler herself. If Kevin was unaware of things that are common sense to most wrestling fans (and project members) then discussion or tagging would have been a better first step, rather than going on a one day editing rampage. Darrenhusted 10:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Pro-Wrestling articles are being singled-out. There's countless articles (many involving very famous people) that aren't properly ref'd. I think these deletions are in bad-faith, using extreme interpretations of policy to back them up. Geez, we've had some guy voting in several wrestling AFD's whose only comment has been "there are too many wrestling articles". I don't find prejudice against somebody else's interests to be acceptable. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 13:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
As ONIH said above, User:Kevin Green342243 (individual that was blanking everything) was blocked as a sockpuppet of User:JB196 aka Jonathan Barber. It might be worth keeping an eye on someone who registers a new account and immediately goes on a delete spree using a degree of policy quoting unlikely for a brand new user. I'm not suggesting biting newcomers or assuming bad faith, just keeping an eye open and bearing history (Wikipedia:Long term abuse/JB196) in mind. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 18:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Shawn Michaels Wrestling facts section is messed up, somebody should fix it. Kris Classic 02:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone in this WikiProject has edited this article, but it seemed like it was proper to place this notice here since the article is at least tangentially related to this WP....
An editor has nominated Amy Crawford (Nitro Girl), an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Crawford (Nitro Girl) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. --After Midnight 0001 18:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I nominated and noted it in our to-do list under articles for deletion (at the top of the page). Thanks for bringing it up though. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 18:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
It's in the "to do" box, but is this something we really want to do? «»bd(talk stalk) 19:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
When putting together the history portion of the article, if the events are in order, you don't have to mention the year (and link it) every time a date is mentioned. For example:
On January 1st, 2007, John Cena lost to Kevin Federline due to interference from Umaga. On January 7th, 2007, Cena defeated Umaga to retain the WWE Championship. On January 8th, 2007 (etc)
I believe this is a result of "weekly play by play" that we're trying to avoid, but it's just one thing we need to avoid and watch out for. Mshake3 22:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone keeps removing the profile for Barry Buchanan. Can anybody post sources so people will stop doing this? Kris Classic 00:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Sources? Done and pasted on the talk page. All this fuss I tell yas MPJ-DK 13:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought: Where are we getting the length of matches for the PPVs? It seems like something that needs to be sourced as you can't get it from simply watching without conducting some original research. Mshake3 00:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Is this article worth keeping? She was a Nitro Girl for a bit, and is currently a country singer (according to the article at least). Is she actually a notable singer worth mentioning here? Some of the other Nitro Girl articles probably should be gone through. Being a dancer for WCW doesn't assert a lot of notability, if that's all they did. Obviously there is exceptions: like Kimberly Page and so on. RobJ1981 01:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you could redirect her info to the Nitro Girls page.(MgTurtle 23:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)).
I've noticed over the past several days of several new editors removing "unsourced" text from wrestling-related biographies under similar reasoning by User:Burntsauce and User:Kevin Green342243. These editors in particular User:Mack Genius (see [3]), User:Tiger White (see [4]), User:Beeseech (see [5]), User:OwnershipTrachea (see [6]), User:FozzyEnemy (see [7]), User:XWC Rasslin (see [8]), User:HojoElite (see [9]), User:Wikido23 (see [10]), User:Last Go Home Pop (see [11]), User:PiratesFanExtreme (see [12]), User:Hawk Lover (see [13]), User:Stellar Accounting (see [14]) and User:Mattiasfool (see [15]), have all made similar edits between April 11-12 shortly after creating their accounts. Should any of these editors be notified of using the ((references)) or ((fact)) templates as an alternative to removing whole content from articles ? From what I've seen, the majority of the unsourced information could easily be verified with a basic search. MadMax 02:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
That would make sense as all of these User's edits take place after the time of User:Kevin Green's last edit (14:54, 11 April 2007). I would assume these changes should be reverted ? Given the number of sockpuppets, I wonder how many changes were missed ? MadMax 04:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's a couple more I was keeping my eye on. User:TheMackSter, User:Automobile Buyer. Both created within 2 hours of the Kevin Green block being placed. Is it classed as WP:ATTACK if I call a serial vandal with numerous sockpuppets "a first-class dickhead"? If it is, then I won't. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 04:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Similarly, several articles have been nominated for deletion and speedy deletion by recently registered editors including Ernest Roeber by User:PennyforaDayMakestheCowsCoo) (see [16]) , Bob Dhue by User:Peas on a Podster (see [17]) and Brady Boone by User:Ken Griffey Fan1351 (see [18]). However, I only mention these editors as the fit the general profile of those already mentioned. Also, this page, specifially this discussion, has been twice vandalized by User:Homeboy Tame ([19]/[20]). MadMax 04:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I reverted a lot of the Kevin blanks, including Buff Bagwell, the blank pretty much turned the article in to a stub, but now a revert war has left the page locked, but locked in a blanked state. Not that I am a massive Marcus Bagwell fan but how can sources be found for information not there. I don't know how to get the lock off so we can source. Darrenhusted 10:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
(The note a user has left him is pretty interesting: In case you were not aware, just wanted to give you a heads up that someone keeps readding the info that you removed from the article despite the information violating WP:BLP, so you may want to revert it or something. PS Same goes for Nick Busick. I think you're doing a great job of violating WP:BLP so I wanted to let you know this. Bristine 01:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC))
By the way, there's lots more sockpuppets... Davnel03 11:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Check out what he says on the SoCalUncensored forum: can a "sockpuppet" can exist if the original user isn't technically banned?... This [22] is the same dude? Check out his claims to being buddies with Tommy Dreamer and Vince [23] or what he "does" on CDs [24]. At least we are not alone in having a problem! ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 12:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm absolutely certain that User:Burntsauce is another sockpuppet (and have some outside evidence). Have reported. It matches what Barber has said he does to wrestling articles. Wipes information, claims NN, goes for speedy delete. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 12:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I also have a feeling that Burtsauce could be a sockpuppet, however he doesn't defend his actions very well nor does he take part in the ethical procedure here. In fact right now you could consider Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Challenges_of_upholding_WP:BLP_policy is talking behind the project back! But anyway, I think if you see anyone removing any data like this, you should warn them correctly stating that if they have any wrestling related articles to bring it up on here instead of erasing data creating more problems. Govvy 12:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Dude, check this link out [25]. Jonathan M***********g Barber giggling about Burntsauce contributing to pages getting locked and blanking articles. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 13:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm highly suspicious of new registrations (and Burntsauce is newish) who move immediately to delete/wipe articles. It is not normal. People join WP because they want to contribute (even if it's offensive vandalism), not because they want to make sure everything is verified. I've also just discovered that an IP user who I'd had a policy chat with (and was going to invite here but kept forgetting) has been banned for 12 months for being Barber as a sockpuppet. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 16:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
It's curious that since JB's socks have been going to the laundrette, User:Burntsauce has suddenly started being a vandalism correcter. Ah well, he's being looked at.ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 18:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
User:Burntsauce has been blocked indef. as a sock of Jonathan Barber. In the interest of WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA, I refuse further comment on the situation. Bmg916SpeakSign 21:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
It will be interesting to see what happens. Since his ban he's tried spam, vandalism and infiltration and failed. Hmmm... maybe his mama will kick him out of her basement and tell him to get a job. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 22:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody else think This is TNA should be deleted? Kris Classic 04:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Well with the recent “Extreme focus” on sourcing in wrestling articles I done quite a bit of work to provide sources for articles I have worked on myself. I’ve not focused on the mainstream wrestlers that tend to get most of the focus, I figured there are plenty of people who work on them.
This is the list of articles I have sourced & referenced recently: The Killer Bees, "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton, Koko B. Ware, Owen Hart, Fishman, Jim Powers, Ray "Hercules" Fernandez, Paul Roma, B. Brian Blair, Scott Norton, Butch Reed, Akio Sato, Samu, Fatu / Rikishi, Gary Albright, The Orient Express, Badd Company, The Young Stallions, Pretty Wonderful, Doom, Power and Glory and The Headshrinkers.
I wonder if there is a way to match the list of articles under WP:PW against articles tagged as unsourced, maybe even sorted by age so that we could start to tackle the articles who have been tagged the longest first?? Perhaps this project should get together a sort of "Task force" to deal with the oldest of these articles?? MPJ-DK 09:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The WM23 talk page has expanded to mammoth proportions due to a discussion about the attendance. The debate rages over whether a figure quoted by Wrestling Observer, which is lower than the WWE figure, should be used. WWE is a publicly traded company and will in about eleven weeks time release its financial data for WM, and even though they exaggerate weight/height figure, and maybe even some attendance figure (WMIII being the most well known), they are the only real reliable source for numbers on this type of thing. Whereas Metzler runs his own website which does not cite sources and on some occasions is proven to be completely wrong. So, is Metzler a source? Discuss. Darrenhusted 11:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Needless to say, looks like my break will be a short one :) SirFozzie 03:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The article is very redundent as the matches for many of the shows are listed twice, in that article and in the general PPV article (Backlash 1999 for example). What's the best way to handle it? I say remove them from the Backlash and Unforgiven matches and keep them on the In Your House page. Mshake3 22:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
There's an edit war going on between Maestro25 and TJ Spyke over what to call a Fatal Four Way Match ("Fatal Four Way" vs "Fatal Four-Way"). Just FYI - I'm still new around here so I'm not quite sure what the next step is. Edwardtang 22:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
So this is similar to the iMPACT/Impact debate. Proper SPAG vs how the company puts it. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 00:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Considering the need for sourcing in wrestling articles is there really any point in going to war over a dang "-"? In the end WHAT DOES IT MATTER? is anyone hurt by the inclusion or exclusion of one little hyphen? Is this really the kind of obsessive detail nerding that WP:PW is all about? MPJ-DK 08:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if anybody knew of any of the early histort of East Coast Wrestling Association? Kris Classic 00:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Before he retired, this user uploaded tons of what we thought were free use images for use in articles, saying that he took them. It has recently been discovered, by Yamla, that he committed massive copyright violations and other such crimes. I suggest that we remove any images that he uploaded from our articles until we can personally verify the copyright status of them. This is a major blow to our image repository, but I guess that this is simply the nature of human society. Peace, -- The Hybrid 01:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently removed a ((prod)) tag from Andrew Brannan, given his article claims he is a former OVW Heavyweight and Tag Team Champion under contract for WWE, however I've been unable to find any references on either he or his Future Shock tag team partner Culum Davidson. Also OVW's title history makes no mention of his tag team or heavyweight championship title reigns, as Kenny Dykstra has never held the heavyweight title and won only the TV championship from Deuce Shade. This seems to look a lot like a hoax, however is there another ringname he might have wrestled under (assuming he isn't listed by his real name) ? MadMax 05:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I've placed a ((hoax)) template until the author, User:Andrew2436, can provide references. MadMax 07:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I see you already have changing "the WWE" to "WWE" on your to-do list. Quite good, since there's no "the" World Wrestling Entertainment.
Similarly, I think any use of "tag team titles" or, even worse, "tag team championships" should be changed to the singular, unless it's a sentence like "the Dudley Boyz were the first team to hold the ECW, WCW, and WWF tag team titles." A sentence like "John Cena and Shawn Michaels lost the tag team titles" is gobbledygook. There is one title in question. What are pluaral are the belts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.7.37.69 (talk • contribs)
Indeed, I think when people use "tag team titles" they are referring to the belts themselves. It is extremely common for people to do that. Wrestlers, promoters, announcers all do it. It'd be good for grammar to correct the articles. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 17:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice that Ladies Professional Wrestling Association is listed on the "Wanted articles" section of the to do list, however it was deleted by an expired prod on Febuary 2007. Should this article be removed from the wanted articles list or will it be recreated/undeleted at some point ? MadMax 06:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Was there enough information in the original article to list it on WP:DRV or would it be better to recreate it from scratch ? MadMax 07:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we should take a second and look at this [31]. Yes, that's right, JB192 (Jonathan Barber) has added something. Burntsauce, well if this doesn't say he's a sockpuppet what does....? People, this is getting seriously out of hand fast, Burntsauce is making malicious claims for no reason (trying to say I'm a sockpuppet). If you want to add anything, go here, oh and here. I think the total of sockpuppets (including rumoured) is nearly at the 200 mark, it's getting out of hand... Davnel03 11:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
So I was blocked for a week because I reverted the edits of a sock, that's interesting MPJ-DK 18:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
the blank, revert & locking issues of Barry Buchanan has been resolved - how? the easiest, most logical and proper way possible: By sourcing the article in question so that the only edits to it from now on will be expanding the article :-) Happy editing & sourcing ya'll MPJ-DK 18:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user claiming to be Smith Hart's son has recently removed information from Smith Hart's article. I've moved his comments to the article's talk page and placed a ((fact)) template concerning the information in question. MadMax 20:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little uncomfortibe when it comes to artices with "personal information" sections. At least with "trivia" sections it's a bit easier to work relavent information into the article. MadMax 22:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
We don't need the article, it could easily go into the Hart family one. Trivia is a tough one because we're not supposed to have them as seperate sections. I guess it comes down to the thinking that if it's trivial then it's not notable. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 22:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
They all seem as trivial as each other (except Bret and Owen), and I can understand keeping Bruce separate because he did at least work for WWF once or twice, but most of the others are not that notable, other than being the son of Stu Hart. Maybe some merging is needed. Darrenhusted 00:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm letting you know that several users are going around and tagging images that have come off WWE.com, but putting that they fail Wikipedia's status, even if they have WWE photo template on them. I uploaded several earlier today, only for have Yamla tag them all, and leave notes on my talkpage. I think Yamla is trying to personally threaten me. Images include:
All of these (as I've said) have come off WWE.com). I'm really stuck, and have no idea of what to do, I've even put the WWE-photo template on them. He's really put me under a lot of pressure. I don't want them to get deleted.
Davnel03. 17:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
All those images are property of wwe.com to highlight the terms and conditions of wwe.com
OWNERSHIP AND RESTRICTIONS ON USE OF MATERIALS All materials contained on this web site are the copyrighted property of WWE and its affiliates and/or our third party licensors. All trademarks, service marks and trade names, including but not limited to the WWE and WWE marks, as well as the names of its superstars, are proprietary to WWE or its affiliates and are protected by state, federal and international trademark laws.
There for, you shouldn't be copying anything off from wwe.com so you should ((db|author)) all of them. Govvy 12:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Given the large amounts of professional wrestlers and related topics frequently nominated either by afd or prod tags, perhaps somesort of <!-- --> message at the head of each article requesting the nominator to notify the PW WikiProject (or at least its author) of its deletion ? MadMax 23:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Article authors should always be notified anyway, there is a bot which usually does it. And the request to notify the author is on AFD templates, maybe not PRODs. Darrenhusted 01:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I only mention it as numerous articles, both notable and non notable, seem to be deleted most often to expired prod tags. Even articles which have been nominated on afd are rarely mentioned on the to do list unless a project member happens to notice it of the main afd page or by other means. MadMax 04:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I've run across numerous articles where profiles from ObssessedWithWrestling.com have either been removed or have had the link replaced with a ((fact)) template. Is the website still blacklisted, and if so, should the latter ((fact)) entries be removed ? Either way, there seems to be a large amount of revisions needed. MadMax 07:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are the majority of the reverted pages, if anyone else wants a head start. MadMax 09:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I seem to remember a user bringing up the idea for a project collaberation a few weeks ago and I was curious if that idea ever when anywhere ? It would seem like a logical idea for some sort of "project of the week" such as providing reliable citations for World Championship Wrestling as User:Suriel1981 brought up awhile ago. Another idea might be taking an averge stub article and rewriting it into at least a B-Class article or even bringing pages like Bret Hart, Ric Flair and others to GA-status ? MadMax 09:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I did think that User:MPJ-DK and I did a fairly decent job of rewriting IWCCW. I'd think that with several other members, almost any page could be brought up to a decent looking article. In particular, pages such as Combat Zone Wrestling or Ladies Professional Wrestling Association come to mind. MadMax 10:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I like the idea, a weekly project that we could focus on, even if people don't know the actual subject that well they can always have a look at it for readability and copyediting MPJ-DK 19:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
So, will a "project of the week" section be added on the project page? Kris Classic 21:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well we need to pick an actual project - it'd be cool if we could get a tag for the talk page that indicated that "This article was a WP:PW project of the week on XX - YY" MPJ-DK 16:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Stick it on the front of the project page and on the to do list as the priority. Darrenhusted 16:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)