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I know this project is more on the functional portion of languages than languages overall but seeing articles like Great Vowel Shift there is some obvious overlap. There's an RFC at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Languages#How_should_languages_be_categorized about suggested categorizations of languages and whether languages should go under the typical establishment/disestablishment categorization as well. Please comment there. Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, this article has been tagged "Notability" since 2008. I am wondering if someone from the project can have a look and decide if the article should be improved or nominated for deletion? K.e.coffman (talk) 08:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I have WP:BOLDly begun to convert the frankly impenetrable Indo-European sound laws to a somewhat more usable state, by splitting the reflex tables into single vs. cluster treatment. I imagine at least final consonants might deserve a table of their own as well. However, the table of clusters for now only shows a few of the more prominent developments, and remains quite unfinished even with respect to these. If anyone's willing and able to help, please feel welcome to do so. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 21:43, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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The article Inflection shows an image of cats labeled gato, gata, gatos, gatas to illustrate gender and number. In the past there has been concern about showing gender as inflection per se (that is, distinct from gender agreement), and about using pink and blue to suggest gender. I made an image that might replace it, but find I lack WP:BOLDness – plus I worry I might have got the Gaelic wrong. Opinions welcome at Talk:Inflection#Gato/gata. Cnilep (talk) 07:58, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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Some members of this WikiProject may want to participate in a discussion I have started. I am proposing that the diaphonemic (cross-dialectal) transcriptions of English that are used across Wikipedia use different bracketing to distinguish them from phonemic transcriptions (i.e., transcriptions using symbols that accurately represent a particular dialect's vowel system).
Currently the two types of transcriptions use single slashes, like /ðɪs/. It seems that the easiest solution would be to use double slashes for diaphonemic transcriptions, like //ðɪs//.
If you have an opinion on what symbols should be used, or if you don't see the need for diaphonemic transcriptions to be visually distinguished from phonemic transcriptions, please post in the thread at Help talk:IPA for English § Marking transcriptions explicitly as diaphonemic. — Eru·tuon 02:11, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
The recently written article Potential word may overlap the scope of Accidental gap. Contributors to this WikiProject are invited to comment at Talk:Potential word#Duplication. Cnilep (talk) 01:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Please contribute to d:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Ethnologue_language_status. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:20, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Please notice that Polemic is up for Afd. I am sure this can be an interesting article! Please also comment on the deletion discussion. Debresser (talk) 10:36, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
There is a move discussion going on at Talk:Meitei language. If you're interested in commenting. Thanks. – ishwar (speak) 23:36, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Currently Barbarism (traditional linguistics) is a redirect to Classical compound; it is tagged as a redirect from an alternative name. I've never heard of classical compounds being named barbarism, though I have heard of e.g. Greek affixes on Latin roots described as barbarisms in the sense currently discussed at Barbarism (modern linguistics).
So, two questions:
If not it's helpful, particularly if it is confusing or misleading, perhaps it should be changed. Note that the outcome of such changes may also bear upon Barbarism (disambiguation) and Abuse of language (disambiguation), which is where I noticed it. Cnilep (talk) 03:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
I've listed Barbarism (traditional linguistics) at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 8. Cnilep (talk) 00:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've written an essay on the problems with WP's syntax coverage and how it can be improved. Please feel free to comment on it (or even edit it - it's only in my userspace because I don't think it'll be interesting to a wide audience)! Kayau (talk · contribs) 16:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
My list of missing topics about languages is updated - Skysmith (talk) 14:09, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I hereby propose a new template to put syntax articles together:
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Please feel free to edit the proposed template. It's still quite a preliminary proposal! :) Kayau (talk · contribs) 07:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Scare-line#WP:Content fork. A permalink is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:32, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
A novice editor has created Bibliography of code-switching. It needs better selection criteria (currently it's "all academic and peer-reviewed works on the topic"), and perhaps other improvements. I'm sure assistance would be appreciated. Cnilep (talk) 03:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Comments from editors with expertise in linguistics would be helpful in this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shintani Tadahiko. – Joe (talk) 09:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I would like to write more sections like this one, but would like experienced editors to opine on this one before I replicate it. I don't think that every letter needs a typography section, mind, but there are some letters that have many different typographic forms and long typographic histories. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 07:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Currently Language education starts, "Language education refers to the process and practice of acquiring a second or foreign language. It primarily is a branch of applied linguistics, however can be considered an interdisciplinary field."
Second-language acquisition starts, It "is the process by which people learn a second language. Second-language acquisition is also the scientific discipline devoted to studying that process. The field of second-language acquisition is a subdiscipline of applied linguistics, but also receives research attention from a variety of other disciplines, such as psychology and education."
Those two passages mean the same thing, don't they? Are these articles actually meant to cover different ideas? If so, their lead sections need to clarify the difference. If not, they should be merged. Cnilep (talk) 06:04, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
FYI, take a look in commons:Commons:Photo challenge/2017 - February - Multilingualism if there is any file you'd like to reuse. Or if you have any file you'd like to upload, that's also welcome.--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:12, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Turkish Language Association#Requested move 31 January 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, SkyWarrior 03:50, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm working on Draft:Cannabis refugees for the 420 Collaboration for WikiProject Cannabis. The earliest attestation I've found of the term is a 2012 mention of "marijuana refugee" is a 2012 NYT article about a "cannabis refugee" who moved from Norway to Netherlands. Is anyone here skilled at finding earliest attestations so I can help suss out when this term appeared? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 23:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
@Numberguy6: has just created two articles: labiodental trill and voiced retroflex lateral fricative and has linked to them from template:IPA consonant chart, to which he added the symbols representing these sounds. Do these sounds occur in any language? I thought our policy (at least an unofficial one) was to wait with creating articles about sounds until it can be proved that they occur in at least one language. This is why voiced uvular affricate redirects to affricate consonant. Mr KEBAB (talk) 23:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
There's another article: bilabial ejective fricative. Mr KEBAB (talk) 23:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
See mainly File:IPA vowel chart.svg, but also File:Cardinal vowels on a vowel chart.svg, File:Primary cardinal vowels on a vowel chart.svg and File:Peripheral and central vowel space.svg. If you think that they're a useful addition to certain articles, don't hesitate and use them. I'm posting them here because I can't think of many articles that would need them, so perhaps you can choose them instead. Mr KEBAB (talk) 14:21, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
You are kindly invited to visit us at WikiProject Mathematics#A linguist would be shocked. In particular I wonder, how strange (or normal) it is, when an adjective extends (rather than narrows) the class of objects. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 05:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I stumbled on the wrestling term "kayfabe" from a link in a Slate article and was surprised to see that the page has no Etymology section. Apparently, it has been the victim or some edit war or other. Given that it is the 70th most popular WikiProject Linguistics article for the most recent period, I think some attention to it is warranted. Already it has been marked as "needs attention" on its talk page, but no doubt everyone's been busy working on other things. Still, if someone could take a look at it and see if it can be improved, that would be most appreciated. Thanks, GentlemanGhost (converse) 03:20, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I'm currently debating CodeCat on whether we should include non-standard regional Dutch dialects on Dutch phonology or not. Anyone wants to join? We're kinda stuck. Mr KEBAB (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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I have started a discussion here (permlink) that is pure linguistics. :) Please join the discussion.--Vito Genovese 13:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, all. Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC: Should the WP:ANDOR guideline be softened to begin with "Avoid unless" wording or similar?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Last month I edited near-close near-front unrounded vowel, near-close near-front rounded vowel and near-close near-back rounded vowel to show that the symbols ⟨ɪ, ʏ, ʊ⟩ are often (well, not in the case of [ʏ], which is a rare vowel anyway) close-mid, not near-close. Looking at their central equivalents (near-close central unrounded vowel vs. close-mid central unrounded vowel and near-close central rounded vowel vs. close-mid central rounded vowel), I'm seriously wondering whether we need four articles for two sets of non-cardinal vowels that are so similar (and you can't even write the near-close ones without diacritics, not with the official IPA) and that don't contrast phonemically in any language. If my proposal is unreasonable, then why don't we create near-open back unrounded vowel and list Danish, Leiden Dutch, Rotterdam Dutch, Estonian, Finnish, Maastrichtian Limburgish and Luxembourgish there? It'd be the same thing.
Let's take a look at near-close central unrounded vowel:
Now close-mid central unrounded vowel: I'll just list languages that are also mentioned above: Munster Irish, Mapudungun and Russian. We also can't be sure whether some of the vowels listed there aren't near-close themselves (some of them aren't, as vowel charts say otherwise).
Now near-close central rounded vowel:
Now close-mid central rounded vowel: I'll just list languages that are also mentioned above: Standard Dutch, New Zealand English, Munster Irish, Standard Eastern Norwegian and Russian. We also can't be sure whether some of the vowels listed there aren't near-close themselves (some of them aren't, as vowel charts say otherwise).
When it comes to the near-close central compressed vowel, close-mid central rounded vowel doesn't have a separate section for a compressed vowel, so we can move it just like that.
As you can see, this is hardly controversial or problematic to do. In notes, we can just write "near-close" wherever the source specifies the height as such, and in the lede of close-mid central rounded vowel, we can describe the situation with Russian, which has both close-mid and near-close vowels as allophones. Also, directly above the table, we can write a note that says that some of the vowels may be near-close despite the lack of a note that says so.
Unless someone disagrees, I'll do the merging in a few days. Mr KEBAB (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
The same applies to near-close near-back unrounded vowel, which should be merged with close-mid back unrounded vowel. Mr KEBAB (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are requested at Talk:Democrat Party (epithet) regarding the reliability of a specific source (§ Lyman) for supporting a claim that Democrat Party was used in a non-derogatory fashion by Democratic Party members in Maryland, U.S.A. during the early 20th century. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
A subject-matter expert may want to check Southern Baltoidic languages, apparently created by blocked User:Wikinger evading his block. I'm tempted to simply speedily delete it given Wikinger's language-based shenanigans and will likely do so if I don't hear back here (ping me if I have deleted it and you want it reinstated). Huon (talk) 18:28, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Your input is appreciated. Laurdecl talk 09:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Citation overkill#Citations. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Citation overkill#Should this essay be changed to encourage more citations?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:36, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
There's a proposal by an IP at Template talk:IPA consonant chart#Proposal: order rows by sonority which I think some of you might be interested to give an opinion on. Nardog (talk) 06:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment on parenthetical information in first sentence. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Colloquialism#Recent move of article. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
There is an ongoing Request for Comment about the introduction to the article Whataboutism.
You may comment if you wish, at Talk:Whataboutism#RfC:_Introduction_to_the_subject. Sagecandor (talk) 17:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Can someone with more IPA experience look over the edits of user LoveVanPersie. They are making changes to a lot of Spanish IPA entries. I believe they are trying to go for a more detailed approach (allophones?) but it is beyond my understanding. Thanks! — nihlus kryik (talk) 11:21, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
We really have to do something about the major issues in this article. And so ends this wordplay part of the request. This article has significant issues. So much so that I keep thinking that it should be PROD, just to attract attention to it.
I can help with style and structure, and some substantive content, but I'm not formally trained. What's needed is those who have studied the topic who can assess the validity of the content. I have decent research skills, and typically I'm able to run down and verify some claim even if I'm not familiar with the topic. No such luck here. I don't know if the article is just that poorly written, or the topic is just too obscure, or perhaps I'm just getting old, but my efforts were in vain.
Thanks everyone for all your contributions. Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 08:19, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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This may be of interest: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#RfC 2: Specific proposal to revise the third bullet of MOS:JOBTITLES.
The goal is to adjust MOS:JOBTITLES in a way that provides an easy "rule" for capitalization that is a compromise between the conflicting linguistics and philosophy approaches to the proper name concept. Please keep in mind that the discussion is about finding a way to end years of editorial dispute, not perpetuate it by forcefully advancing one's (or one's profession's) preferred ideal. I.e., no WP:TRUTH or WP:GREATWRONGS should be injected. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I... find it very odd that we don't appear to have an article on languagelessness in humans. Is there a different more specific title that I'm missing? GMGtalk 17:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I've listed Lilias Armstrong (early 20th century British phonetician) for a peer review and would appreciate any feedback. Thanks in advance! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Lilias_Armstrong/archive1
Umimmak (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Dear editors: Here's an article which is sourced to a YouTube video and an article which doesn't mention the subject. Is this an accepted linguistics term? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:44, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi - I was wondering what the rule was on language trees. I have a student (Caitlyn3) that has uploaded an image of a tree (File:Khoe Kwadi Ts'ixa Tree.png) from a PhD thesis and right now it's tagged for deletion because it doesn't have a license on it. I'd like for her to re-do it because this image isn't the best version and an image has accessibility issues, but I don't know we can post language trees someone else has created, even if we make our own version of it. Is it OK for her to do this? Also, what is the best program to do this with? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:13, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Wanting to find out something about John Algeo, I arrived at the article John Algeo. It's terrible. I have made it very slightly less so, I hope -- but it's still terrible. Is there nobody here from the Uni of Georgia, or with Algeo-related interests/knowledge?
(For me, Algeo is the (co-) author of "Among the new words" and of one of the very few books about differences between US and British English that aren't mere collections of trivia. But I notice that there's plenty more by him that's [legally] downloadable free of charge.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Please see: Template talk:Lang#Parameter to selectively disable auto-italics in the Lang-xx templates
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 07:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
I just created the page Kurdish phonology and would appreciate experts looking at the page and perhaps write here if the page is too confusing (or messy), or whether something is missing. Thank you. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Hokkien#Quanzhang confusion.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 05:31, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
The analytic language article claims Bulgarian and Macedonian as analytic languages, which seems dubious because they still have heavy inflection for their nouns. So I wonder if there is a reliable source for this claim.-- Beneficii (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
The rhotic consonant article makes the following claim, which would be interesting if true, but it's uncited:
Anyone find a reliable source for this?--Beneficii (talk) 20:21, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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At WP:MOSCAPS#All caps, we have:
Certain words may be written with all capitals or small capitals. Examples include: ... In linguistics and philology, interlinear glossing of grammatical morphemes (as opposed to lexical morphemes), and transcription of logograms (as opposed to phonograms)
However, grammatical morpheme and lexical morpheme are redlinks, and Morpheme doesn't cover these terms. There is Morphology (linguistics)#Lexical morphology, but the whole "section" is one sentence (though much of the first half of the article is about lexemes, so the section heading may be misplaced or superflous. Morphology has changed a lot ("nanosyntax"?) since my university days, so I'm not sure how to repair either Morpheme and Morphology (linguistics), or MOS:CAPS to make sense in this regard. Is there simply a better way to explain linguistic use of ALLCAPS in interlinear glosses? Is "grammatical morphology" an imprecise term for Morphology (linguistics)#Morpheme-based morphology? Or is this "grammatical" versus "lexical" split a differently-worded take on Morphology (linguistics)#Inflection vs. word formation? My inability to "just fix it" is a little embarrassing given my minor in linguistics, but it's been a long time and I never was really much into the morphology side to begin with. PS: Should all-caps and small-caps styles be considered interchangeable for this purpose. PPS: Can anyone construct a concise example, or point to an exemplary one already in an article? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 10:44, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
In glosses, the translations of lexical items are presented in lower case roman type, while glosses of grammatical information are presented in small capitals.or Macaulay's Surviving Linguistics
Put glosses of grammatical morphemes into a font which contrasts some way with the font used for glosses which translate lexical morphemes. In the examples above, I've used small capitals for the grammatical morphemes. Others just capitalize the first letter of the gloss, or capitalize the entire word.
One last clarification on this part: There's an old instruction in there that "Transcription of logograms (as opposed to phonograms) can also be done with small caps or all caps." What applicability could this have here? I don't see this used in Wikipedia anywhere; all the direct representations of logograms are given "as they are" (樂) with the appropriate ((lang|zh))
or whatever markup (and many logogrammatic languages have no upper/lower case system, at least not in Unicode); Romanized transcriptions are given in italics (yuè); and English glosses [canonically] in single quotes ('music'). In actual practice, much of all three forms of markup is missing or wrong (e.g. double quotes on English glosses, and so forth). This was true at Logogram, which I just overhauled (other than things like yuè are not marked up as ((lang|zh-[something here]|yuè))
; I don't know the particulars of such stuff for Chinese).
Anyway, the mystery reference to logograms in the MoS wording has been commented out for now. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 08:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Found a hint at Dingir: "By Assyriological convention, capitals identify a cuneiform sign used as a word, while the phonemic value of a sign in a given context is given in lower case." But there's no source for this. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:10, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Source: "Never put logograms in capitals: only uninterpreted sign names, and complex signs are in upper case [8]", which is not quite the same statement. And this appears to be a set of instructions for a special form of encoding, not for writing natural-language linguistic prose that includes some cuneiform. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Another, saying something related but different: 'If the letters that make up the transliteration are written in upper case, e.g., “PA” ..., then the transliteration merely refers to or represents the cuneiform sign without making any claim about how the sign is pronounced. Letters in lower case, e.g., “pa” ..., presuppose a phonetic interpretation on the part of the modern text editor.' [9]
Blatantly conflicting convention: "Akkadian words are given in italics, with logograms set in small capitals" [10], and "Transliterations: ... texts are set with Sumerian logograms in small capitals and Akkadian words in italics; unknown readings are given in large capitals." [11]
A third system, encountered in several works: "[D]ifferent formats are used to distinguish between Hittite words, Sumerograms, and Akkadograms ... [E]verything Hittite is lower case .... Sumerograms are given in roman capitals (in this book in small capitals: EN) .... Akkadograms are also capitalized but italicized ...."[12].
So, this is messy. I'm suspecting that similar conventions exist for other specialized areas of study; this stuff can probably just be an example in a footnote, to a line item that, in some wording, says something to the effect of "In particular linguistic subfields, like Assyriology[fn1], there are special conventions for the use of all caps and sometimes small caps. When the convention is not distinguishing between all and small caps, normalize to small caps to be easier on readers' eyes. Regardless, use a consistent style throughout an article." Does that seem like a reasonable approach? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
New York Times article [14]. Short version: Kazakh is being romanized by 2025, away from Cyrillic. The plan has been to use diacritics, as in Turkish. The dictatorial president of Kazakhstan is trying to force this to instead be done with an F-load of apostrophes, which would interfere with things like search engines and generally make the language unreadable. There seems to be roughly 70% opposition to the idea, but he's powerful and may get his way unless he kicks the bucket in the interim. A short video lays out the issue (and you don't need to know the language to follow it) [15].
We should probably cover this at the article Kazakh language, and possibly also in summary at Kazakhstan, Kazakhs, and Nursultan Nazarbayev. It may also have implications for how we render Kazakh names in Latin transliteration on Wikipedia. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 19:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
References
I've made a request at at WP:Bot requests#Tag talk pages of articles about English with Template:WikiProject English language to have the articles within the project scope bot-tagged, since doing it by had or even with AWB might be an enormous amount of effort. I'm not sure if BOTREQ requires a showing of support before action is taken to implement a bot, but I get the sense that this might be the case. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
We've now got a template for formatting interlinear glosses: ((interlinear)). At this stage, it will be really helpful to receive some feedback on its overall structure, like the parameters used or the various default behaviours (for example with respect to the presence of free translations, or the formatting of glossing abbreviations). All these things will be difficult to change once the template becomes more widely used. Your input is welcome at Template talk: interlinear. Bug reports or feature requests will be appreciated as well. – Uanfala (talk) 17:53, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Input at Talk:Beijing dialect#Comparison of Beijing Mandarin and Beijing dialect would be appreciated. – Joe (talk) 17:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
A user added alternative pronunciation of a separate syllable next to IPA in opening sentence of Israel (changed from "Israel (/ˈɪzreɪəl/)" to "Israel (/ˈɪzriəl, -reɪ-/)"). I'm not sure this is how it works. The discussion is at Talk:Israel#Pronunciation. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 11:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I am a WikiGnome, and perhaps waste too much of my life fixing links to DAB pages. I have collected links to several linguistics-related articles which contain ((disambiguation needed)) tags and which I dare not try to fix. Can any of you experts help resolve these problems? Search for "disam" in the articles listed below. If you solve a problem, take off the tag and post ((done)) here.
There may be another dozen or so links like these, which I will find during my rounds, and which I hope you experts can fix. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:45, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I have started Draft:Comparison, and in the course of expanding it found that Comparison (grammar) is in poor shape as far as sourcing goes. Any help improving these would be appreciated. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:13, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Okay, so perhaps this is not the appropriate place to ask this, but I am asking anyway. My brother recently "discovered" a rule in English. I am wondering if this is commonly known thing. It goes like this:
Just for the record my brother is a mathematician and economist, but since our mother passed away he has had to pick up the mantle of family grammarian. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 05:59, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone look at the recent edits to the article Dakhini? There is a "The Legend" section with poetic descriptions, population of "Kafir" speakers and other changes that seem problematic to me. utcursch | talk 16:44, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
There's a thread on Administrators' Noticeboard concerning LoveVanPersie's disruptions. He's posted over 50 incorrect transcriptions in the last 4 months. Please join the discussion if you have anything to contribute. Thank you. Mr KEBAB (talk) 02:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
I think there is a mistake on the "Affect (linguistics)" page, in the section where it discusses Korean.
Specifically, where it says:
There are two problems. First, the "–잖아" (–jana) ending is used to indicate something the speaker thinks the listener is (or should be) aware of already[1][2], not as a tag question (as the original writer seems to have intended). Second, the adjective "맛있다" (masitda) means the food is delicious, not that it is not. (I think the original writer meant to use "맛없다" (mateopda) which would mean "not delicious"). So the meaning of what the original writer wrote is actually "It is delicious, you know." To say, "It's delicious, no?" (a tag question seeking confirmation), it should be "맛있지?" (masitji) because "–지" is the ending used in Korean for that purpose.[3][4]
Additionally, the Romanization the original writer used is confusing. I've put corrections below:
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At Talk:Gay lisp, we need some opinions on what to title the article. One recent move discussion section was made before I made this one. The article is likely to go through a WP:Requested moves discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
See Template talk:Native name#A link to a DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I have collected several more linguistics-related articles, all about technical issues, which have been tagged ((disambiguation needed)) and where the ambiguous link needs expert attention. Search for "disam" (ignoring any hatnote); and if you fix a problem, take the dab tag off and mark it here as ((done)).
Thanks in advance. Narky Blert (talk) 22:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
This is an invitation to check out a new WikiProject, WP:Folklore. As folklore studies and linguistics grew from the same academic soil, so to speak, and historical linguistics plays a major role in folklore studies, chances are members will find this WikiProject interesting. :bloodofox: (talk) 17:06, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Unless someone objects, I'm planning on removing the "near-front" label and the centralized/retracted diacritic from the following pages:
The reasons for that are quite simple: most sources describe them as near-front rather than truly front, it's understood that many vowels we list on Wikipedia aren't exactly the same as the corresponding cardinal vowels (and it's also controversial whether the cardinal [y, ø, œ, ɶ] are actually truly front - acoustically, they aren't) and labelling only some (probably most of them to be accurate) vowels as near-front introduces unwanted discrepancies.
For instance, on close front rounded vowel, we list Standard Danish, Standard Dutch, Standard German, Limburgish, Saterland Frisian and Urban East Norwegian as having a near-front vowel, yet we list Afrikaans, the Antwerpian accent of Dutch, many accents of German (see the article), Faroese, Low German, Luxembourgish, the Kerkrade dialect of Ripuarian, Central Standard Swedish and West Frisian as having a front vowel (or at least we don't say it's near-front). It suggests a false distinction, and it's especially bad in the case of Standard Dutch vs. Standard Antwerpian Dutch and Standard German vs. accents of German. I understand that the lack of the near-front label doesn't automatically mean that the vowel is fully front, but I still don't like the discrepancy. We already say on top of the page that acoustically it is a close front-central rounded vowel and, IMO, that should be enough. The front vs. near-front distinction seems to be rather meaningless for front rounded vowels, the only relevant distinction is front vs. central.
I didn't list near-close near-front rounded vowel as it's already good enough in my view. Mr KEBAB (talk) 06:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per no objections below. However, I am only closing the portion of the discussion that's related to moves. Merges and other changes are outside the scope of a WP:RM close. Dekimasuよ! 18:59, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello again. To expand upon my latest proposal (which has been successfuly implemented), I propose the following:
1. Renaming of the following pages:
The articles on [ɪ] and [ʊ] cover both centralized and fully peripheral vowels, whereas the articles on [ʏ] and [ɯ̽] cover only the centralized ones (as expected). [ʏ] is also not special among front rounded vowels in that it's "near-front" because basically all front rounded vowels are like that. Plus, only the article on [ɯ̽] covers only what its name says it covers. Thus, in these cases the names are overly precise and exclusive. Front and back also don't mean only fully front and only fully back and so they're more inclusive labels.
Also, many articles on vowels that only have front and back in their name list both fully peripheral and centralized vowels. This includes all articles on unrounded front and rounded back vowels. Mr KEBAB (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
2. Merging of the following pages per WP:UNDUE and/or WP:TOOSOON:
No language contrasts a near-front vowel with a fully front and a central of the same height and length, nor there is a language that contrasts a near-back vowel with a central and a fully back one of the same height and length (see the SOWL - even languages that contrast front, central and back vowels of the same height and length are rare!). Near-front vowel and near-back vowel are also of little actual substance. Near-front and near-back are nothing more than narrow phonetic descriptions of certain vowels. Mr KEBAB (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
3. Making several changes to our IPA charts to make them closer to the official IPA chart:
This is pretty much self-explanatory.
EDIT: We should also remove Template:Near-front vowel, Template:Near-back vowel, Category:Near-front vowels and Category:Near-back vowels. Mr KEBAB (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
We need input from more users to implement this proposal, so other opinions are welcome. Mr KEBAB (talk) 08:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
I've WP:BOLDLY moved the near-close front and back vowels to more peripheral positions on vowel charts. Mr KEBAB (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I think we can move the pages per Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Determining consensus. Mr KEBAB (talk) 10:13, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
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