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I am tinkering with the Chrysler New Yorker page and may need some assistance in the 1960s section particularly in gathering information. --Ace Darville (talk) 21:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed that User:Thumperward modified the Template:Infobox Automobile design. I can't see any evidence of a discussion. Should we revert? In know this is opinion, but the old design looked much nicer. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I had a quick hunt around, and I think the discussion happened at a much higher level (by "higher", I only mean hierarchically speaking); from the oldest discussion on the Template talk:Infobox page back in January, it looks like a decision was made on the en-Wiki mailing list to try and standardize infobox code, in the same way that has already been done with navboxes. If you look at Thumperward's template edit history, that's what he seems to be doing. He's also edited other automotive templates for the same reason: ((Infobox Automobile generation)), ((Infobox Automobile platform)), ((Infobox Automobile engine)), etc. Also, the other edits he made to the auto infobox code seem to have shrunk it in half (from 3655 to 1500 bytes); that'll do wonders for transclusion performance.
In such circumstances the onus is probably on us to show why we can't follow a standard layout. Nevertheless, looking at his edit summaries I think he'd be amenable to reverting some stylistic changes if you leave a message on his talk page. Personally though, I think that sticking to a default layout is wise; it makes the learning curve for editors a little bit less steep if they don't need to keep adapting to the idiosyncracies of individual WikiProjects. --DeLarge (talk) 10:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
What has changed cant see any differencies? --— Typ932T | C 11:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Just go to any car article (Holden Commodore for example)—the style is definitely different to what it was before. Anyway, thank you DeLarge for your reply. I was not aware of any such discussion, since no mention was made in the edit summary/talk page et cetera. Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 00:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Can the colored box around the title be put back? It looks odd with the title just floating there. --Sable232 (talk) 15:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I certainly do agree with Sable232. PrinceGloria (talk) 16:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Infiniti G20 - input requested
Now that the controversy over the Infiniti G20 article has had over a year to die down, I'd like to reopen discussion about the revised page. Is the new layout consistent with Wikipedia standards? Does the article follow the standards in general? Should any information be added or removed? What needs to be done to bring the page up to the point where it has a chance to be voted as a GA? Thanks! Thefultonhow (talk) 18:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that the information under headings "Equipment", "Engine", and "Transmission" should be relocated under "First generation (P10, 1991-1996)", with the infoboxes assigned to the particular generation headings, so that the appearance is consistent with other pages. The performance modification section can be placed towards the bottom as its own section. This could be done, without any loss of information in about 5 minutes. I don't recommend deleting any information from what I've read. (Regushee (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC))
I'm sorry, but I don't think this layout works. The P10 section is now very top-heavy and contains a sizable amount of information applicable to both generations. Could you please provide me with examples of articles that put this layout to better use? Thefultonhow (talk) 07:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
What counts as a Reliable Source in auto coverage?
I am planning to do some work on the Kia_Mohave/Borrego page, and I want to ask first about which sources are considered reliable by this WikiProject. Here are my sources under consideration:
Please let me know which of these is appropriate, or let me know if they all may work.
Note: I am also thinking the article should be simply "Kia Borrego" as this is the name of the vehicle as released in the U.S. Thoughts? NMS Bill (talk) 16:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't realize we had so many different ones. I would agree that most, if not all, of these should be merged. I'm not sure if roadster is the best article for the merge target, as that implies a light 2-seater. My first thought would be convertible as the merge target, as that seems more generic, but there is also the issue of cars which can't "convert" back and forth. Perhaps there should be an article with a more generic term that all of them could be merged into? Nothing is coming to mind right away though... swaq 20:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree. These should definitely be merged. If they had to all go into one article, I'd say convertible, but I'd want to see convertible and roadster have their own articles since there is a difference with convertible being 4-seat and roadster being 2-seat. roguegeek (talk·cont) 20:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree. FYI, Chrysler classifies the Crossfire as a roadster as well. I really wish there was one place to get proper designations for car classes. It's frustrating how all manufacturers are trying to be unique by marketing a new class of vehicle, BMW being a major one I can think of, but I digress. Yeah, just group them all into convertible for simplification. It works just fine like that. roguegeek (talk·cont) 21:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you could clarify your goals for me? This is where I'm having problems with your proposal: none of these is a subset of roadster... all of them are a subset of "convertible." The Convertible and Retractable hardtop articles are both substantive with 13 references each. The Convertible article has a Variations section that defines each of your sub-sets already... what possibly would a new article cover? How would the combined article result in better "flow" and increase content?
Perhaps the Convertible article could be restructured incrementally to highlight and clarify the variations sooner in the article?
I'm just saying. 842U (talk) 21:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
The WP:AIR project has drafted some notability proposals that have not had a lot of discussion but are generally followed. One of the concerns that came up in actually implementing these guidelines was that they were too specific. I was considering whether or not it would make sense to have a unified transport notability guideline, since planes, trains, and automobiles have similar boundaries for notability (i.e. notability of broad types, individually notable vehicles, etc...).
Does this project have any notability rules that could be rolled into making a unified "notability for vehicles guideline?" Would this kind of guideline be helpful or appropriate? SDY (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Updating and expanding Kia Borrego/Mohave page
I've posted a comment over on the Kia Borrego/Mohave talk page asking for community input on planned changes. I've already made a few, mostly adding sections. I must be very careful, because I have a COI issue with the page. I believe I can make neutral, constructive edits, but before I go much further, I wanted to check with this WikiProject. Questions or comments? NMS Bill (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Death race?
In an effort to prevent an edit war, can somebody look at this, this, & this, as opposed to this? I'd call the first 3 vandalism, never mind the edit summary (which I find offensive). TREKphilerhit me ♠ 10:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
On the subject of the glossary, l'd add it's not usual even in the magazines for the terms to ever be explicitly defined; they're in such wide usage, it's usually presumed the readership knows what they mean, which demands either omission, which isn't helpful here, or OR, which is frowned on... So which is the better, in such cases? (BTW, it's precisely because they're rarely defined I put them in; sourcing a definition could take rather a long time, absent OR...) TREKphilerhit me ♠ 18:03 & 18:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
After a genuine effort to discover just what complaints Zerocannon had, exactly, with the included material, the response was "You know what, fuck you, go revert my edit. This is more pointless than talking to a brickwall." And I still have no idea what, exactly, was the beef with them in the first place. And just to be clear, it's the removal of the pictures I don't get.
This appears to be more in the same vein. And this appears typical of his approach. TREKphilerhit me ♠ 17:17, 17:44, & 17:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The edit to rice burner had a reasonable explanation; insulting an IP for vandalism is childish, but that edit was from almost a year ago. As for the latest outburst, it will be dealt with in the manner explained on the talk page. There's a reason why no one from the project has jumped in yet... ˉˉanetode╦╩ 21:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
<--I didn't look too carefully at the dates, just took a glance at contribs & spotted those. TREKphilerhit me ♠ 21:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I am using the CSS rule table-layout:fixed to 1) remove the messy width definitions from all columns (except the leftmost), and 2) makes all columns the exact same width (again, except the leftmost).
And yes, I’m using nested tables. But that is because the content of this navbox is tabular content (year vs car type).
Not all templates might easily be re-implemented this way, but most could. I would happily to all the work if enough of you applaud the proposal, and if few enough complain loudly :-)
Looks very clean, I like it. swaq 15:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
So do I. Only thing I would change would be to make the lines bigger so it's easier to see the different years since the line color and production year color are fairly close. Also, the Blackwood may be a little confusing since it's both in and out of the production year. Is there any way you can get the 2009 MKS to not stick out of the table? It looks sloppy with all of the other names neatly arranged. Just some suggestions, but I like it a lot.--Flash176 (talk) 16:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
It's clean, but my problem is longer names would have problems fitting in the spaces (in your very own example, the Blackwood name doesn't fit in its space), which is what contributes to the messy column sizes. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 17:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks nice, the Blackwood should have two year production space 2001-2002 --— Typ932T | C 19:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. Let me itemize my comments:
The table cell border color and the “car table cell” background color are very similar. I’ll try to come up with a revised color scheme – and maybe widening the borders from 1 to 2 pixel, if possible. (UPDATE: See the 2nd and 3rd table in my sandbox for revised colors & borders.)
Content flowing out over table cell limits when the table is too narrow (“MKS” and “Blackwood” in my sandbox example) may or may not be regarded a problem. In my opinion, it is not a problem, but a feature that allows the table cells to have identical widths. The problem can be bettered by adding a soft hyphen (­) in places where a long word may be broken – the soft hyphen should work in all major browsers now (even Firefox got it working in version 3, hurrah!). The problem/feature cannot be entirely avoided, not even by using soft hyphens, but again: I do not see this as a problem.
Try resizing your browsers and give me more comments. Thanks for your time. –Fred Bradstadt (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I think the second one is the best, we could also standardize more some aspects on those timelines, like similar ownership line if it is used, different color for badge engineered/license manufactured models and so on.. --— Typ932T | C 11:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I’ve created a few more examples using the “second” layout:
The Aston Martin template has some issues with overflowing text, and Maserati and Ferrari has a little bit in the rightmost columns. Comments are, as always, more than welcome. –Fred Bradstadt (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Only minor problem seems to be that small overflowing text, otherwise it looks clean and modern, we should also use similar colors in those ownership lines, that Aston Martin isnt particularly nice coloring... --— Typ932T | C 19:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I prefer the look of the old design, so is it possible to retain the old look, but to keep the coding advantages of the new? OSX (talk • contributions) 23:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
You mean like this? It’s possible, but I was kinda hoping to get rid of all those bgcolor’ed table rows… –Fred Bradstadt (talk) 07:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that way. It just looks more professional. OSX (talk • contributions) 06:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Ultimately, I think I prefer the tables the way they are now. They may not be evenly spaced, but I think text overflowing out of boxes is far more visually jarring than unevenly sized columns. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 16:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I’m sad to hear that, but I’ll leave my proposal for now. –Fred Bradstadt (talk) 05:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
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