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A bit sf-y, but discussed in science. The articles we have are generally about science, not sf treatment of those (fiction is generally relegated to seprate articles). Perhaps some of this belongs under physics and not technology, but that's a minor issue. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The very concept. "Emerging technologies are technologies whose development, practical applications, or both are still largely unrealized... [but] are often perceived as capable of changing the status quo.". We list some of them already - artificial intelligence, robotics. But there's more to consider. 22 intewikis, ~450 daily page views. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"a speculative process of whole brain emulation in which a brain scan is used to completely emulate the mental state of the individual in a digital computer". 20 intewikis, ~400 daily page views. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, still too sci-fi for me to support adding to Tech. I wouldn't oppose if this came up on the Society page with other ideas from speculative fiction. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"a direct communication pathway between the brain's electrical activity and an external device". Already tested on animals. 34 intewikis, ~700 daily page views. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, still experimental, but AFAIK this is beyond animal-testing and into studies with people using these for prosthetics. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose, still too sci-fi for me to support in Tech. Would definitely support something less speculative though like Afforestation and related articles. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose, still too sci-fi for me to support in Tech; no opposition to it being in speculative fiction though. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This one's a toss-up for me. The actual technical side of it isn't too speculative; people talk about it now and it probably could be done if somebody really wanted to. Skeptical the economics will ever let it take off though, at least in my lifetime. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose, another idea that is (while outwardly simple) a bit too sci-fi for me to support in Tech. Wouldn't oppose under Speculative fiction though. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Another borderline one for me: it can approximately be done right now, but feel like a lot of the concept revolves around more futuristic applications. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, close to borderline for me, but article even says it's more focused on the speculative idea, not mundane things like ribosomes. Not opposed if it goes under Speculative fiction though. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, first impression is the article could distinguish natural and artificial instances better (article split?) Doesn't make the concept less vital though. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose, seems like the article itself can't decide if it includes currently feasible structures or only more speculative, larger ones. However, would support an article that split out the more feasible bits or Megaproject. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"the tendency for technologies that were originally unrelated to become more closely integrated and even unified as they develop and advance." 24 intewikis, ~86 daily page views. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just remembered, but I listed many context articles related to technology when I reworked Template:Technology topics. Check under "Perspectives" and "Related concepts" if you want other ideas for proposals. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I think this could start a slippery slope where we will feel compelled to list all modalities when they are inevitably released widely (text-to-video model, AI code generation which does not even have a page yet etc.). Maybe we want to do this (after all, we already do have Speech synthesis4 which is text-to-speech but this is a much more mature and widely used technology). But I feel like why bloat the list when your proposal for Generative artificial intelligence already covers all of these subfields and more. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sibling topic to Suicide prevention5, this is what you do to stop a suicide if you are past the point of prevention. It is a pretty important topic to Suicide3, and appears a lot more than prevention in pop culture.
Don't see why this wouldn't be Level 5. That said, while they technically fit under Death, would the suicide-related articles make more sense somewhere under Health? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
A fairly common practice within the psychiatric field but not on the same level as for instance Kamikaze. The Blue Rider 19:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Blue Rider: I don't see why not, I would argue it is just as important as Suicide prevention5, especially since it has more of a presence in culture due to being the default way of stopping a suicide in fiction. Besides, Suicide3 is VA3 and this is a notable enough subtopic to make the list. As you said, it is a fairly common practice. The comparison to Kamikaze also doesn't make much sense to me, since that was part of the Japanese military and not something happening to everyday people. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kamikaze is a type of suicide thus the comparison. It's a common practice in psychiatric but it's relatively minor, in the sense that it just consists in a couple of questions on whether people have suicidal ideation, a time and date, access to lethal means and if that's so they probably will get admitted to the hospital, but that's the minority of people. Most of the work to mitigate suicide is done through prevention. The Blue Rider 16:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
Comment to avoid automatic archiving, as the discussion has not ended yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Gizza(talk) 07:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
A longstanding personal computer which marked the return of Steve Jobs to Apple and has been consistently popular for 25 years. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have restored this notice. The bot noticed it was 60 days old with no comment. This restarts the clock.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of which, Flint probably has enough importance for V5, although the proposal for its addition isn’t going well. Vileplume(talk) 01:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feature phones only came to be distinguished as "feature phones" upon the popularization of smartphones, at which point the category of "mobile phone that retains the form factor of earlier generations of mobile telephones" has become a relatively niche product. I think listing both Smartphone4 and History of mobile phones5 adequately cover the subject. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chatbots are one of the primary applications of generative AI models, but they have a long history. They started long before gen AI entered the spotlight, and have been used in customer support for a long time.
"Dermatitis was estimated to affect 245 million people globally in 2015, or 3.34% of the world population. ... In the United States, it affects about 10–30% of people."
Support outside of Tech, this is really such a general & basic process, I feel almost like it belongs more in Philosophy somewhere. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support outside of Tech, such a basic process and can include just walking, seems more like part of Everyday Life. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It may also fit well under Urban studies and planning, as commuting usually happens to and from urban areas. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - also has an influence on building design and architecture (rooms tend to have higher ceiling heights). Gizza(talk) 01:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A very common process worldwide between farms and supermarkets. The parent topic of articles like Pasteurization4 and Slaughterhouse5.
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Common form to represent data. The Blue Rider 16:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 16:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per nom. We should definitely also be adding bar chart, scatter plot, pie chart etc. In fact, I'm going to hijack this thread a bit to add these as well. Good catch. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still support all of these, but presumably we want to keep all data-viz stuff with Statistics under Mathematics, which is already over quota. I can think up some batch removals, but I still think we need to discuss grabbing more slots for Math on the main Level 5 talk-page. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely. I can also look into some potential removals in Math. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also a common type of graph seen in every form of media. 41 interwikis, the most of any type of graph as far as I'm aware. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also a common type of graph seen in every form of media. High-importance on Wikiproject Statistics. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A bit too specific variant of Dieting4 in my opinion. Only 5 interwikis, merely OK pageviews at ~280 daily.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral for now because it is very important but I feel like it is sufficiently covered in the article for Linear regression5 already. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One is the estimation the other is the model, I think these two differ significantly. The Blue Rider 21:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Blue Rider: Yes and I'm saying that the article for the linear regression model has a full section for the linear least squares estimation method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_regression#Estimation_methods. Considering the fact that least squares is pretty much only used for regression, we don't need to include a separate article whose important aspects are covered by this one (and on the nonlinear side, we already list Non-linear least squares5). Aurangzebra (talk) 15:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Starship.paint: I didn't include that because the specific article for it is already VA5: Non-linear least squares5. I think I would support a swap between the two though (non-linear least squares for the more general least squares). Aurangzebra (talk) 15:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Backbone to the Roman Empire.
Support
SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All roads lead to Rome; nice catch. The Blue Rider 22:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good one. J947 ‡ edits 04:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Does Route 66 have any historical importance? For instance, did people used the route during the territorial expansion of the US? The Blue Rider 23:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s the first highway in the US to be fully paved. A lot of people used it to move to the West, especially a bunch of Okies escaping the Dust Bowl4. Again though, I’m mostly suggesting it because of how famous it is. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tilikum, a captive orca linked to three human deaths, symbolizes debates on animal captivity ethics and fostered awareness about animal welfare. The Blue Rider 01:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Variance4 helps understand the spread of a sample, but its value alone may not provide much insight. This is where the coefficient of determination comes into play. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Covariance5 helps understand how two variables change together, but its value alone doesn't show the relationship's strength or direction. That's where the coefficient of correlation comes in. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fields like economics and statistics, it's vital to remember this fallacy. Recognizing this distinction is crucial for accurate data interpretation and analysis. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not swapped with Dallas Fort Worth or Layover. Removal got 4 supporters. Makkool (talk) 15:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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More well-known and much busier airport. Interstellarity (talk) 18:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Swap with Layover, which is what Anchorage Airport was known for – it’s primarily used as a refueling point for cargo (and during the Cold War, passenger) flights between North America (and to some extent Northern Europe) and Asia. DFW isn’t particularly known for anything other than being the largest hub of American Airlines5. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose addition. I think we should greatly reduce the number of airports we list. In fact I’m not convinced individual airports are vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. is overrepresented and there’s more to vitality of an airport than yearly emplanements. Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I agree with you on that point since we have five airports from the US, but no more than three for other countries. I think a straight removal would be more justified over a swap. I would be fine with removing Ted Stevens and removing a second US airport, though have no opinion on which one should be removed just yet. Interstellarity (talk) 19:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ANC is important as an international cargo hub and for its strategic location near the Arctic Circle. I think we should increase airport representation and cut one from the US. I’ll probably support its inclusion eventually, but I’m neutral for now. Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer a swap for Memphis International Airport, which has been the world's busiest Cargo airport for many different years. For 2 hours a day it is the world's busiest hourly airport in the world because Fedex has special permissions for truncated plane spacing (based on WP:OR conversations I had with a Pilot while in Memphis).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will remain neutral for now. I haven’t developed an opinion on what should and should not be included for airports or what determines vitality for airports whether passenger or cargo, but I would be open to supporting your swap below and hearing everyone’s arguments on what should happen. Interstellarity (talk) 21:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not swapped with Memphis. Removal got 4 supporters. Makkool (talk) 15:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Because Fedex world headquarters is in Memphis and this airport is the Fedex Superhub, it has been the world's busiest cargo airport many years, including 1993 to 2009 and 2020-??. World's second busiest cargo airport 2010-2019. Based on conversations, that I have had with a pilot (pure WP:OR) Memphis is the world's busiest airport for 2 hours a day because in the wee hours of the night Fedex uses the airport exclusively and has permission for tighter flight spacing than is normal.
Support removal per my comment in the DFW nomination. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support removal until ANC's location becomes more strategic. Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 15:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support removal, no opinion on addition. Interstellarity (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Oppose addition, I don’t think Cargo airport is notable enough as a concept for us to list an example of it as vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5/Archive_12 this article was removed, it was replaced by Megalonyx though no rationale was given for the addition other than personal opinion. Considering we are under quota and this is a widespread and behaviourally unique group of anteaters which is also decently common in captivity I think it deserves a place at this level. Maras are a widespread rodent in southern Patagonia that are also extremely widespread in captivity, considering we list other less known rodents from the region such as viscacha it would make sense to include the mara as well.
Support
as nom Maykii (talk) 14:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extremely common in today's world. starship.paint (RUN) 01:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
I think e-mail already covers e-mail address well. The Blue Rider 14:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I would first add Address which is far more vital. The place where you live provides a sense of belonging and is is even more important for identification purposes. Gizza(talk) 22:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two most popular diagnostic manuals in the world surely deserve a spot in the vital list. The Blue Rider 22:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 22:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
per nom. However, I think the DSM belongs under Nonfiction books in Arts (this is where we put Gray's Anatomy5 which is also a medical reference). ICD is fine in Health, Medicine, and Disease. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure where this should be listed in, but close surveillance, especially of the public, has always been of (controversial) interests given the close monitoring of people in daily life to make sure that nothing goes wrong, had been relevant to both private and public interests for decades. Also this page gets over a thousand views a day. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The vital MTOC for many animal cell types, a hugely important organelle. Also, centrioles are already on there, and they make up the centrosome, so surely centrosome is higher priority for being on there? GraziePrego (talk) 02:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
per nom. Also, would you like to add your support, GraziePrego? Here at vital articles nominators usually support their proposals and are counted for the purposes of votes. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vital concept for understanding organism development at all stages, and differentiating between cell types in the adult organism. Also a vital concept for understanding in vitro cell cultures, early embryo development and more. GraziePrego (talk) 02:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A huge milestone in in vitro modelling of embryo development that forms the foundation of huge amounts of research. GraziePrego (talk) 08:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Sydney Metro only opened in 2019 and only has an annual ridership of 19,738,171. Out of all the rapid transit systems listed as vital articles, the Sydney Metro has the second lowest ridership, only beating the Glasgow Subway. The only reason I can guess why the Sydney Metro is a VA is for there to be a token Australian transit system listed as VA. My first preference would be to remove Sydney Metro without replacement, but I would be open to replacing Sydney Metro with Sydney Trains as well. The Sydney Trains system has an annual ridership of 288.3 million, placing it much better compared to the rapid transit systems listed as VA. Steelkamp (talk) 14:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As someone who has used the Sydney Metro, I support removing it from VA5. It is not something that the rest of the world needs to read about in an encyclopedia of 50,000 articles. Gizza(talk) 22:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support swap with Sydney Trains Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
I don't want to say I support or oppose just yet but I do want to add that part of the reason for its somewhat elevated status might be because it is currently undergoing and is planned to undergo significant expansion. Most of the network is currently under construction as well so I would expect patronage to increase significantly soon. Takerlamar (talk) 21:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Glasgow Subway has an annual ridership of 8.0 million, far below any other rapid transit system listed as a VA. Steelkamp (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
Nom
- when some metros have annual ridership of over a billion, what it this compared to those? starship.paint (RUN) 13:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Annual ridership is low and Glasgow is only the fifth largest city in the UK, but this is one of the world's oldest metro systems. Sub-Saharan Africa could use some representation, although most of them are probably recentisms. Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 18:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Steelkamp: You forgot to add the customary at vital "support as nominator" vote. Also, please consider reviewing and voting on other VA proposals. Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 18:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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As per the article name, the last universal common ancestor or LUCA is a pivotal point of macroevolution where the Bacteria3, the Archaea3, and the Eukaryote3 were split off. 39 interwikis. The Blue Rider 16:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
As nominator. The Blue Rider 16:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - However I don't think interwikis are relevant in assessing the vitality of most scientific articles. Pop culture maybe. Gizza(talk) 00:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as a eukaryote. Vileplume 🍋🟩 (talk) 21:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Said it before: I am just not sure what is so special about the 2-in-1 laptop. The article states that there are two versions, the convertible, which is basically a laptop that can be folded into a tablet, and the detachable, which is a tablet that a keyboard can be attached to. How significant or revolutionary are these changes? starship.paint (RUN) 13:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Starship.paint: My answer: The importance and vitality of 2-in-1 laptops lie in their ability to seamlessly blend the portability of tablets with the productivity of laptops. By offering a versatile experience, they cater to users who need both touch interaction and powerful computing capabilities. Whether they’re a student, professional, or creative, 2-in-1s empower people to work, create, and consume content efficiently. Their adaptability represents a significant leap in personal computing, bridging the gap between traditional laptops and tablets, and enhancing people's digital lives. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is the world's busiest airport, but not sure why it is important historically. With the removal of Anchorage Airport and this one, we should cut the number of US airports we list. JFK, LAX and ORD, are fine for this level. Interstellarity (talk) 19:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that Apple and Microsoft are on a different page than Google, Amazon, and Facebook. I don’t think it makes sense to list several websites and companies on two different pages. I’m hoping that we can develop a structure so that major companies, websites, and services are all on the same page. Interstellarity (talk) 19:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we need to list companies and websites on the same page. I moved webpages back to where they were, but I did leave the IT companies with the rest in Economics. I also think that we should have a structure: something like Meta Platforms and Alphabet Inc.5 in Economics and Facebook4 and Google4 in technology. Makkool (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Makkool I think we should discuss how we structure these pages at level 4. It didn’t make sense to me that Google, Apple, and Microsoft were on different places so I combined them into one. Any thoughts on what we should do with those pages? Interstellarity (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the best solution is the one I outlined above: to have Meta and Alphabet represent Facebook and Google along Apple and Microsoft. Makkool (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
per nom. It is not apparent why these are vital and I am not sure how much we could really write about them to turn into Featured Articles. starship.paint (RUN) 14:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article was created mainly to advertise someone's website. Ceramics#Properties describes most of the information that could be here. A better name for the article would be ceramic chemical processing, but the scope of this delisting is to make room for other things and allow for an easier merge.
The term "mobile" as the opposite of "desktop" is an vital term. However, I think it refers to Mobile operating system and to a lesser extent Mobile device5. One of those needs to be vital. Mobile computing sounds like it should be vital, but I don't really think it is.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]