For the purposes of this discussion, this is the last version of the vote page prior to the promotion:
04:12, 13 Oct 2004 Raul654 Rights for user "Neutrality" set "+sysop"
Raul654 - Please reply and provide a synopsis as to how you came to your "83% (normalized)" consensus determination to promote Neutrality in this nomination. I informed you of three suspected votes on the support side. I come up with a percentage of 76-77% myself, and considering that the opposition stances were very well documented, I think we need to know why you (who voted "support") promoted him. I think this shows poor judgement on such a close case, as I think getting outside bureaucrat advice (even if you didn't heed Cecropia's) would have been better than simply promoting with no explanation. -- Netoholic @ 04:33, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
I'm a little confused by all of this:
func(talk) 05:23, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I concur wholeheartedly with func on points 1 and 2 above. Acegikmo1 05:34, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Since I contacted Raul654 on this, I'll put in my two cents. My objection was the fear that this would start another battle royal for reasons I stated to him. There is no question in my mind that he acted in good faith and within guidelines. He decided promotion was appropriate and was willing to defend his reasoning—as I have pontificated from time to time, this is the heart of management. the community has expressed explicitly that this is what they want bureaucrats to do. As an aside, if we have to scare up extra bureaucrats to make promotions, no one will ever get promoted! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 13:29, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Neutrality did not have the requisite number of votes. Nor did Raul654 explain how he came to give Neutrality adminship, or how he came up with the 83% figure, when the actual figure is closer to 70. Therefore, the adminship should be withdrawn. -- Xed 16:10, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Re the concerns people had about user Neutrality - he's already starting to throw his weight about. I saw on his talk page that a reporter (Curtis Krueger St. Petersburg Times krueger@sptimes.com) had left a message asking people to tell him about The Wikipedia. I left a polite message and said:
"You need to go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Neutrality
and check out "oppose" and also look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Rex071404 and similar pages to get a clearer picture of user Neutrality Mr. Krueger."
Mr. Krueger also said: "... know anyone else who would be interested in talking to me today or tomorrow" and I said: "You might try user Rex071404. I don't know if he's interested but I'll put a note on his Wikipedia talk page.WikiUser 20:45, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)"
I then found that Neutrality had taken control of my talk page restoring selectively many paragraphs I'd deleted and saying:
"
Your vandalism of my userpage is not appreciated. I see you have a history of such actions. I advise you to stop this immediately, lest you find yourself blocked. Regards -- Neutrality (hopefully!) 21:46, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)"
So he sees any comment he doesn't like as "vandalism" and threatens an immediate ban. I think we need to get up a petition re concern about his behaviour and try to have him de-selected as an Administrator. I feel he will drive new users away for example if he treats them this way. See my page for more tedious details at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WikiUser
I also don't like the conflict of interest of Jwrosenzweig and Raul654. In the Arbitration on Rex071404 They haven't finished their (mighty) judgement, yet they've already taken action against Rex071404 and not against Neutrality and -when they haven't finished judging the case- gone off and voted for Neutrality to be an Administrator. They should withdraw from either the voting or the Arbitration case, they can't do both. Seeems like a conflict of interest to me:
"26. Support -- Neutrality's obviously deserving and dedicated. ... ...I trust Neutrality to keep this in mind, and have great faith in N's ability to be a trustworthy admin. Jwrosenzweig </wiki/User:Jwrosenzweig> 20:02, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)"
By the way he also says: "but I hope N. will consider being extra careful when interacting with new users, especially if admin powers are invoked"
Some hopes! WikiUser 19:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What the...? Please allow me to make sure I understand this: a reporter asked a Wikipedia user for information about the project, and you decided to point him in the direction of a contentious internal policy decision??? WikiUser: what you did was pure vandalism. Neutrality acted in an entirely correct manner with regards to your actions. You choose to make your personal grudge reflect badly on the Wikipedia project in front of a reporter. That's just idiotic. If I have misrepresented what you did, please let me know. func(talk) 20:19, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You've edited the wrong section. Now everyone will have to use "edit whole page" link. You're breaking the personal abuse Guidelines by saying my edit was vandalism. I have no personal grudge, that's also personal abuse as it's a lie. You haven't accused all the other 17 voters against Neutrality of having a personal grudge. Looks like you've got a personal grudge against me from the record then. " and you decided to point him in the direction of a contentious internal policy decision???" Bless gracious! Look how can you have the nerve to come on here with this nonsense? The Request For Arbitration and Neutrality's talk page are secret? Come off it. I'm -like all Wikipedia users- in the general public same as this reporter is. No part of Wikipedia is secret. Sectret from who? Yes you've mis-represented what I did.WikiUser 20:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I moved these from the project page since the nomination is finished. That page should be left "as-is" for the historical record -- Cecropia | explains it all ®
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Rex071404
See the evidence page and related pages too. Unfortunately "related pages" here means many pages and thousands of lines to read. I haven't read all the material involved, but have read thousands of line of it, and this is the reason I am against Neutrality being made an administrator. For example you'll see on the "John Kerry" history page (around 24th of july '04) that he removes several paragraphs and marks this as a minor edit. He also marks reverts as minor edits. I feel the things I've read on the above pages by him show he's not suited to the position and may drive away people that are new to the Wikipedia. I particularly don't like the way he and the other's are ganging-up against one person- in the way that often happens on discussion-boards.
I feel it's wrong of him not to mention the huge arbitration case at "questions for the candidate" - instead he says; "my Wikipedia experiences have been very positive".
And when he says; "The only serious conflict I've had was with a user that was severely disruptive. In the end the user was sanctioned by the Arbitration Committee and left Wikipedia.", if he means Rex071404 that's not true as has been shown to be the case.
I think he would fit in very well with the current "board of arbitrators" and you can't say worse than that.
I also don't think that Jwrosenzweig, Raul654 or any other arbitrator should be voting for him when they claim they haven't yet decided about the request for arbitration he's involved in. It means of course that they must already have pre-judged the issue, in their friend's favour - by definition.
I have only just completed my 48 hours sentence imposed on me by this candidate.
While I now know that I should not contribute in the area of my expertise, it gave a Newbie to WikiPedia a sour introduction to the process. I was ambushed with accusation and no detail on claims of 'self promotion' and 'Link Spamming'. This in response for attempting to fill the void on that topic.
I respect the establishment of the wikipedia process. But I beg for it's own legacy that wikipedia treat volunteers with due respect and understanding. weide 03:59, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) ref: Talk:Republican_Party_(United_States)#ElectGOP.net_link