List of Wii games

I'm hoping to get this list to Featured status, as I feel that it is well done. I appreciate any feedback and comments you may have for improving it. Digiwrld1 21:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Krator

--User:Krator (t c) 22:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I removed the 'Exclusive' column from the table as suggested. I also 'grayed out' the word Unreleased, so it is more apparent that the title is not to be released in that region. I also added a line in the introduction about this. A sample of this table is below; let me know what you think and if it is okay then I'll start adding this to the actual table. -Digiwrld1 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"TBA" and "Unreleased" have two different meanings: TBA means that the game will be eventually released in that region, and unreleased means that there are currently no plans to release the game in that region. So Healing Type is a Japan-only game that hasn't been released yet. --Conti|✉ 22:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. This is a bit unclear for the reader without interest in video games besides playing them. Might explain in the introduction. --User:Krator (t c) 23:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -Digiwrld1 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:A Link to the Past

Consider changing to this style (using the A section as an example). If possible, all sources should be of Nintendo Europe, which covers both being official and being accessible by more people than Nintendo.com is (because of flash). - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, but that style has less information and does't use a sortable table. Why should we do that? --Conti|✉ 22:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree as well. References on the list page are bad and clutter up the page. --User:Krator (t c) 22:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? I can't imagine how my list is more cluttered than this one. Why should we give each and every date for games? And wow, how in the world does this article become an A-class (ie, the best it can be without getting featured)? There isn't one single thing on this entire list to even imply that anything about it is the least bit factual or accurate. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, tell me - why is Australia less important? Or New Zealand? South Korea? China? The set-up of the DS list on my user page represents more countries and wastes less space. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The list is referenced in the articles of the entries themselves. If something is not, it should be. List of Final Fantasy titles, a Featured List, only references some of the notes (this page has none) and the release dates of some (about 1/3) of the games. Adding 100+ references to this page would be not useful because of the extreme size of this list.
  • If the information is not factual, the article of the game should be deleted (better: improved), and therefore the entry of that game in this list.
  • Market share, getting the overall picture, and geographical coordination. (i.e: "North America" instead of "USA") Why are Brazil, Iran, Russia, and Togo not listed? Why does the front page list a student protest in Teheran, but not the dissolving of the Ukrainian parliament? There is no room for every country, so a choice has to be made.
  • This is not an attack on your list in any way - it is a much smaller list (fewer columns) so references could possibly be listed. If you want it to be assessed or peer reviewed, make a request and I'll do it. Now, back on topic, shall we?
--User:Krator (t c) 23:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You were attacking the facts of the list, not the list, and I was rebutting it. Tell me - why is it better to give columns for the "main" countries? Similar to how you argue that the main article shows no need for references, the main article also shows the release dates. There is absolutely no need to list release dates. And I assure you, this won't pass as a GA with as much information as it has. The fact of the matter is that having release dates and a column for only main countries is more "wild and unruly" than a small number surrounded by columns next to an article's name that gets in the way of nothing. If we go your way, we get a retread of information found in the article and less basic information - such as "is this game released in Australia, a country which is not considered minor by any definition of the word?". - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Deckiller

This list will fail criterion 1c until all references are moved back into the article. Also, the lead section is quite informal, even for a list; the List of Untitled Wii projects belongs more in the See also section, and we should not use the word "please" in our prose. — Deckiller 00:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How does this sound for the lead: This is a sortable list of the 211 games that have been released or are in development for Nintendo's Wii video game console, referred to by their English titles. The Wii first launched in the Americas on November 19, 2006 with 23 titles, including Wii Sports. Release dates for individual countries may vary from the regional dates listed below; a title is listed as 'Unreleased' if it will not be sold in that region.
I'd appreciate any feedback you may have-Digiwrld1 19:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oscarthecat

Should the article make use of italics for game names? Also, all references to dates should be wikified perhaps (including the lead section)? --Oscarthecat 01:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article uses italics when a game has a different name in a different region, (Elebits in JP, and NA - Eledees in EUR). I believe we limit the use of italics to this to help with clarification. - Jmeriot 13:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Some kind user has gone through and italicized each entry; it looks fine. Thanks user! -Digiwrld1 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Digiwrld1

First, thank you for your comments. I've read each suggestion carefully.

Digiwrld1 04:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Likn to the Past, perhaps you should notice that several of the main contributors of this article oppose this change, and yourself aside, noone supports it. It conflicts with the sortable tables that are in place, and while covering more countries, provides less information. All of this is on top of the fact that no other featured article uses this format, furthermore the actual List of DS games article doesn't even use it. It seems like you are more concerned with pushing your personal preference than a fair discussion about improvements. - Jmeriot 17:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, right. Good point. Because people don't like what I have to say about their article, my opinion is bad and I should be quiet. And you know what? Let's add short leads to each game on the list. And multiplayer info. Online info. Price. Visual style. Gameplay style. Genre. Developer. Designer. Why not? If we don't, we provide less information. And I wish more people followed Assume bad faith as well as you do. I mean, the very idea that I could be pushing this because I feel it improves the quality is just silly. Clearly, it is a simple matter of me = someone who wants to dominate this article and you = trying to protect this article, and I was totally in the wrong for daring to criticize anything of this article. My SINCEREST apologies - I forgot, Wikipedia's about making articles the way you want, regardless of how good it ends up as. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1. Did not claim ownership of article. 2. Didn't say you should be quiet, I said that you are not listening to anyones discussion on the matter. Anyone who disagrees with you, you change their words around and make it seem like a personal attack on yourself. 3. You're being ridiculous with the less information subject and you know it. 4. It's not bad faith, it's a track record anyone can see by looking through your edits and talk pages. 5. Didn't say you shouldn't criticize the article, I was just saying that you've made your point, noone agrees, let's move on. 6. Clearly you didn't forget that its about "making articles the way you want, regardless of how good it ends up as."
Can we move on now? - Jmeriot 13:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1. Right - telling me that because only I support it and your little clique of people who developed this article want it this way isn't taking ownership. 2. Yeah, I bet next thing you know, you'll accuse me of changing your recent statement around so that it seems like you accuse me of manipulating everyone elses' statements. 3. What? I do believe you're confused - see, it is you who is being ridiculous, as lists don't need more information. 4. Yes, and I'm sure that you actually bothered to scan my contributions to find an instance where I "pushed my personal preference on others and prefer fair discussion over improvements". I mean, the very idea that I don't do that is silly. I mean, after all, I boldly changed this article as opposed to bringing up this aspect at the Peer Review. Either you're wrong or you're a fairy capable of magicing up imaginary events. 5. Yeah, I'm sure that'll work at FLC - "We don't agree with your reasons for objection, so I'll ignore it". 6. Let's see... you suggest that I move on from this article because you and a few of your friends like it one way and aren't interested in listening to any other way. Tell me - who cares that you disagree with me on this? You also disagree on citations, which pretty much validates how good your opinion is in regard to what an FL is. But don't let that stop you from suggesting that someone not be involved in an article because they they something that a select few people disagree with. That's only claiming ownership; and that's probably not against the rules. Same with Assuming bad faith. - A Link to the Past (talk) 13:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I find it humorous that your cohorts will mention the N64 games for the lead, for the citations, but not for the fact that it more closely follows my style. In fact, if not for the year of release there, it would have no resemblance. So okay, no one agrees with me - except for the writers of the only featured list and the people who supported its promotion. So tell me, if it's right for the N64 article, why's it wrong for this one? So in the end, if you wish to "belittle" my criticisms, I will oppose this article's promotion. I think the angle of "the article's style goes against the one and only featured list of video games, despite being perfectly capable of following its style" works just fine. - A Link to the Past (talk) 14:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved From Talk Page

(Moved to Peer Review as it is the central location to suggest improvements to the article right now)

The article needs citations for everything that can be challenged (which, in the case of lists, is most material), preferably checked with one or two other sources to ensure verifiability. Otherwise, it might not even pass the Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Format and content looks good, though. — Deckiller 23:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Based on strong suggestions from the previous sugestions, all references were moved from the list itself to the individual game pages. [1] is how it looked before. Personaly, i think it was a better referenced article before the links were moved, but the previous reviewers were fairly adament about removing the references to somewhere else. -Telvin 3d 00:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then this cannot be considered for FL status. I'll make a note on the peer review page. — Deckiller 00:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, again, we do not need to see the release dates. The way this list is set up with release dates is a better way - it covers more countries, and takes less space. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to disagree with converting to the release date system used for the DS list. Yes it takes up less space, but at the cost of actual dates, which are needed for a sortable list such as this. - Jmeriot 17:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good point - who cares about billions of people who may want to look up if the game is in their country? We should cater to less people just so we can give more content. Since when did this list become a mini article? - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The only area the list does not cover is Austraila, and as far as I know, their release dates are very close to the European ones, so there's no real information lost compared to using flags. Not mentioning that using flags will make the sorting feature moot. --Conti|✉ 19:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Conti is right, the Australian dates correlate pretty closely to the European release dates, with titles releasing within a week of each other for the most part. This is due to both continents being of PAL settings. I realize that you don't want any one particular to be left out, but remember that the Wii has been released in a number of countries; it is a conscience decision, then to decide which countries to feature and which to leave out. On a sidenote, the columns are not titled by a specific country, but rather by region. All countries in North America and South America fall under the region 'Americas'; all PAL regions fall under 'Europe'; and East Asia falls under 'Japan'. When creating this list, we used the List of Nintendo 64 games as a starting point; in fact, I'm sure you'll remember when this list look like a deformed version of that list, complete with green checks and red 'X's. It was from this list that the three regions were established, not anywhere else. What was apparent, however, was that what worked for one system would not necessarily work for another. A number of users wanted to know which titles had been released, which titles were going to be released, etc. From there a number of us started suggesting ways to improve the list until it took on it's current form. I want you to know that although I disagree with your suggestion to reformat the list, I appreciate and value the feedback.
To see when a game is coming out is unnecessary. My way saves space and removes info that is not necessary. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly do we gain from not listing release dates? Are we really creating a better list when it has more space and less information? --Conti|✉ 14:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Though I may disagree that we should switch the format of the table, I do agree with you that as it stood, the list seemed to favor certain countries over others. I've updated the column headings and lead, as you'll see below, to better reflect that the list is split by region, not by individual countries. As I mentioned before, I carefully read and thought about every comment listed here, and I hope that this helps alleviate some of your initial issues with this list. -Digiwrld1 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Digiwrld1

Rather than giving citations for every single game, use the method all the other featured lists use - a few references which are lists of Wii games too. [2] [3] are both good references and contain upcoming games as well. I don't see why a different citation for every single game is needed to get this to FL while other lists of games do not need that. Citing those Nintendo and Gamespot lists is enough IMHO. --User:Krator (t c) 09:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Thanks for the solution Krator -Digiwrld1 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Changes to Lead/Table

This is a sortable list of the 210 games that are in development or have been released for Nintendo's Wii video game console. The Wii is the fifth video game console from Nintendo, succeeding the Nintendo GameCube. It was first released in North America on November 19 2006 with 23 launch titles (including Wii Sports), followed by a release in Japan and Europe on December 2 2006 and December 8 2006, respectively. For additional information on the Wii's release, including the list of launch titles and the regions they were released in, see Wii launch.

A title is listed as 'Unreleased' if there are no plans to sell the game in that region.

This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.
Title Developer Publisher Japan Japan Europe Europe United States Americas
Earache: Extreme Metal Racing Data Design Int. Metro 3D Unreleased 2007 Unreleased
Elebits
Eledees EUR 		Konami Konami 2 December 2006 18 April 2007 12 December 2006
Elviz: Rock n Roll Adventure Data Design Int. Metro 3D Unreleased 2007 Unreleased
Emergency Mayhem Codemasters Codemasters TBA TBA TBA
Ennichi no Tatsujin Namco Bandai Namco Bandai 2 December 2006 Unreleased Unreleased
Escape from Bug Island
Necro-Nesia JP 		Spike EidosNA
SpikeJP 		2 December 2006 TBA May 2007
Excite Truck Monster Games Nintendo 18 January 2007 16 February 2007 19 November 2006
Eyeshield 21: Field no Saikyou Senshi Tachi Nintendo Nintendo 8 March 2007 Unreleased Unreleased

Your comments are appreciated here -Digiwrld1 23:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. --User:Krator (t c) 09:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we could add to the lead some clarification on the regions, as you've done above in RE: to A Link to the Past. Something explaining, that though the region is listed as "NA" it covers the Americas, and "EUR" covers PAL regions (Australia included), and that JP covers East Asia. Also possibly a bit explaining that the release dates may not be universal to every country within that region, but are generally the same. - Jmeriot 13:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I have updated the column headings and lead to better reflect that the list is regional, not per individual country as could be mistaken before. The updated sections are as follows; let me know what you think. -Digiwrld1 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a sortable list of the 210 games that have been released or are in development for Nintendo's Wii video game console. Release dates for individual countries may vary from the dates listed below; a title is listed as 'Unreleased' if there are no plans to sell the game in that region.

This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.
Title Developer Publisher Asia PAL Regions Americas
100 Bullets [1] D3P D3P 2007 2007 2007
I really don't like those pictures, are there no images out there that have only the regions in questions highlighted? The Pal one has the entire globe sorted into regions, and they're all rather disparate. --PresN 23:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, I spent a considerable time looking for better images than the ones here, but to no avail. Should I just take them out? Digiwrld1 02:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ReyBrujo

Ceros

That's all I can think of for now. Good job on the list. Ceros 17:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the input Ceros, I'll be sure to start improving on whatever I can. I'd like to address a couple of items though. The list uses the dts template to sort, and so I don't know if that will work alongside linking to "month/year in gaming". If someone can show me how to do this though, I'd be glad to start working on it.
As per the citations, we have changed this around so many times that its kind of ridiculous. The PS3 list did indeed get the arrows from the List of Wii games, but this was changed by recommendation of our assessor. Krator, I'd like to ask you to address the current citation situation if possible as I feel that your explanation as to why this particular method has been implemented will be better than my own.
The transliterations were included simply because the List of Nintendo 64 games and the List of Virtual Boy Games, both Featured Lists, did this as well. I have no problem removing them/changing to native language, but felt that I should just bring that point up. Thanks again for your input, though I'm afraid I'll have to defer to other Wikipedians to help out in addressing some of these concerns. -Digiwrld1 08:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You

I'd like to thank everyone for your comments and suggestions, they have been a great help in improving the List of Wii games. As I suspect this Peer Review will soon be archived, you are always welcome to leave your suggestions on the Talk Page. I hope the list is now beyond satisfaction. Again, thanks. -Digiwrld1 03:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


User: Link 486

My grief with this list is that some of the games have their Japanese names translated into English, like Fire Emblem. They should be labeled as (tentative title) until we know their American names. Link 486 13:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Hatfield, Daemon (May 3, 2007). "100 Bullets Reloaded". Retrieved 2007-04-04.
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