List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War

Article passed a peer-preview a year ago, contains 150+ references, a good lead, etc. and I believe that it meets all the requirements for A-class. Maybe it needs some work in expanding the introduction. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comments[reply]

Some editors asked for official sources that show the number of shootdowns. I think this gives us an estimate for the situation back in 2007. I'll try to find another source. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any luck finding another source? Or maybe one that speaks to only the Iraq theater? If you can't find a more recent one, I suggest wording something like "By March 2007, U.S. Army officials had said that at least 130 helicoptors had been shot down". Honestly, that may not be any better. I understand the desire to have an official source for some number but if the official source confuses the count used in the article I think it does more harm than good. -SidewinderX (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find anything more recent. Most of the links use out list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:29, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This one discusses only shootdowns and not accidents, I think. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, until something better comes along, what's there will do. It's not a deal breaker. -SidewinderX (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done A more recent and complete report published and added to the text. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We have to comment the reduce of the shootdowns in the last years somehow. I 've no idea how. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done 22:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you're almost there! -SidewinderX (talk) 12:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments! I ll do some today but my iinternet access is a bit limited till April. I ll do most of the stuff in 2 weeks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I did the best I could. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Magioladitis has put plenty of work into this article... Support! -SidewinderX (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

**Fixed-wing aircraft, 2008: November 28 C-23 accident unreferenced.  Done

Fixing these up should be the only work needed. :) - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 01:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done all! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nice work. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 17:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's based on the counting from the data given in the lists. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know that the casualty figures reported in all of those news stories turned out to be accurate? The figure could potentially be lower if any of the stories over stated the number of casualties. Nick-D (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think we have to do about it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Remove it - it's irrelevant to the topic of this article Nick-D (talk) 23:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are all double-checked by the links given in the External links section. No link covers the whole period of 7 years. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Given that most of those references don't appear to be reliable sources that doesn't really address my concern I'm afraid. Moreover, given that the news stories were generally written at the time of the shootdown or accident, how do you know that none of the aircraft were later assessed as being repairable and repaired (the tables are claimed to be 'losses') or that none of the media releases and news stories miss-identified the aircraft? (which is hardly uncommon). Nick-D (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because this books refers to many incidents happened after 2003. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Example? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.jjraymond.com/political/articles/helicopters112004.html (seems to be someone's personal blog), http://www.water-revolution.org/iraqheli.html (dead link and not a very likely source judging from the URL, http://www.pom-tom.de/Losses_OIF_dat2006.html (what makes this reliable?), http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL0790850820070208 (reliable, but contains nothing that's not already in the article) Nick-D (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tagged as dead link. I 'll try to find an active one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Which ones? I checked almost all and I found none. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 38, 57 (used multiple times), 64, 65, 78, 79, 82, 85, 86, 88, 89, etc. There are quite a lot. Nick-D (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Working on them right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Added accessdates to all links. Updated 1-2 links. Found 1 dead-link. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I fixed every issue came up. Anything else is has to be done? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article still contains an unreferenced statement about total casualties, and unreferenced summary tables. The aircraft types are also greatly over-linked. Nick-D (talk) 07:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The aircraft types are not over-linked anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bgwhite completed the delinking. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Magioladitis, you did a ton of work on this article, it seems very clean and appears comprehensive, yet it's been sitting on the waiting-for-assessment list for the past eleven years. What can I do to help get this finished? Is there consensus here? Were there any unaddressed criticisms? EVhotrodder (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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