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Template:Infobox Chinese Building

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The result of the discussion was Delete after replacement with ((Infobox religious building)) Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Chinese Building (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to Infobox building, infobox Buddhist temple etc. I see this infobox used in a number of articles on Buddhist temples. PLastikspork any chance Template:Infobox Tibetan Buddhist monastery could be moved into a Template:Infobox Buddhist temple but in the design of the Tibetan Buddhist infobox? It would make sense to have an infobox for all Buddhist temples. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I created this template specifically for my articles about Chinese temples because there was not an adequate pre-made template I could use. The template for Tibetan temples is completely unsuitable for Chinese temples, and I wish to continue using my own template.Zeus1234 (talk) 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously. Do you think we are stupid? We have Template:Infobox religious building for all religions. Technically that should be used for any article on a religious building. you just need to spent 30 seconds learning how to use it. As for Tibetan Buddhist monastery infobox not being suitable for articles on Buddhist temples, clearly you misunderstood what I said. the idea is to neutralise and allow it to be used under Template:Infobox Buddhist temple for any buddhist temples in China, Vietnam, Burma, wherever. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Brazilian Region

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The result of the discussion was Delete per author approval Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Brazilian Region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Low usage template which is redundant to ((infobox region)). Note that Infobox Brazilian State is very similar, and recently closed as delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WP Translink banner (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Banner for deleted project. WOSlinker (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was History merge and delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Reference desk header (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template had only one transclusion which was on Wikipedia:Reference desk. It has now been substituted on this page and so this template is no longer needed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Wing

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The result of the discussion was No consensus to delete, however there appears to be some support for deprecating these templates, and having a bot substitute them. There did not appear to be any strong opinion for or against merging them into ((RU position)), although that could be an option. I would suggest continuing the discussion elsewhere, perhaps to see if there is enough consensus to have a bot orphan the templates, or to merge them into ((RU position)). No prejudice against bringing these back to TFD in the future, especially if a bot orphans the lot. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Back row (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Rugbycentre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:First five-eighth (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Flanker (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Fly-half (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Front row (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Hooker (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Inside centre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Lock (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Loosehead prop (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Number 8 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Out half (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Outside centre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tighthead prop (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Stand-off (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Second row (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Second five-eighth (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Scrum-half (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Prop (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Outside half (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Fullback (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Half-back (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Trivial text substitution. Redirects and proper disambiguated links are a far better option than having over a dozen templates that link to only one page. This will de-populate category:rugby union position templates as well. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've created ((RU position)), which takes each of these values as a first parameter and produces the same output (i.e. copy-pasted from each of the above templates). mirabile dictu, I've even made some documentation. That being said, it's just a large switch statement, and it might be better if these became subtemplates of that one, and replace the switch statement to a transclusion of the appropriate subtemplate. The downside of doing it that way is it would, I assume, hide where they are used via "what links here". Either way, these above are all redundant now and would (in my opinion) satisfy Speedy T3 were it not for their listing here. Si Trew (talk) 15:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I imagine the intent was to create templates so they could start being used in other articles; not all of them link to one article since some positions have their own article. But this is just a guess as I have no particular interest in Rugby Union and so none in the intent of creating these. That being said, I did translate an RU club article from French Wikipedia recently, and this would have been handy for me there. If I remember which article it was I might go back and change that article to use this, but if I do please disregard that from any notion of the template being actively used (it's more of a test that I'll happily revert). Si "Every problem can be solved by another layer of indirection" Trew (talk) 16:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The question is whether this is of genuine utility. One would think that the point is consistency, but by the time you've gone and memorised the syntax needed to use any of these you might as well have just typed [[number 8 (rugby union)|]] and been done with it. What starts out as a cheap way of linking deep into an article (with ((wing)), for instance) quickly becomes a mess and a waste of time when all the other positions are filled out. This really shouldn't be encouraged when we have a perfectly good system (disambiguation and the pipe trick) within the normal linking system. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
these templates were created to link to the positions within different articles. At the time, the links to the sections of each article were changing, with some sections receiving their own article. These templates made it easier to change the link without the need to change hundreds of articles at once. If a substitute exists and the creator of that substitute or the nominator of the templates want to go through hundreds of articles changing them all, then go for it and delete these templates, but don't delete them until you have corrected and changed all articles that use them first. --Bob (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with Bob, don't go deleting these templates just because you don't understand it..i remember it took us a long time to come up with this ingenious idea to use templates like this (((Rugbycentre))) instead of trying to type "[[Rugby union positions#13. Outside centre & 12. Inside centre]]" ..so don't go around deleting this until you find an easy solution and a bot who can go around making those changes....--Stemoc (talk) 07:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The solution is to use [[centre (rugby union)|]], as everyone else on the entire project does. That the rugby union project didn't come up with this is unfortunate, but not a reason to keep. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep them, I would say. What problem/disadvantag are they exactly causing? And who is going to substitute them in every article they are used in? I can't imagine somebody would volunteer for this unless its done by a bot. Calistemon (talk) 10:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It'll be done by a bot if required. As for the "damage" that it does, it stands to reason that shortcuts like ((wing)) would be better used for templates which are really necessary. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:54, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It assumes that everyone is a rugby-headed snob. "flanker" is used nowhere except rugby? What about "wing"? or "lock" or "hooker" ? 76.66.195.196 (talk) 04:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If some other Wikipedia project would have a better, more worthy use for the template wing, we could surely move the rugby one to Rugbywing, like Rugbycentre for centre. That would only involve dealing with one position template instead of the lot. I'm still for keeping them. Calistemon (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The templates were created so that if a section heading where, say Flanker, was now moved to its own article, one needs only to change the piped link within the template rather than change 500+ articles. Hence, easier. The templates were created at a time when piped links as a redirect did not link to sections of articles, but only to the lead paragraph of the article, ie the top of the page and the user had to scroll down to the relevant section. If this problem has been resolved and piped links in redirects now redirect directly to sections and subsections of articles, and not just to the lead/top paragraph of articles, then the piped link in a redirect would be fine by me. However, I reiterate my point made before, whatever the outcome, it should be that links within pages link directly to the correct subsections within the main article on rugby positions (or independent articles if that be the case) and that an easy way to change a link should be retained, either through a new main template or through redirects. --Bob (talk) 00:52, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I never remember the pipe trick, and the clue is in the question, it's a trick. Usually when I pipe, taking regard of WP:EGG and so forth, it's a considered decision not just hitting the tab key. And for the same reason, putting a template in an article instead of the thing it stands for is a considered decision. Some are easy to make – shall I use an infobox template or write the table myself longhand – some are obviously redundant e.g. ((McDonalds)) and some are near the mark, like these. I still say if they are near the mark, keep them if there is not a better use for them elsewhere. I know I am in a minority here, but I think the ability to change one link in a template instead of many in various articles is a better thing. It does, I agree, reduce transparency. It's a delicate tradeoff. I think the template I made ((RU position)) shows the compromise of that tradeoff, while not advocating it in itself, it shows the delicate balance I think. (That template can be deleted after this discussion if the result makes it redundant.) 81.102.142.236 (talk) 22:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A policy at WP:RU can be put up to clarify this point ( to use pipe links instead of templates.) SauliH (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was No consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Category header socialists by nationality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
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Template:Category header liberal parties by country (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
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Template:Category header Islamism in (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
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  • Fixed: I have edited out where unnecessary. The purpose (of the template) is to aid in navigation / maintenance, Eg parent <A> by <C>, <D> in <E>, in <E> by <F>, etc. This gets very complex, and when updated (it will definitely expand), such a large structure is impossible to maintain by hand. See the SHIPS (is that POV?) category templates. - Skullers (talk) 22:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Better, thanks. (It just struck me as odd that some pairings were presented as particularly "related" to each other when they actually have less in common with each other than with other movements/philosophies.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Blake's 7 character

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Blake's 7 character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to ((Infobox character)). It was only being used on about a dozen pages, so I replaced it with the standard. Plastikspork (talk) 06:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tomorrow People character

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tomorrow People character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to ((Infobox character)). It was only being used on about six pages, so I replaced it with the standard infobox. Plastikspork (talk) 06:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Main page redesign proposal notice (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

An old talk page notice from 2 years ago. Not useful now. Imzadi 1979 → 05:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as redundant. Si Trew (talk) 09:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Chantbased

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chantbased (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I find this an odd template as it seems somewhat arbitrary. Beyond the fact that it's a lot of red-links, perhaps it should be converted into a list if there are reliable sources for this musical field. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's a navbox in on actively edited pages, so I'd rather defer the decision to the editors of those pages. Si Trew (talk) 09:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And yes I know there is a notice then placed on those pages, but it's not exactly prominent. Si Trew (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I know many people who loves music similar to Enigma. The template may be useful for those who want to learn more about musical projects based on different chants. This is The Free Encyclopedia. James Michael 1 (talk) 22:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's the criteria for being in this chart? "I think it's similar"? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't like something, it doesn't mean that something needs to be removed. This is The Free Encyclopedia. I hope still free. James Michael 1 (talk) 08:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Talk:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals/archive box

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Talk:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals/archive box (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Content merged into archive box on talk page. Template is not needed anymore. Kslotte (talk) 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not needed any more at all. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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