Smile Lee

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05 March 2015
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BeachesParadise=BeachParadise as per this.

BeachesParadise has been primarily involved with the Heaven Sent Gaming draft and the article's AfD, as seen with previous socks. The account also redirected Heaven Sent Gaming related articles 1, 2, just like the blocked sock, DunDunDunt.

DocterCox initially created Little Anita's and Boba Tea Company, which was later picked up by Smile Lee. The account also was interested in the revival of the deleted HSG article. The user also has the same opinion as Smile Lee on a few AfDs 1, 2, 3.

I've blocked both accounts based upon behavior. Mike V • Talk 01:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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-- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 04:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
30 April 2015
Suspected sockpuppets

Attempted recreation (yet again) of article about Smile Lee's business Draft:Heaven Sent Gaming. Similar use of extremely flimsy sources to establish notability, per Kieron Donoghue. User defends Smile Lee (on a first name basis) as being an innocent bystander,[1] in spite of check user evidence and mountains of behavioral evidence already documented. Grayfell (talk) 23:35, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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26 September 2015

Suspected sockpuppets

Ruski22's first edit was to create Christian Comic Arts Society which includes mention of Smile Lee's much deleted project Heaven Sent Gaming supported only by a primary profile. Ruski22 later restores a link to heavensentgaming.com used as a source at Silver City, New Mexico,[2] which has no other connection to Christian comic books. The IP that originally added the link (71.210.198.251) also edited the page about Silver City musician Al Hurricane, which was mostly written by Smile Lee (and socks).

Ruski22 defends Heaven Sent Gaming as a reliable source (it isn't) on Talk:New Mexico chile, where they claim ignorance of the topic, but maintain that the site is reliable anyway because it establishes information. The lengthy writing style full of personal tidbits also matches the sockfarm's many AFD arguments.[3]

Ruski22 was apparently mistakenly bot-blocked as part of the Orangemoody case and then unblocked. If this was connected to proxy use, it would fit past patterns considering Smile Lee's aggressive and deceptive past history. Alternately, it would also explain why Ruski22, a two month-old account, calls sock investigations "routine" on the chile talk page. Grayfell (talk) 22:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

More connections: IP 97.123.7.170 (contribs) was one of many !votes for keeping Heaven Sent Gaming, and has also !voted to keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tobuscus Adventures: Wizards!, a game made by youtube personality Toby Turner. On the chile talk page, Ruski22 mentions Turner as an example of an overturned deletion discussion. There is no obvious connection between Turner and New Mexico or comic books, so this seems way too obscure to be a coincidence. Grayfell (talk) 00:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so looking at the CCAS' website, Mario J. Lucero (Smile Lee has repeatedly said he is Lucero) joined August 4, 2015, which is the same day the CCAS article was created.[4] CCAS has 1,628 members, and there's no indication of greater significance for Lucero. There is no way that's a coincidence, this is clearly Smile Lee creating a new account to write an article about a group he just joined. Grayfell (talk) 05:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Grayfell didn't even warn me about any of this. Extremely bad faith, I was already investigated for an Orangemoody thing, and now this? Is this all this site is? Investigations against wild accusations. I am not Mario, I do not know Mario, and I only brought him up because you did. Ruski22 (talk) 03:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck is Silver City musician Al Hurricane? I don't even know what you're talking about. I edited the Silver City thing since you had been on a tirade about removing the source in question. I'm outta here, not touching this subject again with a ten-foot-pole. Ruski22 (talk) 03:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Tirade" eh? You mean the two sentences on Talk:New Mexico chile explaining why the source should be treated as spam? How did you find out about my "tirade", then? How did your research about Christian organizations lead you to a talk page about a New Mexican food product, and why did that make you want to jump into the fray about small-town New Mexican restaurants? Actually, how did you even notice the edit to Silver City? It was weeks ago, and I've made many edits since then, removing dozens of spammy links from various articles. It's incredibly unlikely that you just happen to have stumbled on a page that used to include this incredibly obscure site Heaven Sent Gaming. Since this is exactly the same behavior we've seen from other socks, explaining your behavior would be helpful. Grayfell (talk) 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I searched "Heaven Sent Gaming", on Talk pages on Wikipedia, and there we go. I did the same about "Clint D. Johnson", "Heaven Sent Gaming" and "Captain Salvation", all three of which, I happened to find out about when researching the Christian Comic Arts Society. I also see now that you were involved in a deletion on a New Mexican English related to a Heaven Sent Gaming thing, I don't care about New Mexico and I have no interest in editing anything related to it any more. I can't see the "dozens of spammy" links from Heaven Sent Gaming your referring to, from your editing history I only see like 4 or 5. I don't really know why you have taken an interest in some small "obscure" publisher like Heaven Sent Gaming, but you have been directly involved with several deletion and removal discussions about Heaven Sent Gaming.Ruski22 (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe I've ever edited New Mexican English, although the spammy nature of those links is evident from the multiple discussion on that article's talk page (Talk:New Mexican English). There again we have an editor saying that the link doesn't have to stay, but that it's a reliable because it's factual, which completely ignores the point of WP:RS. I've removed many spammy links from many pages, only a few of which have been Heaven Sent Gaming related. How did you find the one I made to Silver City? Grayfell (talk) 05:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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18 November 2015

Suspected sockpuppets

IP from proxy server trying, once again, to recreate Draft:Heaven Sent Gaming Grayfell (talk) 00:17, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Might want to do a range block of 178.73.210.*. At Talk:Earthquake_prediction#Earthquake_forecast there are two more instances where someone is pushing the fringe theories of one Omerbashich. These relate to the blocked user Aminidi. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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10 April 2016

Suspected sockpuppets

Created El Gringo (musician) on April 4th. Sources describe El Gringo as a Mexican Regional artist, but this editor links him (reasonably, to be fair) to New Mexico music, which was Smile Lee's major area of activity. The article used Heaven Sent Gaming as a reference, which is Smile Lee's website, and one he has aggressively spammed in the past. The article at Smile Lee's website was last edited April 4, same day the Wikipedia article was created. Whoops, was just edited today. Wish I had grabbed it in Archive.org to see what the difference was. Oh well.

This editor has the same conversational style as Smile Lee and socks, which is hard to describe, but very distinctive. Grayfell (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Heaven Sent Gaming site has been updated to mirror LittleMissIndependent's recent changes to the Wikipedia article. The phrase:
  • His singles, though they primarily chart and receive recognition on New Mexico music charts, he is primarily known as Regional Mexican music. was added to the Heaven Sent Gaming article (compare to archive)
LittleMissIndependent has added:
  • His music has been well received within the New Mexico music circles, but he is primarily known for performing Regional Mexican style music.[5]
Just like all the other socks, LittleMissIndependent professes surprise and confusion over why Heaven Sent Gaming isn't acceptable at Talk:El Gringo (musician). Grayfell (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Apologies for wrong venue, but at least related... but maybe it's time for heavensentgaming.com to be added to the spam filters as well. Can anyone point me to the right venue to request that? -- ferret (talk) 21:06, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's a good idea. I think MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed additions is the right place. Grayfell (talk) 03:53, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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17 March 2019

Suspected sockpuppets

Yet again, this account seems fixated on promoting the legitimacy of Heaven Sent Gaming as a source. After it was explained this was disruptive sock puppetry and time-sinking nonsense, 2600Texan says "That Heaven Sent Gaming issue sounds like a gigantic misunderstanding, and it should be worked out with them, sounds like both sites were dealing with spam." and "Heaven Sent Gaming is most certainly not spam, and they have many contact methods all over their site, contact them and work it out." Previous socks have encouraged editors to contact the site to clear this up (as seen here) although they never explain what that would accomplish.

Rambling sentences are standard with this sock. As with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven Sent Gaming, this editor seems to think any mention of Heaven Sent Gaming in any borderline source must indicate that it's a reliable source.

These accounts like to include stilted, and sometimes implausible, biographies on their userpages that mention where they are supposedly from. Compare "I'm a female Japanese-Canadian in Albuquerque, NM!", I am from China", "I'm a native Hawaiian!", "I have returned, after a great experience at the University of Oxford", and "NYC native, from the Bronx" to 2600Texan's: "Sandia Pueblo man living under the safety of the Lone Star."

This edit is the account acknowledging its IP address]. This sock-farm has used proxies in the past, such as the many IPs at the AFD. Grayfell (talk) 03:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I wasn’t notified that this was going on, so that’s lovely. I’m not a sockpuppet of Smile Lee, and from what I can see, there hasn’t been any sockpuppet related activity about this subject for years. After reading about this case, that I was dragged into by the way, I don’t believe Smile Lee was the one behind the sock puppetry to begin with.

I will debunk the accusations made above;

  • So far, every single talk page post by 2600Texan has defended Heaven Sent Gaming and/or Smile Lee. This is despite the mountains of evidence, use of proxies, and past check-user evidence. These soft-journalism stories do not demonstrate that this is a reliable source, btw, and posting a Linkedin profile speaks for itself.
To 2600Texan: If you're not Smile Lee, perhaps spend less time researching his site and reading his resume and social media. Presenting your findings on an obscure part of a website few people will read is not a productive use of anyone's time.
Free advice to Mr. Lucero: using a resume for badmouthing a previous position is considered a big red flag by prospective employers. Grayfell (talk) 02:59, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^ User:Grayfell This is a reasonable set of arguments on the present impasse.

A self-promotional LinkedIn profile is "proof" of absolutely nothing. Even if I accepted his claims of also facing spam, which I do not, that has nothing to do with his documented behavior on this website, which was deceptive and disruptive.
You came back to this page days later to respond to this, and again, literally every single talk page post you have made has gone to excessive lengths to defend Smile Lee and his website as a victim of a misunderstanding, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Grayfell (talk) 04:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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05 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Fairly clear case here. Two brand new accounts (and a few IPs) editing exclusively on pages related to New Mexico. The original "Guac" user has attempted to insert essay-like material on the New Mexico page, including links to pages they recently created, like here and here and here. After edit warring using IPs, the user likely created another account to make significant changes to the page, here. Novemberjazz 14:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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21 April 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

I think this farm is the same as Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JustMyOpiñon. The style, focus, and abuse of flimsy sources are all a far too similar for this to be a coincidence.

Overlapping articles or topics include:

ThePetroglyph and Asako Geeks like to quickly make short, fully-formed articles based on uneven sources. This matches both sock farms.

Many other edits are to articles which were spammed by IPs to add refs by Mario J. Lucero. His personal websites uses the name Heaven Sent Gaming, which has had to be salted due to behavior like this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven Sent Gaming (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Heaven Sent Gaming and so on. Smile Lee was the source of all of this.

Spam for Lucero/Heaven Sent Gaming added by IPs on articles later edited by ThePetroglyph:

ThePetroglyph directly added such a link when creating Bibliography of New Mexico.

Spam for Smile Lee directly added by Asako Geeks:

Spam from IP at article also edited by Asako Geeks:

JustMyOpiñon created Draft:New Mexico Piñon Coffee in 2018. ThePetroglyph precociously created both Piñon coffee and New Mexico Piñon Coffee back-to-back recently.

ThePetroglyph focuses on New Mexico-related culture, with specific interest in food (restaurants, specific agricultural goods, and commercial food companies) and New Mexican music. These were both JustMyOpiñon and Smile Lee's focus.

Asako Geeks focuses on Japanese topics, including Japanese restaurants and Japanese Country music. Smile Lee also edited this area. Mario Lucero has written for 'Tokyo Weekender', and Asako Geeks and IPs from an obviously related geolocation have been adding that link as refspam. In 2020, a Japanese editor asked on my talk page and on the Help desk regarding Smile Lee spam on the JP Wiki.

The stylistic similarities are also very clear from previous discussions with these socks. All of these accounts love using WP:WEASEL words as filler, for example, and also like sharing personal trivia in an oddly specific way. This matches past clumsy attempts at creating red herrings. I can provide examples, if necessary.

I have also raised this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Heaven Sent Gaming and aywv.art. Grayfell (talk) 04:41, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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