Denelson83 (a long-time contributor who insists on maintaining a red userpage) follows a number of unusual personal policies. Any 'negative' comments left on his userpage, for instance, are deleted, replaced with a red "General violation" or similar notice, and a matching notice (with descriptive text!) is placed on the talk page of the user whose comments were removed. You can find out a bit about the user from his talk page and contributions.
I don't have anything against idiosyncracies. I happen to make a point of leaving recent comments on my talk page, but know that negative comments on one's talk page can be a drag.
However, iMeowBot and I recently placed comments about a potential copyvio on his talk page (in response to a direct email from the alleged copyright holder!), and promptly found "general violation" notices on our own talk pages. Our comments were friendly, the response was unhelpful and nasty, and the whole leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. Denelson is an active contributor, but apparently not one for conversation; I'm uncertain how best to proceed, but would like this aggression towards people who contact him, to stop.
Here are the messages left on Denelson's page a few days back (both added at more or less the same time)
Victoria map heads up
Hi. This (http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-March/021457.html) message forwarded to wikien-l raises a question about the origin of Image:BCMap-doton-Victoria.png, and at a glance it seems to be in conflict with their policy (http://www.gov.bc.ca/bvprd/bc/content.do?brwId=@20IJ6%7C0YQtuW&navId=NAV_ID_province). If you can clear this up (both of you created the maps from the same data, they gave permission to use, whatever the situation is) before any drama ensues, that might be good. --iMb~Mw 04:59, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A line-map of BC that you uploaded seems like it might be a copyvio... or perhaps you and BC-Stats got it from the same source? bcstats.gov (http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/data/pop/maps/rdmap.htm) retains copyright on all its images. See Image:BCMap-doton-Victoria.png for more (and please reply there :)
Cheers, +sj + 05:02, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*** Notice of general violation ***
Your recent message to user "Denelson83" under the subject line of "Victoria map heads up" has been disregarded and deleted. The reason given was "Flagrancy re long-term issue". Messages to the aforementioned recipient causing general violations are not tolerated. Related information is at Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:No legal threats.
Do not post another such message on the recipient's talk page.
(see User talk:Denelson83 and its archives, or Denelson's edits to other user talk pages, for similar interactions)
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Also a sensitivity to the importance of watching for copyvios. Denelson himself has contributed entries to Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements, so I am surprised at this angry reaction, and the apparently random assignation of these friendly comments as "legal threats," a sure way to be unhelpful.
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--iMb~Mw 21:42, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) I'm signing this because I did get one of those loverly "general violation" notices, with the caveat that I really hope this is something that can be worked out with an arrangement agreeable to everyone. I'll add more below shortly.
And here we are below, with more! I did think it was weird to get warnings about Wikipedia's personal attacks and legal threats policies, when the note I left on Denelson83's talk page was clearly labeled as a heads-up that someone else was making a copyright claim and it might be good to clear things up before the wikien-l gang had a chance to make a dramatic episode of it. If anything, this "general violation" business made things worse, since sentiments on the list seemed to be sympathetic regarding the initial copyright question.
There are some things I think are important to note here. First, the mention of "involuntarily" caught my attention. That's a pretty serious bug, and I'm not sure that Wikipedia's dispute resolution process is a good way to deal with that. Second, Denelson83 left this bit of explanation of Oven Fresh's talk page: "Because I consider them to be negative criticism, and each incident of negative criticism feels like a very hard punch in my face. I still follow any directions I am given, but I just want to forget those moments." It's too bad that these things are seen as "instructions" but such is life.
And indeed, in the case of the BC maps, Denelson83 did remove or replace them.
Anyway, I think this whole thing can be put to rest simply enough if Denelson83 will refrain from posting the bogus "general violation" comments on other people's talk pages; and if comments on Denelson's own talk page are to be deleted, that it be deleted and not replaced with "general violation" commentary. --iMb~Mw 22:08, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Let me respond to this allegation:
1) I do not want to be seen as a criminal. If I upload any images and they end up flagged as copyright infringements, it ends up blackening my reputation on Wikipedia, not to mention causing my anxiety to drastically surge, because I interpret those "copyright infringement flags" as criminal indictments. How would you feel if you were accused of breaking the law, when you know that you did nothing wrong?
I am right now of the opinion that copyright infringement of rich media, such as pictures and music, is unpreventable. Look at file sharing, for example. Rampant copyright infringement takes place on all the major file-sharing networks, and the paths of recourse the MPAA and RIAA have for trying to shut such activity down are very limited, if not non-existent. Unfortunately, nobody can control what happens on the Internet, and copyright infringement is generally unpunishable on the Internet, unless there happened to be some sort of international DMCA-like copyright treaty, which I do not believe exists at this time. So I am sorry, but copyrighted images will keep appearing on Wikipedia, with many people uploading them not bothering to pay attention to copyright policy, and every single one of those images is present as a result of the "fair use" tenet. People do not cite the sources of those images, because they think of that directive as superfluous, and there is nothing anyone here can possibly do about it, not even me.
2) The "general violation" messages were attempts, albeit aggressive attempts, to discourage people from suspecting me of repeatedly committing wikicrimes such as infringing on copyrights or attempting to incite edit wars, allegations of which having made up a significant part of the messages I have historically received on my talk page. As of now (02:34, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)), the "general violation" messages will stop, as their purpose has been replaced by the "wikimood" template at the top of my talk page (the purpose of which I explained on the Village Pump, and which any other Wikipedian may also use).
Also, because of the volatility that I see within myself, I see no choice but to refrain from starting conversations with other Wikipedians, for fear that I may immediately lose my hard-to-keep sense of civility.
And as for my contributions to Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements, among other things, now you see me as being a hypocrite, but those contributions were completely random, just like my contributions to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion and other project pages. I was only trying to help the project any way that I practically could, and now see where it has gotten me.
Maybe I should go on a wikivacation, and see if this issue can settle down by the time I get back...
-A scared Denelson83
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Since this unfortunate incident, I have since offered an apology to User:Sj, and intend to offer a similar apology to User:IMeowbot upon learning that he or she is still active on Wikipedia. Denelson83 06:51, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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