November 16

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 16, 2022.

Ver.1.01

• Ver.1.01 → Nikon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Very ambiguous name; hardly specific to Nikon. The reason this redirect was created was because of some file metadata links in Commons (eg here). ${\displaystyle M_{101}^{atr1x-))$ {_user^page! | _t^a_l^k!} 22:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kriyayoga

• Kriyayoga → Classes of Tantra in Tibetan Buddhism#Nyingma classification  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I redirected Kriyayoga to Kriya (disambiguation) as I consider the term to be ambiguous, consistent with Kriya Yoga which also redirects there (because I swapped Kriya (disambiguation) and Kriya Yoga). @The Banner: reverted so that it points to Classes of Tantra in Tibetan Buddhism#Nyingma classification (an entry on the disambiguation page) with edit comment "linking to a disambig page is not a good idea". So, is "Kriyayoga" ambiguous and/or where should the redirect target? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At least the creation of 200+ links to disambiguation pages is not a good idea. The Banner talk 18:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Due to perhaps hundreds of links going to this redirect. I switch my vote to Neutral since I am not sure either to delete or keep. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 21:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Just because many links link to Kriyayoga does not mean it's at the right target. If this were to be retargeted, someone (I could do it if the decision goes that way, just ping me) can use AWB to replace [[Kriyayoga]] with [[Classes of Tantra in Tibetan Bhuddism#Nyingma classifiation|Kriyayoga]]. Having said that, hundreds of links to the specified target is generally rare when it is not WP:PTOPIC, but not unheard of. TartarTorte 22:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is mainly caused by a template. The Banner talk 09:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Try again?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Diverging Diamond ^{To the left! To the right!} 21:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore previous target to Kriya (disambiguation) per nom, which is consistent with the other similar redirect at Kriya Yoga; and I concur with the nom that this redirect is rather ambiguous, so it's better to have this target there instead. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:17, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget this and Kriya Yoga to Yoga Sutras of Patanjali#Kriya Yoga? Ideally this should be a standalone article though. Jay 💬 15:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to the dab page. The current target is a rather obscure topic in Tibetan Tantrism. Kriya Yoga school alone is several orders of magnitude more popular and could have easily been the primary topic itself if weren't for the broad article at Kriya. – Uanfala (talk) 19:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: After the 2nd relist, multiple different options for retargeting were presented. At this point, consensus is still unclear.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Curved line & Linear curve

• Curved line → Curve  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Linear curve → Line (geometry)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Between the two targets mention in these redirects, it is not clear which one of the two targets these redirection target. The article Line (geometry) states that a line can be "straight" or "curved". However, the article Curve states that an alternate name for the subject is "curved line". For these reasons, it is unclear if these redirects should target different targets, target the same target, or just straight up deleted per WP:XY. Steel1943 (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Curved line and delete Linear curve: The first one occurs in the first line of the target article; the second one does not appear in any of the targets, and, as far as I know, is not used in mathematics. I guess that some editor has been confused by the fact that the graph of a function is a curve, and the graph of a linear function is a line. D.Lazard (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep both. A curved line is a curve. A linear curve is another term for a straight line (see e.g. doi:10.1063/1.463178 [1]), which redirects to line (geometry). It's a term mostly encountered in curve fitting contexts, where a first degree curve is a linear curve, second degree curve is a quadratic, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Human energy field

• Human energy field → Aura (paranormal)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Vague redirect. For one, auras are not limited to humans. Also, humans may also have and/or generate other "energy fields" listed at Energy field at various times, including Electromagnetic field and Gravitational field. Steel1943 (talk) 15:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a better target? As near as I can figure, the aura is a visible manifestation of the human energy field. (Note that both are fictive religious concepts, but that's a different discussion. I just want to make it clear I'm not a believer. I don't want my reputation or scientific credibility endangered.) The HEF suffers from a "lack of evidence to support the concept of the HEF as a phenomenon".[2] The same could be said of the aura. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the issue I'm stating in my nomination statement. What I'm stating is that the phrase could be considered ambiguous, and thus has no specific target. In other words, I believe deletion is the best option for this redirect so readers can figure out what they're trying to look for it they search this term. Steel1943 (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Electromagnetic field and Gravitational field are about scientific concepts, not paranormal, spiritual, alternative medicine, or religious concepts. They should be ignored. The "energy fields" listed at Energy field are what we're talking about, and Aura (paranormal) is the one most closely related, so, as a directly related topic, the redirect serves a purpose. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  (edit conflict) Electromagnetic field and Gravitational field are about scientific concepts, not paranormal, spiritual, alternative medicine, or religious concepts". That's good to know, but the statement is sort of a red herring to the issue I stated since the title of the redirect does not make it clear it is supposed to exclude anything in particular other than anything non-human, and I've already stated that Electromagnetic field and Gravitational field could be related to humans as humans have those as well. (Humans' "fields" may not be a strong as other objects' electromagnetic fields and gravitational fields, but humans do have them.) Without there being any evidence that the phrase "human energy field" is a term that specifically refers to anything, the phrase as worded is vague for the reasons I already stated. Steel1943 (talk) 17:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Energy field#Pseudoscience as an ((R from ambiguous term)). Seems pretty vague...any of those seem like reasonable targets, and this at least gets the user in the ballpark. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Though I prefer deletion over this option per my aforementioned statements, it would probably be better to scrap the section redirect on this option and retarget straight to Energy field since the linked section doesn't contain all aforementioned articles/subjects, but rather supports the current status quo. Steel1943 (talk) 18:15, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Home Video Computer

• Home Video Computer → Nintendo Entertainment System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Family Computer → Nintendo Entertainment System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Family Computer → Nintendo Entertainment System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  _Withdrawn

Could also refer to a Personal computer or perhaps even a Laptop. Sure the NES is officially called The Family Computer but it could also refer to any other family oriented computer too. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Even if it was useful when created, it isn't now. MarcGarver (talk) 14:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Family Computer and The Family Computer since neither a personal computer nor a laptop would be correctly called Family Computer in title case. Delete Home Video Computer as not mentioned at the target. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:39, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep Family Computer, it's a common enough term and occasionally used in place of "Famicom" e.g. "Family Computer Disk System". Delete the other two. MightyArms (talk) 03:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: It seems like there is a lot of objection to delete/retarget the Family computer redirect so I will Withdraw those redirects. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 13:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Note that the nom withdrew The Family Computer but then reverted it with comment I’ll unwithdraw The Family Computer redirect. Jay 💬 08:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Home Video Computer to the best if my knowledge thr NES has never been referred to a such and Home video has a meaning that is separate from video games.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 19:43, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Home Video Computer but add mention as a product code. [3] The mention would be needed if it is to be kept at HVC (disambiguation) AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of ancient Jedi

• List of ancient Jedi → List of Star Wars characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect is fully protected due to page history. Due to the subject matter, I am requesting that this page be redirected to Jedi#Jedi Archives, as that is the closest place I can find that discusses the ancient Jedi. The list of Star Wars characters page does not do so. If anyone has a better suggestion, that would be great. I submitted an edit request, but I was turned down and told to come here. Gotta love bureaucracy complicating simple requests. TNstingray (talk) 13:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DIALECT

• MOS:DIALECT → Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was created, with good intentions, as a synonym for MOS:ENGVAR, but it's really not a good idea, because the word dialect implies regional, subnational language patterns, and ENGVAR is meant to operate only at a national level -- we don't, for example, recognize articles as being written in Southern US dialect. EEng 05:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Juvinile Orion

• Juvinile Orion → Juvenile Orion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect has received 126 views in the last 7 years, probably mostly from people scanning for the typo "juvinile", as this is the only result. It seems unlikely that this redirect is of much help to anyone. An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 03:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hitler's dinner

• Hitler's dinner → Adolf Hitler and vegetarianism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a plausible search term. The article is about Hitler being a vegetarian near the end of his life, not about any specific dinner or meal. MB 03:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It was created a couple of months ago and most days it doesn't get a single hit(ler). Betty Logan (talk) 04:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 congress election

• 2022 congress election → 2022 Indian National Congress presidential election  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Indian was not the only place with congressional elections in 2022. With the capitalization, it is not clear this means National Congress which is still ambiguous. Delete as too vague. MB 02:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as ambiguous. This could easily refer to the recent U.S. midterms, which would actually be the more likely target IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:55, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mud monsters

• Mud monsters → List of Ninjago characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mentioned in target. Delete per WP:ASTONISH. "Mud monster" is used in various articles, I think mostly to refer to a monster made from mud, but I don't see a better target. MB 02:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It has no specific meaning in this show. I wrote the main series article and I have no idea what this refers to. Fieryninja (talk) 08:15, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Horizon (IT system)

• Horizon (IT system) → British Post Office scandal#Horizon computer system  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect may be either ambiguous or unclear, but not sure which one (if any). For one, there could be subjects mentioned at Horizon (disambiguation)#Computers and computer science which could be referred to as an "IT system", but I'm not sure. For two, in my time and experience with redirect maintenance, this is the first time I've ever seen the disambiguator "IT system", so I'm not sure if it's meant to represent anything specific that could not also be called "software". However, this redirect does have incoming links that specifically refer to the subject identified by the target of this redirect. So, all in all ... not sure which is the best course here ("retarget to Horizon (disambiguation)#Computers and computer science", "keep", "delete"). Steel1943 (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This depends if (IT system) will ever be a useful disambiguator. Horizon IT system may be more appropriate for a redirect. No other notable Horizon IT systems to disambiguate. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 01:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Liangpiao

• Liangpiao → Grain rationing in China  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in article. Term means "ration coupon", not specifically for grain ([4]). Recommend Delete. MB 01:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]