February 21

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 21, 2016.

Nonnes Preestes Tale of the Cok and the Hen, Chauntecleer and Pertelote

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Highly unlikely typos of Nun's Priest Tale of the Cock and the Hen. (Neelix redirect) MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:30, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Then again, this transcript has it simply as "The Nonnes Preestes Tale." -- Tavix (talk) 22:05, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See my comment above. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also added to the article with ref just now. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tavix: hmm, I just saw your source, it's the same one as mine as it happens, but a different page. I'm going to ping some WikiProjects for interpretation. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect references the title given to the work in the original manuscripts, in its original language (Middle English). Thus it is not novel, nor an unrelated foreign language, nor a typo or misnomer.
It probably cannot be considered obscure as this title is used (as a subtitle) in Benson's Riverside Chaucer, which is widely used, and the preferred edition of the Canterbury Tales task force.
However, the usefulness and validity of the redirect can still be questioned. These manuscript titles may or may not be authorial; certainly the spellings aren't. Benson's subtitle is based on the Ellesmere manuscript, but cleans it up with a capital "T" and comma; both differ from the Hengwrt manuscript. But these are just the most important of around 80 manuscripts which probably have dozens of variations, all presumably non-authorial.
  • Benson: "the Nonnes Preestes Tale of the Cok and Hen, Chauntecleer and Pertelote"
  • Ellesmere: "the Nonnes Preestes tale of the Cok and Hen Chauntecleer and Pertelote"
  • Hengwrt: "the Nonnes preestes tale of the Cok / and Hen / Chauntecler and Pertelote"
Should these all be redirects? For each, do we need a version with and without an initial (uncapitalized) "the"? Surely not. For reasons like this, scholars, students, and readers tend to stick with the certainly non-authorial but traditional "The Nun's Priest's Tale". Similarly (pace MrLinkinPark333), I have previously objected to these manuscript titles being included in the lead paragraphs of the Tale articles because they give an "inauthentic air of authenticity". Hope that helps... though I trust it didn't! Phil wink (talk) 17:38, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Phil wink: thank you kindly, actually that helps quite a lot. You described very good reasons why the article should be at the title where it is. We generally (hopefully) subscribe to the idea in this forum that the existence of a certain redirect does not prescribe the creation of others, and that redirects are cheap so their existence (or not) is mostly inconsequential, so as long as it is reasonably accurate and points to the right article (both true, I think) then there isn't a reason to delete. And at the same time there isn't a reason to create the others, although if someone did it would hardly break things. If you wanted to revert my addition of the full title to the article, given this detail, I would be fine with it. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Πεδία

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This Neelix redirect doesn't seem useful. It's a partial match of Hλύσιον πεδίον, and Google Translate says Πεδία translates to fields. If a user was using this redirect, I believe they'd be looking for field/fields, not Elysium Fields. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:22, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Fuck God

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G10, by RHaworth. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure of the utility of this redirect. The term is not mentioned anywhere on the target article and it may also fall afoul of WP:RFD#D3. clpo13(talk) 19:26, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Women issues

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This seems over the line NPOV to me JZCL 18:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Slatish gray

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G6, by Sphilbrick. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, "slatish"? Si Trew (talk) 17:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for combining for me. I've sent a lot of others to CSD, but was not so confident with these. Si Trew (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Menotti

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. Since this isn't a redirect, it is outside the jurisdiction of RFD. Any further comments can be made at the talk page. Good job creating the name index! (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for discussion.

Apparently this was a redirect to the composer [[Gian Carlo Menotti|Gian Carlo Menotti]], Italian-American composer and librettist. However there are at least 3 people and a draft being written to whom this could apply. It's not that I want to delete the redirect - I've boldly turned it into a disambiguation but I am not sure where/how I should have discussed it first - if it was causing errors in redirects it shouldn't go back to the composer only but I also didn't want to leave it blank...What should I do/have done? - I've added this comment to the talk page as well 🍺 Antiqueight chat 16:32, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Beat me to it, just check and fix What Links Here. You can use ((surname)) on the DAB. But if one person is patently primary topic, put the DAB at Menotti (surname) and a ((redirect)) hatnote on the target. Si Trew (talk) 17:24, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All looks good, yeah. I see no evidence that any of these persons are the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Menotti", and for what it's worth the person being written about at Draft:Menotti appears to be entirely non-notable. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:29, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Redviolets

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The result of the discussion was delete both. JohnCD (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix redirects) the first was declined at CSD, though many other fused adjectives for this target that I proposed at CSD were accepted.

Delete per WP:RFD#D2, not at target; I don't think in the plural this is close enough to be anything but WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Bluerinse

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted as WP:G7 Just Chilling (talk) 17:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete as WP:RFD#D2 per WP:XY, or retarget to Blue rinse as ((R from other punctuation)). The target seems the most used in sources, so we could hatnote it, but that's not necessarily very prominent on a list, so perhaps it's better to delete it and let search do it. Si Trew (talk) 13:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reddish-gray

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The result of the discussion was delete all that have not already been speedied. JohnCD (talk) 22:46, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This one's a bit like #Orangeish-brown, below. Delete per WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target, WP:XY; WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. The target has swatches for grey (with the British spelling) and brown, but not red; it refers to Russet (color) as a reddish-brown, but it's hard to see why it has the swatch for grey at all.

We have the reddish-gray musk shrew, the reddish-gray mouse lemur (which is also known as gray-brown), and the reddish-grey bat, but not the reddish-gray seal. Si Trew (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A Seal brown (horse) specifically lacks a reddish tint, whereas a bay (horse) has a reddish-brown colour, so the lede says. I've no idea where the gray comes into it with this one. Si Trew (talk) 12:56, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We also have the Grey red-backed vole (note the position of the hyphen). Si Trew (talk) 13:15, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Brown-orange

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The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete, G6 by User:Anthony_Bradbury Lenticel (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:RFD#D2 confusing per WP:XYZ, not mentioned at target and these are by no means synonymous. The target's lede actually says that mahogony (color) is reddish brown. Si Trew (talk) 10:25, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed 2017 'In/Out' Referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union

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Orangeish brown

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is pedantic, but that's "orangish brown"; other sites do however use "orangeish brown", such as this one for the Web color.
Perhaps best to delete it, then, per WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, or WP:REDLINK, since if it's a well-defined Web color (not just someone's arbitrary name for it) then it will have well-known RGB/HSB/CMYK values etc. (I just hope that orangeish brown and orangish brown are the same thing.)
I guess these originate from the redirect Orange-brown (or Orange brown) which also go to the same place, and there are lots-o-other variations; I've added them to this nom, @CoffeeWithMarkets: I hope that my doing so doesn't distort your comment above. I sent Brownishorange and Orangeishbrown straight to CSD (same target). Si Trew (talk) 10:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Orangeishly

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by someone Legacypac (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC) "someone" is Sphilbrick btw Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Delete as WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target; WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Essentially a Neelix redirect, but it has one edit to rcat it as ((R from ambiguous page)) so I hesitate to take it to CSD. Si Trew (talk) 08:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly not helpful to point it at a DAB. Could go to Orange (colour) on the model of Reddishly, Blueishly, etc. The uses are usually in adjective phrases (reddishly brown, and so on), and normally we prefer nouns as titles; but colours are (usually) adjectives themselves, and it's ok to string together an adjective phrase by putting nonfinal adjectives into adverb form. Si Trew (talk) 10:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Blackish orange

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The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by User:Sphilbrick. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix redirect). Delete, WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. I've taken Orangeish-black to CSD, and perhaps should have done with this one, but too late now as listing it here gives it history (or does that not count?) Si Trew (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Blackish

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to DAB as an alternative to WP:RFD#D1, hinders search. There are several partial title matches for "Blackish", which the presence of this redirect makes it unreasonably difficult to find.

Usually I would say that a DAB would seem unnecessary; the search would do it; but since black-ish is "camped" here as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC I think we might need a DAB. There is a hatnote at the target to shades of black, which in turn hatnotes to black, but neither includes a hatnote to blackish (disambiguation), probably because we don't have it.

I've drafted a DAB under the redirect, but I'm undecided whether to have it here at blackish or at blackish (disambiguation), if at all. It depends, really, on whether black-ish is really the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for blackish. The half-dozen internal links think it is. Si Trew (talk) 07:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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