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File:The tollet.gif

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The result of the discussion was: Delete - but only after I save a copy. There are certain kinds of things that are so stupid that they're actually quite funny ([1]). King of ♠ 00:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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OR, UE. WP:NOTHOST  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:The unstoppable six.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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OR, UE  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC) delete Unused pointless image--Breawycker (talk to me!) 11:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:FrederickIIofPrussia.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 08:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:FrederickIIofPrussia.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jengod (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image under same name exists on Commons in full color, and higher res, compared to this lo-res B/W version. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:HH caveman.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F7 by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:HH caveman.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Briantist (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image with no rationale nor reason apart from illustration. Fails WP:NFCC#8 - adds little to reader's understanding of the topic. Peripitus (Talk) 14:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Shooty and bang bang.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Image with no rationale nor reason apart from illustration. Fails WP:NFCC#8 - adds little to reader's understanding of the topic. Peripitus (Talk) 14:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Tin pei ling new paper.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep for The New Paper as a sample cover. Remove use from Tin Pei Ling. King of ♠ 00:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tin pei ling new paper.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by La goutte de pluie (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFC#UUI. Picture of someone still alive. The likely defence here is WP:NFCI, that this is of historical importance, which I dispute. Further, the fair use rationale is horribly POV ("illustrate the sensationalistic press") and I dispute the claim that "this would not be possible with mere text", because quite clearly the text that is used in the headline can be quoted and attributed. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 15:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is also being used as the example cover for The New Paper as an example of its sensationalist style. The headline can be quoted, but actually it is not about Tin Pei Ling's photo, but capturing the impact on the average Singaporean during the height of the campaigning, i.e. a historical moment. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 17:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that newspaper front pages are historical moments, seems like a very weak fair use claim. It is also being used in two articles which seems incorrect also. Off2riorob (talk) 17:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Except in this case, it's notable, because even the government press commented on the online reaction. (The TNP is a government newspaper). (See: a similar image used in Singapore general election, 2006 representing bloggers.) Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 19:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, see the image used in The Daily Mail. This is similar. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 04:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but the difference there is that the pic is in the infobox of the article about the paper which is regularly used like that. All the uses that I have seen like this where they are used in another article allegedly top add detail to a historic event have been deleted, using a picture of a newspaper like this is a dubious fair use rationalle. - irreplaceable - no, its more than enough to say, the paper is sensationalist or whatever it is your using the picture to assert. Off2riorob (talk) 10:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's a valid fair use claim for The New Paper, at least; for Tin Pei Ling it is historically significant in part because the government press is responding to opposition remarks on "alternative media" they previously didn't recognise. The role of the press is a central issue of the election. Let me remind you, the press freedom in Singapore is #136 in the world. In the US, this would not be a historically significant cover. It would just be another scandal. In Singapore, it is significant in so far as the government tries to suppress dissent. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 14:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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File:The New Paper Gay MP.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 09:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:The New Paper Gay MP.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by La goutte de pluie (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per above.

Fails WP:NFC#UUI. Picture of someone still alive. The likely defence here is WP:NFCI, that this is of historical importance, which I dispute. Further, quite clearly the text that is used in the headline can be quoted and attributed, and there is no need for the actual image — which isn't low-resolution as claimed at all. 754x964 is pretty damn good for a newspaper image. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 15:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not being used in the article for the SDP candidate, but rather the consequence of his attacker's criticisms on the article discussing his attacker. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 17:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the image is not being used at all. Right now, regardless of what happens here, the image as an orphaned fair use image. Sven Manguard Wha? 08:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I plan to add this at Singapore general election, 2011 discussing the gay agenda issue. It was taken off Balakrishnan's biography. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 10:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


For the two images let me emphasise that the purpose of the two images is not merely to discuss the issues contained in the covers, but to talk about the covers themselves and to talk about press coverage during the election. Singapore does not have a free press. The images add to commentary on the government's bias or style in coverage that mere text cannot. I do intend to use these images later on to discuss press coverage during the election (using new sources for political analysis). This would strengthen the claims to fair use. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 14:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined to keep this image as long as it is used in the said article(s). It is indeed true that it is difficult to illustrate the extent to which the issue was blown way out of proportion by the said tabloid without showing the way it was being "publicised" on the front page. So may I suggest that Elle go ahead and write that section in the article (you may wish to add it under an issues section...I will assist in the page's organisation later) and we will judge its usefulness accordingly.--Huaiwei (talk) 19:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned Acather96 (talk) 19:33, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, unencyclopedic, unidentifiable subject. Acather96 (talk) 19:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Guyana splenders.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, unidentifiable location Acather96 (talk) 20:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete as failing NFCC#8 (image does not significantly add to reader's understanding) - Peripitus (Talk) 11:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tom's HoosierMate.com profile.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by NetflixSoup (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free screenshot in a TV episode infobox. Shows a detail of a scene whose visual information value is extremely low. No Indication how the visual presence of this image is necessary to understand the article Fut.Perf. 20:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you know of another image that would better represent the episode, please let me know. Otherwise, I think the image should stay. NetflixSoup (talk) 13:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. When will this finally sink in? We don't routinely use non-free images to "represent" an episode. We use images only if and when there is a pressing need to do so in the context of making a specific point of sourced, non-trivial critical analysis understood. There is no blanket allowance of one image per episode article. Fut.Perf. 21:01, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Parks and recreation eagleton.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Parks and recreation eagleton.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Hunter Kahn (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free screenshot in a TV episode infobox. While the scene shown (two female protagonists engaged in a physical fight on top of some garbage bags) is the object of some discussion in the article, it does not appear the visual presence of the image is needed to understand the article. In fact, the verbal description I just gave above offers an exhaustive and more than adequate equivalent of the information value of this image. Fut.Perf. 20:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:JasminumSambac 2 years old.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Moved to Commons: File:Jasminum sambac 2 years old.jpg. King of ♠ 05:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, unencyclopedic due to unidentifiable subject Acather96 (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Persian Gulf by Gamal Abdel Nasser.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Persian Gulf by Gamal Abdel Nasser.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Wayiran (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image of an historical written document, used to demonstrate a certain of word choice in the text shown. Fails NFCC#8: we don't use non-free images to prove historical facts. We use reliable sources for that purpose. If it is a significant historical fact that somebody used a certain word in a certain text, cite a reliable source that says he did so. We don't need to see an image to understand this. Fut.Perf. 20:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

wp:NFCC#8 states that: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." It does not mention anything about the avoidance of the use of non-free images for proving historical facts. As per wp:NFCC#8 it can be understood that the presence of image should have a significant effect in understanding of the reader and its omission prevents him from this understanding. The article in which the image is used is Persian Gulf naming dispute, so it is about the dispute on its naming. If you read the contents of that article it is mentioned that the use of "Arabian gulf" came into existence as a result of Gamal Abdel Nasser's pan-Arabist methods. So here we have a historical document which approves the same. It shows that even the Gamal Abdel Nasser, himself was using the name "Persian gulf" before adopting his pan-Arabist ideas for renaming it into the "Arabian gulf". So in such a critical case, the presence of that historical document has a significant effect on readers understanding about how the distortion of name took place. Note that the main topic of the article is about the naming dispute. So the presence of such image increases the understanding of reader significantly. There is no mention about avoidance of the use of historical documents, but the only thing that is mentioned is increasing the understanding significantly, which it does. I couldn't see any contradiction between that wp:NFCC#8 and the rationale of this image. If I'm wrong please justify me. Thank you. --Wayiran (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you are saying this is wp:OR, we can support the same by reliable sources. But still the presence of this document, increases the reader's understanding about the fact. --Wayiran (talk) 21:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, no, it doesn't. 99% of our readers won't even be able to read it anyway. The only thing they need to understand the thing is a textual description quoting, in translation, what he actually said. The visual appearance of the telegram is entirely irrelevant to the point being made. Fut.Perf. 21:26, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. The majority of readers can't understand what is written there. But anyway when there is a copy of the original document there, its just like more confidence about the reliability of the mentioned document; in this way it will increase their understanding. Also we can underline the part written Persian gulf, and in caption say that the underlined part is "Persian gulf". You might be right, but what I feel overall is that it will somehow increase the understanding of it's readers. Thanks anyway --Wayiran (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • A sitting president's sealed/stamped letter is an official document of the state no matter how you spin it. The "etc" in front of official documents applies here, or you'd have to prove otherwise. There is no restrictions or qualifications listed for official documents, or you'd need to prove that, the "etc" does not cover all official documents of the state. The law says "such as", not "limited to". The other items listed in paranthes are merely examples of what in official document might be, not a condition of exclusivity, the "etc" covers other items such as the head of the state's letter. --Wayiran (talk) 08:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this is an issue, which it looks like it might be, take it to WP:MCQ. Let a neutral expert sort it out. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's a great suggestion. I'll post a RFC there tomorrow. --Wayiran (talk) 20:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Aaron.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F4 by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 08:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Aaron.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Simpe11 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Completely bonked upload history with multiple unrelated images uploaded on top of each other without copyright information. Only the very first, from 2007, ever had a plausible author/copyright statement, but that image was an unencyclopedic photograph of a non-notable kid used only in a short-lived A7/attack page. All later images were uploaded over it without making any change to the copyright declaration and are most likely copyvios. Oh yes, and the second upload, the one that was in use for much of the time until today, was uploaded by an editor who was later blocked as a serial copyvio offender, so it's probably bad too. Fut.Perf. 20:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F7 by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-free TV episode screenshot. Apparently random scene, not embedded in analytical commentary, not needed to understand the article. Fails NFCC#8, just like so many others. Fut.Perf. 21:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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OR, UE. Someone's wedding photos WP:NOTHOST, also
File:ThesaBgirls.jpg and
File:Darylllbryant.jpg
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File:Portalgame.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Kept. Relevant and informative to the article. --Hadal (talk) 23:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Portalgame.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Tyro (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This image is no longer warranted. This image is redundant to the other three images- portals are illustrated by the diagram and the portrait, the graphics are shown by the portrait and the cube is shown by the merch image. The image is no longer used where it was; it is now simply tacked on to the plot section. J Milburn (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:ANTFarmCast.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Kept - Peripitus (Talk) 11:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:ANTFarmCast.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by DisneyFriends (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

per WP:FILMNFI since it lacks significance to justify fair use. This is only a portrait of the main characters of the well-known television series, and adds nothing to readers' understanding of the article. Sbtdu (talk) 22:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other Disney Channel Original Series pages have the same images released by Disney. It seem as if this user has been on my case about this one image for no apparent reason ever since I uploaded it. I say keep it. --DisneyFriends (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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