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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Turk yerlesim.jpg ‎

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Maxim (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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delete per nom. These maps are designed to hide Kurdish areas of the region. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ellipi. --Kurdo777 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment; by your argument whole of Anatolia is in the scope of the map for Iranic languages, since Iranic languages are spoken in every region of Anatolia. Ellipi (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably true only if you include recent internal migration, which is normally kept separate in maps of this sort. We are talking about autochthonous settlement areas, primarily. On that account, Kurdish would probably be restricted to the southeast. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There is no doubt that Turkic is the last linguistic group spoken in Anatolia. Iranian languages predate Turkish by thousands of years. Ellipi (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the point. The criterion for these kinds of demographic maps is whether there have been stable, local language communities, i.e. significant numbers of settlements that have been traditionally X-speaking (for more than a couple generations). Kurdish in SE Turkey and (presumably) Turkoman in Iraq would count as such, while individual migration into urban centers within the last one or two generations, such as Kurds in western Anatolia or Turks in western Europe, doesn't. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kurdish and other Iranian language have been spoken in western Anatolia for more than two generations. Ellipi (talk) 10:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By individual migrants, sure, but by whole settled stable village communities? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are for example significant Kurdish communities in Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir. Ellipi (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and those are recent, as far as I know. With the bulk of internal migration only in the 1980s. How many were there before that? There is something usually described as the traditional settlement area of Kurds in Turkey, Turkish Kurdistan, and that is somewhere else. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The map does not even respect the traditional Kurdish area in eastern, southeastern, southern and central-eastern Anatolia, let alone in western areas. Ellipi (talk) 10:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? Didn't I just explain to you that this map isn't about the Kurdish areas at all? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By your argument this map [File:Moderniranianlanguagesmap.jpg] too, should be altered, as whole of Iran lies in the scope of Iranian languages, (Persian). Ellipi (talk) 11:00, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In principle, showing Persian as the national language as the whole country would be legitimate, yes. Only, in this case it would hide important other information, because (unlike in the Turkish example) the map needs to show several different Iranian languages within that territory. That's why that map is more informative the way it is now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What are your talking about? which map is informative? Ellipi (talk) 11:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Iranian one, with its representation of several related Iranian languages within the territory of Iran. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Finally which one is your conclussion: A) to add Persian to other non-Iranic speaking areas in Iran B) or to remove Turkish from east and southeastern Anatolia, northern Iraq/Syria, and northeastern Iran? Ellipi (talk) 11:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My conclusion is to judge each map in its own rights, according to its individual needs and scope They are both okay as they are (with minor factual reservations about the Turkish one, as explained above.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good. There is already, two maps, one for Turkic languages where they are official: [1], and the other for Turkic inhabited areas: [2]. Hence I think there is no need for the three maps created by user maverick 16, which confuses both. Ellipi (talk) 11:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That, at last, is a sensible argument. But that still doesn't mean we'd need to delete it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are a lot of obsolete and wrong maps for Turkic languages/inhabited areas on wiki. I believe all must be deleted. Ellipi (talk) 11:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Turkic language map3.png

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The result of the discussion was: - Deleted as a bit-for-bit copy of the image in the below discussion - Peripitus (Talk) 06:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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delete per nom. Unacademic map. These maps are designed to hide Kurdish areas of the region. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ellipi. --Kurdo777 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is nobody to hide on those lands Maverick16 (talk) 00:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkic language speaking.PNG

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The result of the discussion was: - No Consensus, and noted that as of now the image is used. The accuracy or use of this image is an editorial issue that must be sorted out at Talk:Turkic_peoples#New_Map_of_Turkic_languages - Peripitus (Talk) 06:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Turkic language speaking.PNG (for deletion/2009 March 11]] delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Maverick16 (notify | contribs).

delete per nom. Unacademic map. These maps are designed to hide Kurdish areas of the region. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ellipi. --Kurdo777 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KeepHave you ever been on those lands.. there are big ammount of people speaking Turkish in iran and northern iraq.Maverick16 (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment: Yes. I've been. But what about Iranian Azarbaijan? There are a lot of Persians and others there. Ellipi (talk) 09:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment: I have been too. And there are big numbers of turkish on those lands. Persian, Arabic and Kurdish are speaking but Turkish also speaking by turkomans. And this map shows the truth where Turkic language is speaking. It has to be kept.Maverick16 (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

keep per Maverick16 Oguzhan620 (talk) 00:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G12 by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete - fails WP:NFCC#1 as replaceable with a free alternative - Peripitus (Talk) 06:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G8 by BrownHairedGirl (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete - fails WP:NFCC#8 - Peripitus (Talk) 06:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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