List of Manchester United F.C. managers

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 10 days, 7 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am submitting this list for featured status as I believe it meets all the required criteria. The list has been through the Peer Review process, the results of which can be found here. All comments will be dealt with as promptly as possible. Thanks. – Pee Jay 01:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Having seen this at PR, I will immediately Support on one minor proviso, which I can't believe wasn't picked up a PR~~

Everything now fully in order, this was already excellent at PR stage. So fully Support. Peanut4 (talk) 10:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I presume the spells for Matt Busby, 1945-1969 and 1970-1971 in the lead ought to have endashes. Peanut4 (talk) 01:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed they should. Cheers for pointing those out. – Pee Jay 01:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from That Ramblin' Guy

Comments
- Still not sure why you have [11] and [23] references next to manager names when you have a reference column. It'd look neater to keep all references in one place would it not?
  - Not done Because they're footnotes rather than references, i.e. they're just little asides that it wouldn't have been appropriate to include in the main text.
    - Hmm. Footnotes/references all appear in the same section. Why distinguish? Why put a footnote next to the name rather than in the ref column? Little aside or not it looks odd putting them next to the name, seems inconsistent to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Fair enough. Done – Pee Jay 21:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What happened to the club between Sept and Oct 10, 1903, and Aug 21, 1912 & Oct 12, 1912?
  - Done There is no information on who was manager from September 1903 to October 1903, so I think we should just assume that the club was managerless for this period. As for August to October 1912, I found a mention of a T. J. Wallworth who was the club's acting secretary from September to October 1912.
- Why not specify exactly which league championships/FA Cups won by each manager?
  - Not done Because I feel it would take up too much space for the more successful managers. However, if you think it would be a good idea to include them anyway, please say.
    - I think, perhaps, you have a unique situation where you have one or two VERY successful managers and not a lot else, and this would result in it taking up a lot of space. I won't fall on my sword for it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- MUFC manager template says Albut started 1892. The table says (n/a). Consistency required.
  - Done Yeah, I've changed that in the table, and I've also changed the lead to reflect the fact that no-one seems to know who the manager/secretary was from 1878 to 1892.
- Fergie won Charity Shields and Community Shields. Needs reflecting.
  - Done Added a footnote to reflect this, but it could do with a rewrite. I drew a blank when writing it, so I don't think it reads too well.
- "...a feat that no other manager has yet achieved with the same club. " is uncited.
  - Done Found a reference for that. Even though it's a few years old, I think it's still good.

Hope these make sense. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have responded to your comments. Looking forward to your replies. – PeeJay 20:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Good stuff thus far, just one more thing, Wallworth's nationality is blank. Surely either (n/a) or the real thing? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done – Pee Jay 21:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - great, great work. Really well done. My points were all minor and very well dealt with, I really like the expanded text versus other FLC's, I'll try to do the same myself in future. Well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - consider making sure that you don't wikilink the same subject twice in a short space e.g. Manchester United F.C. linked in both paras 1 & 2 of the lead-in. And I always find it unnecessary to double-link external links, in fact it borders on promotional - if they want to access the homepage of the external site, they can do it from the link itself, e.g.

Managers at ManUtd.com

Otherwise, very good article/list. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Sorted those things out. Cheers for the support, bud. – Pee Jay 18:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The footnote for Wallworth states that his record is unknown, but exact dates are given in his entry. Presumably the record of matches played between these dates is known, so which is it? Oldelpaso (talk) 20:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Done – Pee Jay 23:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support ~~subject to considering two matters arising.~~

Can you say in 1945–1969? would from 1945 to 1969 be more grammatical?

Yes, perhaps it would.

Done – Pee Jay 13:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page of your general reference MUFCInfo seems to imply that Albut was in charge of the team for the 1892-93 season. Assuming that's a reliable source, which presumably it is or you wouldn't be referencing it, then you could add in his stats as well (FCHD gives league finishes, Test match scores and FA Cup results). If you're uncomfortable with there being no official confirmation of his exact start date, cite the page I've mentioned, remember that the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, and spare a thought for those of us whose club's entire official records were burnt down along with their main stand in 1942.

Like you say, I'm not that comfortable with extrapolating Albut's record, as he may have taken charge before the end of the 1891-92 season, and we don't even know when in 1900 he was replaced. I mean, I could work backwards from James West's record, going back 113 games from his final match in charge to find when Albut was replaced, but wouldn't that count as WP:OR? – Pee Jay 13:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, if the end date is doubtful as well, it probably would be an extrapolation too far. Thanks for clarifying the matter. Struway2 (talk) 13:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good work, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good work. Mattythewhite 14:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Excellent article, no issues that I can see ChrisTheDude 09:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]