The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 4:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC) [1].

Chrono Cross[edit]

Notified: Frietjes, Sergecross73, PresN, Zeality, WikiProject Video games, WikiProject Square Enix, diff for talk page notification (2022-07-05)

Review section[edit]

Issues about the article originally raised in talk page were reliability of sources and possibly excessive quotes. Since being listed in WP:FARGIVEN, edits have been made. However, I doubt they have addressed such concerns, but I'm unsure. Needs further review than just a talk page discussion IMO. George Ho (talk) 09:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of the two remaining concerns on that page, it looks like the Nsider factoid is gone regardless (likely removed at some point over the last two years), and the Square Ultimania/Missing Piece information appears admissible under the WikiProject video games review standards: "Interviews from any source are typically allowed as a "self-published source about self". As long as the interview's authenticity can be reasonably ascertained, we allow the developer's own words as a primary source when the claims are (1) not exceptional, and (2) about the team or individual making the claim. Greater claims require a secondary source with a reputation for editorial quality. Whenever possible, prefer the editorial distance of a reliable, secondary source over a primary source interview." Square Enix doesn't appear to be called out on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. I don't think there are really any controversial claims being made in either publication; the only thing of that flavor I've ever encountered is Toriyama's old editor claiming that an entirely different version of Chrono Trigger was made and scrapped based on his judgment call, which was nonetheless published by Famitsu, so it's still standing. ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 15:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did a quick spot check for the sources in the article and didn't see any red flags. All of the sources not covered by the RS checker appear to qualify under WP:PRIMARY. The Symphonic Fantasies source is liner notes to a CD, which are WP:AGF cited to support things that are obvious (conducted by Arnie Roth, who produced the concert series, and that CC is on the tracklist). The (remaining?) NSider source is an interview, also PRIMARY. The Square Enix sources are all interviews or citing the game itself. Are there any sources you can find in particular that are unreliable to you? Axem Titanium (talk) 20:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just brought this article to review only because I saw it listed in FARGIVEN, so I figured issues were presumably unresolved. I guess the sourcing issue is resolved now?
Meanwhile, I now have concerns about consistency of English translations of the music tracks between this article and Music of Chrono Cross. Also, I wonder whether any of three music samples are necessary. Maybe I could be wrong about concerning them. George Ho (talk) 20:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which translations are you concerned about? As far as the music samples go, I don't know that we need three of them but these seem to be well supported as far as these things go. All three are discussed in the prose and illustrate key issues in the music development. Of the three, I would probably lose Scars of Time first since it's only discussed in one sentence and we could theoretically move another one to the Music of Chrono Cross article if it comes to that. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I should've said English titles of instrumental tracks, like ones seen in the Music (or Soundtrack) section and the "music of" article.
As suggested, I have just now PRODded the "Scars of Time" sample. And moving another sample, you mean "The Dream That Time Dreams" or "Unstolen Jewels"? George Ho (talk) 22:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also moved a sample of ending theme to another article per one of your suggestions. George Ho (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Found out that "The Dream That Time Dreams" ("Chrono Cross" article) = "時のみる夢" = "Dreams of the Ages" ("Music of..." article). George Ho (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not familiar enough with the CC soundtrack to say which one is correct. I don't know that a mistake in the translation of music track titles rises to the level of FAR though. Perhaps User:PresN could weigh in about the titles? Axem Titanium (talk) 15:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The official English translation is "Dreams of the Ages"; "The Dream That Time Dreams" is the unofficial translation. --PresN 19:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is the unofficial English title commonly used by multiple reliable sources? Are there other commonly used English titles of the same piece besides the two? George Ho (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It should be "Dreams of the Ages". Done. --PresN 23:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the official English title is gonna be used, then the same should apply to other pieces, like one whose unofficial title is "Voyage~Another World". George Ho (talk) 02:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Updated the unofficial track names I saw. --PresN 02:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you or anyone else have any other objections with the article? Axem Titanium (talk) 15:47, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Generally there's a lot of overquoting that would be better handled by paraphrase for a FA-quality article, if this went through FAC today. czar 13:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, the article is still off the FA mark, and I wouldn't want to spend time looking at the prose until the citations are cleaned up and David Fuchs has looked at the sourcing and comprehensiveness. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At first blush, I'd agree with SandyGeorgia. The citations need a lot of cleanup (missing fields, inconsistent publisher/website usage, stuff that's redirecting or needs archiving), but that's relatively tangential to the larger issues.

FARC section[edit]

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing, style, and organization. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
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