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The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 26 December 2022 [1].


Robert Nimmo[edit]

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:38, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Nimmo served in WWI as a light horse officer, in WWII commanding several brigades, with the British Commonwealth Occupation Force in Japan commanding the Australian infantry brigade, and then Northern Command back in Australia as a major general. He had virtually reached retirement age when he was picked as the chief military observer with the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan, a position he held from 1950 until his death in 1966. He was described as "by far the most successful United Nations observer ever", was the first Australian to command a multinational peacekeeping force, and his command of UNMOGIP remains the longest ever command of a UN mission. This year marks the 75th anniversary of Australia's first involvement in peacekeeping operations, and as a peacekeeper myself I thought I'd bring this one up to scratch as a way of commemorating that milestone. It just underwent a GAN by Hawkeye7, and just passed Milhist A-Class review. Have at it! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:38, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:05, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
New version uploaded. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:05, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't have that problem with Nimmo, but I don't know what is going on there with the others. Thanks for taking a look. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:05, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Nick-D[edit]

This article is in good shape. I have the following comments.

OK, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced a few. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I had left it there to ensure he wasn't credited with being involved in any battle during that time, but there wasn't anything of significance. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know. There is nothing to confirm if it was a suicide, although it seems likely. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did wonder about that, but of course he was permanent army, so perhaps he was among the best of the permanent brigadiers? Nothing in sources I can find though. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that as he had been a brigadier since January 1942 (temporary), he was due for promotion. He got them ready, dealt with the mutiny and got them there, deployed and set up, so I figure he had probably done a job of work, and BCOF was pretty pedestrian in terms of the day-to-day. Nothing in sources though. Such stuff might lie in the files of the Military Secretary. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, access was my main problem (no copies in the state or uni libraries here in SA), which you have solved. I will consult it, but I doubt there will be a lot, as you say. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I stand corrected. There was plenty, now added. All done now I reckon, Nick-D. See what you think. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That all looks great, and I'm pleased to support. Nick-D (talk) 09:43, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild[edit]

Recusing to review.

I'm not seeing it. I don't think there is much fat in there, but open to suggestions about trimming. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On a brief skim, I don't see that either the article or the lead would suffer from losing:
"reaching the rank of major ... was promoted to lieutenant colonel and ... promoted to major general and ..."
I don't get the idea that you wouldn't include significant promotions in the lead to show his progress through the ranks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your call. But to me in, eg, "he was promoted to lieutenant colonel and served as a senior staff officer with the headquarters of two cavalry divisions" the information of interest to both the uninitiated and aficionados is from "served" on; etc.
"His performance as chief military observer was such that"
Sure, deleted. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"his funeral"
Trimmed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am sure there is more. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in the process of adding some more detail on the Palestine campaign to even this out, but have trimmed this account a bit. See what you think. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"deleted a which. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
reworded, removing the second "appointed". Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, while he was probably most able to display gallantry as a troop commander at Gallipoli, he was also a squadron commander for nearly a year from July 1917. Light horse squadron commanders were definitely in the thick of it, akin to an infantry company commander. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So, you know that, I know that, but how is a reader meant to deduce it?
I've added a few words to highlight that he led B Squadron through the named battles and the pursuit, but I'm not sure how else I am supposed to do that. I will look at the official history and see if there is anything I missed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The change just about does it. Will the sources stretch to something like "Nimmo led his squadron during fierce fighting in the ..." or even "Nimmo led his squadron during the fiercely fought battles of ..."? Obviously a sentence or two mentioning his direct involvement in combat, similar to that re Gallipoli, would round things out. But if that just doesn't exist you can't help that. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
G'day Gog, I think the detail and additions in the Sinai and Palestine campaign section now cover this adequately. Thoughts? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That looks fine. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added a sentence fragment, basically he was responsible for the rear echelon logistics of the division, which makes sense given he was AA&QMG. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm. Yes, it is. My staff duties strikes again. I think that the WP MOS indicates positions should be lowercase unless they are directly followed by the name of the person fulfilling the role, so I'll lowercase them all, which I have now done, I think. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Essentially to perform the role without being posted into it. Usually the second-in-command or senior staff officer acts as the commander in their absence, sometimes while they are on leave, and sometimes when the position is temporarily vacant. Also usually when the person administering command isn't of the correct rank to be appointed to command. In this case, GOC NT Force was a major-general posting, and Nimmo was a brigadier. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes. But could we either summarise this for the reader or use a form of words which may be less precisely nuanced but will convey what Nimmo was actually doing?
I added "in the absence its appointed commander", do you think this is enough? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So long as you add an 'of', sure. ;-)
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that's all I have. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Gog, all done except the trim of the Gallipoli bit, which I'm mulling over and will take a crack at this weekend. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gog, I've now had a stab at trimming the Gallipoli bit. See what you think? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. That will do. See comment above in green. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:14, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've addressed the remaining point now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from JennyOz[edit]

Hi PM, thanks for another fine bio. Sorry but my unfamiliarity with military terms means some of my comments and questions might reflect that ignorance. Some others are MoS related nitpicks and others simple suggestions...

Ibox

Thanks, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Usually staff officers are described as being "on" a headquarters, at least in my experience. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Linked at the top. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Argh! Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Removed link. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Much better, thanks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and education

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am also confused. I've done as you suggest, no doubt someone more precise about MOS will fix it if we are wrong. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
refs don't say, but I agree it seems logical. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World War I Gallipoli campaign

No, clarified. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
deleted. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yes, intentional. I'm not quoting the title, just a less formal common name for it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sinai and Palestine campaign

added see also. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
this has now been fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
whoops. Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interwar period

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World War II

whoops, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, better. Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Post-war service

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, one was RAAF before the end of the war, this was Army after (while waiting to be sent to Japan). Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

United Nations service and death

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the former, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Doh, good grief. Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done, thanks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
someone fixed this already. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
brilliant solution, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes

Done, thanks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:07, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Misc

Some interesting snippets, but I don't think Magro meets RS, it is a thesis for a certificate, not a masters or PhD. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again and sorry again for such a long list. JennyOz (talk) 11:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, and as always Jenny, thanks so much for the time and effort you put into your reviews of my nominations. They always lead to significant improvements. Sorry it took so long to get to them all. Have a great Xmas, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks PM. I've run through again (made a tiny tweak) and am very happy to s'port. Hope your Xmas and NY are great too. JennyOz (talk) 07:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peacemaker67 - just a friendly reminder that there's several outstanding items on this one yet. Hog Farm Talk 23:45, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, away from home for a couple more days, will then tidy all this up and response to all comments. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just tidying up a few things post-addressing Jenny's comments, will ping when I'm happy. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7[edit]

I reviewed this article at GA and believe that it is of the required standard.

Source review[edit]

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hawkeye, all done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes mate, sorry about the delay. Will get onto it tomorrow my time. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
G'day @FAC coordinators: I reckon we could be done here. Sorry about the extensive delays, the end of the year was hectic. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:58, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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