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The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 2 November 2023 [1].
- Nominator(s): Sportzeditz (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This article is about Angel Reese, one of the top players in women's college basketball, who is best known for leading LSU to its first national championship this year after transferring from Maryland. Reese was the #2 player in her high school class at Saint Frances Academy in Baltimore, Maryland, only behind Paige Bueckers, my first FA. I believe this article meets FA criteria by being comprehensive, well-sourced and illustrated. As with the Bueckers article, it is early in the subject's career but I expect to keep the article updated, having done so since creating it in April 2022 and bringing it to GA soon after. Sportzeditz (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Image review
Drive-by comment
- Wikilink freshman, sophomore and junior. These terms are not used outside the United States so links would be beneficial for readers from other countries -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- "playing above her age group and on boys teams" => "playing above her age group and on boys' teams"
- Link the terms I mentioned above in the body as well as the lead
- "a buzzer-beating putback shot" - no idea what these words mean, is there a wikilink that could clarify?
- "In January 2020, Archbishop Spalding High School head coach Lisa Smith was fired from her position after her private messages on Instagram criticizing Reese's behavior, which her mother felt" - Smith's mother or Reese's mother?
- "and she became the first girls player" => "and she became the first female player"
- "She preferred to play with a post player" - what's a "post player"? Is there an appropriate link?
- Brenda Frese is overlinked
- Big Ten is overlinked
- "Following the season, she won a silver medal with the Maryland 3x3 team at USA Basketball 3X Nationals" => "Following the season, she won a silver medal with the Maryland 3x3 team at the USA Basketball 3X Nationals"
- "She took interest in LSU after Ohio State transfer Kateri Poole, who she knew since high school" => "She took interest in LSU after Ohio State transfer Kateri Poole, whom she had known since high school"
- "On defense, her agility allows her to guard perimeter players" - what's a "perimeter player"? Is there an appropriate link?
- "and her length helps" - her length? Isn't height the more normal term when discussing a human being? or does this mean something else?
- This is often used to describe a basketball player's wingspan. I changed "length" to "long wingspan" for clarification. Sportzeditz (talk) 22:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Trash talk is overlinked
- "Reese's stepbrother, Mikael Hopkins is" => "Reese's stepbrother, Mikael Hopkins, is"
- "She was the most heralded transfer in the nation and took visits to LSU" - write out the name in full on the first usage with the abbreviation in brackets
- That's it I think- :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:21, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support - great work. BTW it's really strange as a British person to read an article about US university sport. When I was at university, one of my best friends was on one of the university's sports teams and I think the biggest crowd they ever drew was about 30 people, most of them bored-looking girlfriends of the players, and most of the university didn't even know the game was happening, let alone anyone outside it. It really is a different world...... :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude Popping in to say that the craziest stat about college sports in America is that 8 of the 11 stadiums in the world with a capacity of over 100,000 are stadiums for college (American) football. Newtothisedit (talk) 02:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @Newtothisedit: - wow! Obviously here in the UK football (soccer) is the most popular sport but I used to work at a university which didn't even own a football pitch and the matches against other universities were played on hired pitches in a public park. As I said, a very different world....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PCN02WPS[edit]
Holding my spot, I'll give this a read. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Comments are below, give me a ping when you're ready for another look. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @PCN02WPS: I have addressed all comments and/or responded below. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lead/infobox
- This isn't critical, but I think it would be worth it to crop the infobox image just a bit - it is very long and the bottom 1/3-ish isn't really necessary
- "where she was awarded with McDonald's All-American" → remove "with"
- I think NCAA would be worth a link, since it's a US-specific thing
Link SEC, since it's US-specific and also because this exists
- I did not link SEC because Southeastern Conference is linked and abbreviated in the first sentence. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Early life
- "Reese was born on May 6, 2002" → add her full name as given in the lead ("Angel C. Reese") with a citation - the middle initial itself isn't cited as is I believe
- Removed the middle initial - only the sources about the Angel C. Reese Foundation use the middle initial and do not specify that it is her full name. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- "She played under coach Ron James" → I think a more straightforward way to say this would be "She was coached by Ron James"
- "high school as five-star recruits by ESPN" → "by ESPN" is sort of awkwardly attached to the end of the sentence, I would add "ranked" after "high school"
High school career
- "averaged 11.1 points and 11 rebounds per game" → link Rebound (basketball)
- "win the Interscholastic Athletic Association of Maryland (IAAM) A Conference title" → Is the conference called the "A Conference" or is "A" a classification (i.e., 1A)?
- A Conference is the name of the conference. The IAAM is made up of three conferences (A, B and C), according to its handbook. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- "finish the season with a 30–1 record" → I would recommend using ((Win-loss record)) just in this first instance of a W-L style record, so that a reader unfamiliar with this format of displaying wins and losses doesn't have to guess; records after this are good though.
- I think a redlink for Hamilton Heights Christian Academy would be reasonable.
- "send the game to overtime" → link Overtime (sports)
- I would link "scrimmage" to Exhibition game
College career
- "at the ACC–Big Ten Challenge" → I think "in the ACC–Big Ten Challenge" sounds better since the game was just another home game for LSU and not at some neutral site location
- "She led fourth-seeded Maryland to the Sweet 16 of the 2022 NCAA tournament" → as far as I can see, this portion of the sentence is not covered by the reference at the end of that sentence
- The reference covers this here: "the No. 4 seed Terps suffered a 72-66 loss to the No. 1 seed Cardinal in the Sweet 16" Sportzeditz (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- "where she recorded 25 points, nine rebounds, three steals and three blocks" → either "25" should be "twenty-five" or use "9", "3", and "3" for the other figures per MOS:NUMNOTES (the bullet point starting "Comparable values nearby one another...")
- "average a double-double since 1975 when Angie Scott did the same" → "when __ did the same" is redundant when mentioned after saying that she's the first to do it since __ in 1975"; I'd consolidate with "...becoming the first Maryland player to average a double-double since Angie Scott in 1975."
- Do any sources mention a reason that she entered the transfer portal?
- "as announced by the program" sticks out in this sentence; if you mean to say that May 6 was the day that the transfer was announced by LSU, I'd recommend rewording to make this more clear
- I would put "winning culture" in quotes, since it's a direct quote from Reese and because it's iffy as far as NPOV is concerned since it sounds a bit like Wikipedia is saying that, not Reese
- The first paragraph of the "Junior season" section suffers a bit from WP:PROSELINE and gets repetitive fairly quickly starting with her LSU debut: "On November 7, she made...", "On December 14, Reese posted", and "On January 5, 2023, she scored..." are consecutive sentences and there are several more examples of this later in the paragraph
- "Reese posted 25 points, 24 rebounds and six blocks in a 66–42 second-round win" → same NUMNOTES comment as above, recommend "6" rather than spelling out the other two
Since "First Lady" is linked before Jill Biden's name, I would link President before Joe's name
- President is already linked here: "the custom of the president and first lady hosting the national champions" Sportzeditz (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
National team career
- "In her first game, she posted 11 points and nine rebounds" → same NUMNOTES comment as above
Player profile
- "Reese has exceptional mobility for her size" → I read through the PressBox source that this is cited to and verified the second part of the sentence (explosiveness-related) but couldn't verify this
- "Paint" should be linked to Key (basketball) since readers unfamiliar with basketball will not know what this refers to
- "Reese has drawn comparisons" → You can continue using "she" here instead of reverting to Reese's name
Off the court
- "Reese's mother, Angel Reese (née Webb)," → use ((Nee)) so the term is linked
- "She entered the 2023 NCAA tournament" → "This is linked earlier in the "Junior season" section
- "Reese was nicknamed the "Bayou Barbie" after transferring to LSU" → My instinct is that there is some sort of SEAOFBLUE issue with "Bayou Barbie" but I'm not exactly sure how you would mend that
- "on the April 8, 2023 episode" → comma needed after "2023" per MOS:DATECOMMA
- "gesture at the end of the 2023 NCAA Division I championship game and her dispute" → title game is linked earlier in the article body
- "magazine's annual "swimsuit" issue" → since the article in question is about the "Swimsuit Issue", I would expand the link to include both words, take out the quotes, and use caps: "magazine's annual Swimsuit Issue" since that is the style used in that article
- "magazine in Los Angeles, wearing a purple string bikini" → remove comma
- "released on June 1, 2023" → I don't think this is mentioned in the source
- "hometown of Randallstown, Maryland" → comma after "Maryland" needed per MOS:GEOCOMMA
- Remove links to Randallstown and Baltimore (both linked in "High school career")
- "mayor Brandon Scott" → capitalize "Mayor" per MOS:JOBTITLE
Referencing
- Recommend running IABot to archive sources. I will do some spotchecks after the above has been taken care of.
Note/spotchecks
All of your changes look good, I made a couple of minor edits to fix a few things rather than going out of my way to list them here. Random spotchecks are below:
- FN 16: "As a freshman, Reese averaged 11.1 points and 11 rebounds per game, earning All-Metro first team honors from The Baltimore Sun." - verified
- FN 29: "Reese was considered a five-star recruit, the number two player and the top wing in the 2020 class by ESPN." - verified
- FN 41: "She helped Maryland win Big Ten regular season and tournament titles" - verified
- FN 45: "As a freshman, Reese averaged 10 points and six rebounds per game. Following the season, she won a silver medal with the Maryland 3x3 team at the USA Basketball 3X Nationals." - verified both sentences
- FN 77: "The incident drew attention to the roles of race and gender in the perception of trash talk in sports. Reese is Black and Clark is White." - verified
- FN 83: "Reese was a unanimous first-team All-American: she earned first-team All-American honors from the AP and the USBWA, and made the WBCA Coaches' All-America Team." - verified before the comma, FN 82 verified for the rest of the sentence
- FN 85: "Reese led the NCAA Division I in total rebounds and offensive rebounds per game and ranked second to Lauren Gustin of BYU in rebounds per game." - verified, though I am worried that this source will update and remove the 2022-23 information at the start of the 2023-24 season. Can this be archived?
- FN 91: "Reese was named a finalist for the 2019 Under-19 World Cup team before withdrawing to play in the Nike EYBL." - not verified, no mention of withdraw or EYBL
- FN 105: "Her shooting outside the paint has been labeled as a weakness, and she rarely attempts three-pointers." - cannot access this site due to paywall
- FN 110: what makes "Her Hoop Stats" a reliable source?
- FN 118: "She is signed with The Society Management for managing her fashion endeavors." - verified
Overall, all but one or two spot checks look good, just a note for FNs 85, 91, and 110. As for citation consistency, formatting is good for the most part - only thing needing attention is that some have website/publisher linked and some do not (e.g. no links on FNs 3, 18 (can probably just have USA Today), 19, 22, 32, 33, 41, etc.). I have run a couple scripts for dashes and dates, and would strongly recommend archiving the sources (I can do this as well if you'd like). PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @PCN02WPS: All issues are addressed, and I added links to the references. Sportzeditz (talk) 23:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Awesome. Everything looks good to me so I am happy to support. Again I would strongly recommend archiving sources but I won't hold anything up because of that. Great work! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Coordinator note[edit]
- Just to note that as your only previous FAC somehow didn't get a spot check, this article will need to pass a source to text integrity spot check and a review for over-close paraphrasing to be considered for promotion. Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @Gog the Mild, does this still need a spotcheck? Eddie891 Talk Work 14:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Hi Eddie, yes, it does please. (Unless Mike disagrees, which I don't anticipate.) Gog the Mild (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I'll drag myself around to it this weekend. As usual, feel happy to ping (relentlessly) Come Monday. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Gog, you're right that I didn't do a spotcheck, but it appears PCN02WPS did one above my source review -- that's why I didn't do one. Does that suffice? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- It does. I am not sure how I missed that. Thanks Mike, stand down Eddie. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- As we're approaching three months with this nomination and we haven't hit consensus to promote, the nomination is liable to be closed and archived in the next few days without further reviews. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Source review[edit]
Footnote numbers refer to this version.
What's the logic behind your choice of when to use the publisher parameter? It's used in only one cite news (FN 74); the rest use the newspaper parameter. Similarly for cite web you have a mixture of website and publisher. Any logical organization is fine, but I can't tell what the choices are here.
- I use website for newspapers as their names are italicized and otherwise use publisher. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- OK -- a couple of inconsistencies:
- You have both "The Baltimore Banner" and "Baltimore Banner"
- The Athletic is not a newspaper but you have it under website.
- One instance of Andscape is under website rather than publisher.
- I have fixed these. Sportzeditz (talk) 21:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- What makes the following reliable sources? I'm not saying they aren't reliable, just that I can't see the evidence for them on a quick look.
- pressboxonline.com - seems to be a one-man show per the about page.
- From browsing the site, they have many writers although only one is cited here. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- OK, but we need to know that there is editorial control over the writers -- that these are not unedited postings. Alternatively if the writer cited here is a journalist with a good reputation it could be OK as a self-published expert. I found a reference to Ashley as a veteran sportswriter, but it was in the blurb for a book he cowrote so that's not independent. Does Press Box get cited by other sports news organizations? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- These articles cite Press Box: [2], [3], [4] Sportzeditz (talk) 21:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
bluestarmedia.org -- the about page implies these are well-known journalists. Do they get cited by other organizations?
testudotimes.com -- this seems to be part of sbnation, which hosts blogs. Is the author, Lauren Rosh, an independently known journalist?
I'll pause there till these are addressed before finishing the review. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- And I've just realized that PCN02WPS had already done a spotcheck above, so when these are addressed I'll just need to check links. No other formatting issues that I can see. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will look at links next. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Suggest adding the "subscription required" parameter for The Washington Post.
No other issues with links. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pass. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:08, 13 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll leave comments, intend to support. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lead
- "before transferring to LSU. In her junior season," <<<=== Suggest something like ". Reese transferred to LSU in her junior season" to keep Maryland and LSU in separate sentences.
- Suggest mentioning the NIL deal value and/or significance in the lead.
High school
- "In January 2020, Archbishop Spalding High School head coach Lisa Smith was fired from her position after her private messages on Instagram criticizing Reese's behavior, which Reese's mother felt included racial overtones by attributing her success to being genetically gifted, were made public." <<<=== Split into two sentences.
College
- After reaching the Sweet 16 ===>>> In the Sweet 16
- "trash talk in sports. Reese is Black and Clark is White." ===>>> " trash talk in sports since Reese is Black and Clark is white." (add "since", lowercase "white")
Support regardless, looks ready to promote! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:19, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @Sportsfan77777: All comments addressed, thanks for the review. Sportzeditz (talk) 17:04, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was looking at this with a view to closing, but there are two minor things I would like some clarification on beforehand.
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