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I am currently involved in a potential edit war on a quotation in the Islamic terrorism#Interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith article. In particular, it regarding the following quote:
"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies". [Quran 8:60].
"Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber . A Muslim should be a terrorist for the Robber and all other anti-social elements." [1] [2]
My complaint against this quote is based upon:
I removed this content earlier and was reverted by User:Misconceptions2 I explained my issues with the quote in more detail and re-removed the content and then the other user removed it once again. I am deferring this matter to any concerned editor and do not intend to make any further edits until this is resolved. Thanks in advance. Supertouch (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
i just want know someting supertouch. you said you have a problem with it because of :The POV references how is it a POV reference, they are not secondary sources. They are primay sources and quotes. They do not come to a conclusion. they are JUST QUOTES.unless i am blind or have my head stuck up my ass. what i see here is that the addition of this quote this created a NPOV making it balanced. not a POV like you say.
in my opinion. The way u talk is like saying there should be nothing negative about islam on wikipedia. only people are allowed to read positive stuff
1 side of the article says why islam is violent and why terrorism in allowed (this is the view of the sources) and the other side says why Islam is not violent. ithink its balanced
--Misconceptions2 (talk) 22:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, i posted that message first.before reading that. Furthermore that quote has been on wikipedia for 1 year if i remember correctlly ( i could be wrong, why dont u check). no one seems to have problems with it.
18:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Fenestrae B.V. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have just created a new article for a software development company called "Fenestrae". I have named it "Fenestrae B.V." (the legal name of the company - B.V. is the Dutch equivalent of Inc.) due to a conflict with an existing article.
The conflict is actually with a redirect to a stub called "Fenestra". That article itself defines 'fenestrae' as the plural of "fenestra'.
"Fenestrae" is the common name of the software development company. Neither "B.V." nor "Inc." appears in the company logo.
Is it appropriate to remove the redirect under these circumstances and allow "Fenestra" and "Fenestrae" to stand as separate articles?
Thank you.
Wuahn (talk) 15:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Would a disambiguation page be appropriate for "Fenestrae" then? Wuahn (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Multilateration (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) The link under the references section for "The Multilateration Executive Reference Guide" is not a neutral link. It takes you to a page that is controlled by a manufacturer of multilateration systems - it is advertising.
Jagdz123 (talk) 20:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I didn't realize that. I see someone else already commented on the same thing on the article talk page. Jagdz123 (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Hunters Bar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The location listed on google earth shows a spot near Carr Vale in derbyshire this is wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diddyell (talk • contribs) 10:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
The page for Sunee Plaza is being subjected to constant and unhelpful vandalism. I keep putting it right, but an unregistered user keeps adding unhelpful comments. Is there a way of stopping this? I have posted full details on the talk:Sunee Plaza talk page. GoScoutUK (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I have updated the infobox on the page that I have created. However, there are messages notifying that I am missing valuable data in the infobox:[[2]]. I'm not sure what else needs to be added. What is counted as valuable data that needs to be included here?
Also, there are other messages that advise to clean up the page. Where/What should be cleaned up? --Aerospace79 (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I do believe that the wikipedia entry for the planet known as "Earth" should include, in addition to all its current accurate information, the description of "Mostly Harmless" -- in reference to Douglas Adams' "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy". Although this data may hail from a source of fiction, it cannot be disprove, and is a part of social popular culture of humanity and should be documented in encyclopedia form. This is, what I believe to be, the heart and spirit of Wikipedia. Of course this entry of "Mostly Harmless" should be properly documented as reference to Douglas Adams and his novels. As a modestly well known futurist and cosmologist I can say on behalf of the scientific community, that fiction has just as much of a right to be documented as non-fiction -- on occasion more so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.38.167.0 (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Ken_Hodges (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This request for assistant pertains to two blocks of text that I've removed from the article for a candidate for Georgia State District Attorney. The first block of text refers to former Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young (who endorsed the candidate in question as) "Ayatollah Khomeini endorser" and draws parallels between Young's endorsement and his "other controversial statements...such as those smearing Jews and Asians." This is a clear violation of WP:NPOV.
The second block of text regards Hodges' alleged ethical violations. The inclusion or exclusion of this block of text is certainly open to debate (though all the charges have been dismissed). What is clear, however, is that the discussion of these alleged ethical violations overwhelms what should be a modest entry for a sub-national politician (albeit one with state-level ambitions). The two reversions I made to remove the offending blocks of text were done in good faith to support WP:NPOV. I welcome any assistance you can provide to prevent a potential edit war. Tightgrid (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I added several (17) external links to the web-site www.opentradingsystem.com. The web-site is of academic nature. It provides direct professional level information on the subjects described in the Wikipedia's articles and it provides additional information, another point of view, examples of calculations and so fourth.
My links were deleted. I received a message; "Stop hand nuvola.svg This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you add inappropriate external links, as you did with this edit to Fokker–Planck equation. Zhang He (talk) 18:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)"
The link in question was http://www.opentradingsystem.com/quantNotes/Backward_Kolmogorov_s_equation_.html which I attempted to add to the "Fokker–Planck equation" article. It provides a generic way to derive a Kolmogorov's equation (another name for Fokker-Plack equation) that extends the Kolmogorov's equation to a situations with accumulation of payoff, stochastic discounting and stopping time.
I read the guide lines on adding external links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#LINK "Mere collections of external links or Internet directories. There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate. See Wikipedia:External links for some guidelines."
This is the mentioned "more useful content-relevant links to an article". I understand that Mr Zhang He may have a problem with adding several links but these links contain material which is useful and additive to content of the articles. Kaslanidi (talk) 20:06, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Sanisera (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article Sanisera was changed and my opposition thesis omited.
I wrote the original article.
Ferran Lagarda Mata (archaeologist) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.153.121.162 (talk) 11:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I created an article Meddler (short story) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) in my user sandbox and moved it to the "live" Wickipedia. This was my first new article and I seem to have messed something up in the process; possibly while doing the clean up. It's maybe functioning properly for the most part though I have an impression many more links should be present and active. The article doesn't show as a suggested search result in the search box, I think there is a redirect problem I don't know what to do about and it's time to ask someone to straighten out whatever mistakes I made. Info on avoiding such mistakes in future would be appreciated. I also think a disambiguation page for Meddler might be a good idea. Thank you for any assistance. Refrigerator Heaven (talk) 13:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I like disambiguation pages and think that's best for something like this. They help in finding things well and sometimes draw attention to interesting articles I wouldn't have thought to look for. I'm surprised "meddler" doesn't have a lot of entries it can refer to. I may do an article on The Builder soonish and if so that's liable to have a problem with linking to "building". Anything I should know about that ahead of time? Did I do something incorrect when moving Meddler (short story)from my sandbox? (Maybe it was just "Meddler" when I moved it.) If I did something incorrectly any advice on correctly moving drafts from sandboxes to the "live" Wickipedia would be appreciated. I thought I was following the directions when whatever went wrong went wrong, if something did go wrong. I will look at the Editor Assistance FAQ and other Help stuff more but there's almost an information overload at the newbie stage. If Meddler (short story) doesn't show up in the suggested search items within a few days I'll let you know. Thanks for the assistance. Refrigerator Heaven (talk) 01:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
When in the wiki article for the USS Fulton AS-11 @ USS Fulton (AS-11) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a link to the Facebook homepage that should be added to the bottom of the page, this link is http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=9843963663&ref=ts
Thank you, James Maxwell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.254.16.201 (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Dear Sir,
I am writing this mail to be sure about an information regarding that link. In this link its said that the name of the cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) are mentioned in the Quran in the Sura Al Hijr. But I have gone through this Sura and I didnt find these.
"Sodom (Hebrew: סְדוֹם, Modern Sədom Tiberian Səḏôm, Arabic: سدوم Sadūm, Greek Σόδομα) and Gomorrah (Hebrew: עֲמוֹרָה, Modern ʿAmora Tiberian Ġəmôrāh/ʿĂmôrāh, Arabic: عمورة ʿAmūrah, Greek Γόμορρα) were two cities in the Bible which were destroyed by God. For the sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim were destroyed by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven."[Gen 19:24-25] In Christianity and Islam, their names have become synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's wrath.[ Jude] Qur'an(S15)Al-Hijr:72-73 Last accessed on 01.01.2010"
Please correct this.
Many thanks
Sarah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.50.176.194 (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I have been wandering all over Wikipedia, trying to discover if the article I wish to submit is acceptable as being sufficiently noteworthy about an individual.
Briefly: My Father designed and built a yacht (1962), with the intention of circumnavigation. The yacht was pirated by the crew members on her maiden voyage (1963). Captured and damaged by a French freighter, the owners of which subsequently sued for salvage in the Australian Supreme Court. Several Maritime Precendents were set with the outcome of this case.
Can you please let me know if this is acceptable, before I go to the effort of writing the pages?
I am the daughter and have all photographs and newspaper clippings from the Sydney Morning Herald, in addition to the precedents. I was also there.
Thank you so much for your attention. Belleami (talk) 19:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC) PS: There are more adventures of the vessel, for which I have documentation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belleami (talk • contribs) 22:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
This is in regards to the Dana Perino article. The user named Cmgone keesp removing sourced information that only he or she seems to think is not relevant to the article. I tried to report this to the 'Reporting Vandalism' page but I did not understand this page. Another editor, who helps me out a lot, has been Away From Internet and unable to. I would revert it but I don't like even getting in spitting distance of 3RR. Lots42 (talk) 20:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I was watching the finale of Survivor Samoa on the west coast. I looked up biographies of current players on the wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Survivor_contestants) with all survivor bios. I inadvertently saw Natalie White's bio near the entry I was interested in. It indicated she had won. Some impatient person in the eastern part of the US saw the show 2 or 3 hours before pacific time; even more before Alaska or Hawaii, and quickly entered those winning results. It basically ruined the surprise factor for me and my wife. That information could have waited a few hours and in the future those edits should be prevented. Interestingly, the header for the article states, "...There have been eighteen seasons, which have been filmed on five different continents." At the time of their premature biography entries they failed to change that "eighteen" to "nineteen". I'm sure there are other shows with similar possibilities which should not be updated until all time zones have viewed the episode.
I discovered the graviton particle. The current Wiki listing is way off. Please contat me: <email redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.241.49 (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
United States expedition to Korea (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The U.S. forces were not badly damaged, due "to the bad gunnery of the Coreans, whose fire, although very hot for the fifteen minutes in which they maintained it, was ill-directed, and consequently without effect."
The "C" in "Coreans" is a direct quote from the original 1871 report. People keep on changing it to "K" (Koreans) to make it modern. Direct quotations should remain with original spelling. In 1871, "C" was the proper way to spell "Coreans". Bluelake (talk) 03:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
We are trying to update an old Wikipedia entry on the Tsunami Society. There have been many editorial changes that were properly formatted, saved and downloaded, but the old page always reappear without the changes we have made. Please advise what the problem may be in fully editing or substituting the entry on Tsunami Society with a revised and corrected entry on Tsunami Society International. Any assistance will be appreciated. [personal information removed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megawave (talk • contribs) 21:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Although there is a reference, Alfredo Devoto is a fictional footballer. At least he never plays for Happy Valley AA and VB Sports. Also someone makes fake record in the Hong Kong First Division League 2007-08 and AFC Cup 2007, and I undid the edit. So, how to delete the article Alfredo Devoto? Thanks.--FootballHK (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfetti_Van_Melle Looks like maybe someone had too good of a time with that last bullet point and following paragraph. Thanks G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.91.37.33 (talk) 18:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Please can the COI disclaimer for the article on Richard T. Russell be removed? It makes it appear as if the information is prejudiced or disreputable, but nothing could be further from the truth. If you examine both the article itself, its references and the discussion page you will see that it has been written (and contributed to) in a thoroughly NPOV manner. Thanks. Chithecynic (talk) 11:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The text posted is not neutral, is special pleading, is copyright anyway, and serves to obscure the verifiable fact that ACI has been credibly identified by multiple independent reliable sources as offering a sub-standard which does not meet the criteria of educational accreditation but has been used by several degree mills to obscure their own lack of accreditation. The user has an apparent conflict of interest. An editor is assisting the user in ensuring that no factual inaccuracies remain. Guy (Help!) 17:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Accrediting Commission International (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have added some material to this article two or three times and someone keeps taking it off. Wikepedia is new to me and I may be submitting something wrong, as to procedures. It keeps saying that I have posted copyrighted material. If it is, I am the president of the Accrediting Commission International. I have the authority to use it.
I am pasting what I said here for your review. I certainly want arbitration because some of the materials on the present article are incorrect and every time I try to correct it, it is left and mine is taken away. Please advise. There have been accusations about Accrediting Commission International for years. ACI is incorporated in the State of Missouri, in good-standing. ACI has experienced continued growth, both in size and in quality, since its inception in 1989. In a sincere effort to promote transparency ACI has answered the accusations. There was another accrediting organization that has been out of business for around twenty-three years. While, most of the stories told about the other organization are only half-truths and outright falsehood, ACI chose only to answer the part of the stories as they applied to ACI. ACI has never had any legal association with the old organization. There is no proof of this association. The man who was co-founder of the other organization has been deceased for years. The Accrediting Commission International has tried to answer any questions in writing, while furnishing government documentation to verify their validity. ACI did not invite all the schools from a former organization to join ACI. Some of the better schools were asked to join. Each new school must eventually have an extensive on-site evaluation. Accrediting Commission International accredits approximately 320 learning institutions in thirty-nine United States and eight countries of the world. Approximately twenty-five schools, who are currently members of ACI, were members of the older organization. All of these institutions had to apply, receive a site visit, and meet other accreditation criteria in order to obtain accreditation from Accrediting Commission International. No school is given membership in the ACI association that does not have a stringent site visit to determine the quality of school. ACI reviews all complaints. ACI requires that the complaint be signed by the plaintiff, after which the complaint is investigated by both ACI and the accused institution. After the complaint is comprehensively investigated by ACI, the institution is consulted prior to an official decision regarding the complaint. ACI has the authority to decline membership to schools that do not meet its rigorous guidelines. Additionally, institutions that haven’t continually met ACI’s regulations have been revoked from the organization. The cost for accreditation is well adjusted for the amount of service given to the schools. The costs are kept as low as possible. The reader should be aware that most of the schools accredited by Accrediting Commission International are not state-regulated educational institutions. These facilities, because of the quality they have to offer, have chosen to have us look at them, critique their programs, make recommendations and to assist them in gaining higher standards of education. The student or prospective student of these schools should appreciate this. Every school which becomes a member of the Accrediting Commission International must certify that they are operating within the confines of the laws in their state or country of residence to become members. They must continue to work within the realm of law to maintain membership in ACI. Accrediting Commission International is an Accredited Member of the Better Business Bureau. ACI will soon celebrate twenty-one years of service to private and religious schools throughout the world!
John F. Scheel, Ph.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acischolar (talk • contribs) 04:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I have recently renamed my username from "Rehman Abubakr" to "Rehman" (usurpation). I was told that i could re-register the old account to prevent it being recreated. Unfortunately, i cannot re-create that account because, during my editing as "Rehman Abubakr", some accounts on other wikis have been automatically created (unified login). Is it possible to delete those accounts? Those accounts have zero editcount. Regards. Rehman(+) 04:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
how do i report a user. i have been giving the stament of an "authors opinion" as per wikipedia policy WP:Rs . but a user keeps removing it. (user:Cathar11)
the stament i used is below
i have given the view of the critics and have not called anyone a terrorist or even stated a fact.just opinion to make an article balanced. these views are notable because they are opinion of high profile critics such as "Robert Spencer, Nonie Darwish, Geert Wilder, Ali Sina"
but the user keeps removing it. saying this is not possible because terrorism is a word that was invented only recently(about 50yrs ago). his conclusion is that this view of the critics can not be true, so should not be on wiki.
he also has the idea that in an article i am not allowed to say "critics of islam claim that what Muhammad has done promotes terrorism because..." he claims terrorism can not not be used, claiming it is a modern word.even though the references use that word.
in my opinion the way he talks is like saying "Julius Caesur had a house" then he would say, this is false because, the word "house" is a modern word invented 50 years ago (or however many years), so can not be used.
But this is not the case. he would never remove such as thing. but if something is critical of Islam. He removes it !
he also edited the article Islamic terrorism and added a tag that says "the title is not neutral" and is a POV title. I dont understand this person. He is also engaged in edit warring in the article Muhammad and assassinations --Misconceptions2 (talk) 11:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Robert Prechter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
An anonymous editor continues to editorialize and spin Robert Prechter's biography. I have attempted to include some of the points he brings up in the lede, but this editor continues to attempt to chartacterize Mr. Prechter essentially as a charlatan. I have no interest in an edit war. To be open, I have written a book on the same subject as Mr. Prechter, and have met him a couple of times. However, I have absolutely no business relationship with him now, nor have I ever had one. Thank-you.Sposer (talk) 02:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
So, I'm confused.
If another wiki isn't a valid source, therefore can't be used as a reference for "X is part of Y", on page Y, then how, on page X, can "X is part of Y" be legitimate without a citation?
Dagard (talk) 12:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I was going to let this go but it has continued to niggle me for a while so here goes: I added a little text to the AC30 page within Wiki - specifically on the page that lists famous users of the VOX AC30 guitar amplifier - I added Ritchie Blackmore (guitarist with Deep Purple, Rainbow etc) whose use of the AC30 is well documented. Well, this appendment I made was removed after a while - I don't recall how long - I wasn't monitoring it, but having seen that it had been removed, I thought it may have been removed as there were no citations or links to any substantiating information/webpages. By the way, most if not all of the other guitarists listed don't have any substantiation either. So...I add in Ritchie Blackmore again, this time with a weblink to an online article I found after a brief search. This time the addition lasted a few weeks but its now been removed again.
OK, I can perhaps understand that the original author may not want his work to be edited, but the addition I made was well intentioned, correct, accurate and relates to one of the key innovators of rock guitar.
I find Wiki very helpful, interesting and informative, but I'm not inclined to spend any more time on edits/appendments if they can vanish without consultation.
Regards, NAC
ps - by way of experiment, I've re-edited the AC30 webpage. I can't believe I have the patience or inclination to do this but I'm curious to see if this latest edit will lead to any dialogue.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nchadderton (talk • contribs) 21:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
<ref>...</ref>
. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Note than whenever you make an edit there is text saying "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." All regular editors experience their edits being changed or removed by others. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I was just browsing some images and stumbled over some whose content surprised me. I am presently employed in developing an image library and one of the issues we face is determining whether we may use the images we possess. Almost any image that contains members of the public is problematic as we need permission statements/forms before we may use them despite the fact that we are not publishing to the internet, at least not at present. In contrast, the imagery I noted earlier on your site has been released live to the world with identifiable/near identifiable individuals and provides their location at a specific point in time. While no names are mentioned I very much doubt the original photographer asked the subjects permission before taking the image. I accept the likelihood of your being sued for invasion of privacy etc is remote (I'm not a lawyer so cannot give you the implications, details and lawyerspeak) but it seems an unwise risk. Is the image I encountered a rarity or have you no problem with these types of images? Thanks. 203.25.1.208 (talk) 05:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. It's not copyright as I think of it, but I was not sure where to ask.203.25.1.208 (talk) 05:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to check my position, regarding a recent edit. Although I still think the article is generally wrong (although it is a technicality admitedly) I have come out of the whole discussion with a rather sour taste in my mouth.
I made an edit, which I considered correct, but was technically wrong it seems. The first time I realised this was when I received a warning on my personal page from the user, warning me that I could be potentially blocked. I then attempted to discuss the edit/blocking message on their page.
The reply I received is the reason for my request.
Firstly, the user edited my message, to allow him to insert his own retorts into the comment of the message. Which made it very hard to reply. The retorts were childish, mocking,offensive and completely inflammatory. Ranging from calling me a liar, to questioning my intelligence.
Finally, they then deleted my reply, claiming they were "vandalism", and labelling me a troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Quartet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cjmooney9
Cjmooney9 (talk) 12:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Please can you post a succinct one or two line request with a link to an article and then it will be looked at. I don't think many will want to tramp through a long ramble like that above. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I really not that bothered about any of it to be honest. I don't even edit the site very much, and will use it even less from now on.
I just want to know whether there is any basis behind Editors putting "you will be banned" messages on new Editors walls every time they see an edit they don't like. The problem being, new users actually believe these people are acting from a position of authority (as in working for the site). Especially with the templates and fonts they also use to make it look even more "official". Or is it just one Editor throwing his weight around to intimidate another Editor?
I'm just a bit alarmed about this practice of Editors doing this sort of thing. While making no attempt to actually discuss the edit at all.
Cjmooney9 (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
To be fair, this is probably the wrong forum to be discussing this, as suggested above. My complaint was merely the users attitude, and general rudeness towards me during the supposed discussion process. I was quite happy to admit that I was totally wrong in the way I deleted the line. However, I still had issue with the content. And when I tried to approach the user, and inform him of my issue on the subject, I got little more than mockery, sarcasm, and being continually told that I was too stupid to have my position considered.
Off the top of my head, these are the rules on these edit discussions.
1: Users should not be approached personally on edits. It should be done on the article page only. 2: All edits should be treated as they have been done in good faith. 3: The discussion should be polite and civil. 4: Discussion should be about the edit, and not the user that did it 5: Editors should refrain from inflammatory comments and rudeness.
Cjmooney9 (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Occasionally, on Wikipedia, despite everyone agreeing that we should not engage in personal attacks, harsh words get flung around—occasionally by longstanding contributors, but more often by newcomers. There are various ways to deal with this:
--Yankees76 (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I have no real issue with the user. I was a tad offended, but it's not something that I'm going to be thinking about in the near future. I said numerous times (if you care to check) "Let's draw a line under this and end this conversation now". You know. Anyway, let's live and learn......
I think it's a real issue though. Sadly 39'000 editors left wikipedia in 2009 alone. The site simply can't and won't survive without inexperienced editors, making mistakes on articles. Experienced users need to be more forgiving. Not everyone knows as much as them.
There really is absolutely nothing fun or interesting in going on to a subject that you know a lot about, making an edit in good faith, and then receiving a message from an experienced editor threatening you with being banned as you broke wikipedia rule 456AZIL/4.2......? you know. Or making an edit and an experienced editor just reverting it as it technically broke rule 5463534/3L. You know, that's your 39'000 people leaving every year.
In true wikipedia style, I'll leave you with some source information on the subject. As it's quite eye opening.
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/11/26/wikipedias-volunteer-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1938
http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/davesmith_au.htm
Quotes:
"Quite simply, new editors are treated with contempt and discouraged from contributing if their edits are not consistent with the highly conventional beliefs of the editors who have seized control of the site/particular topics. "
"New users are being constantly bothered by more established users, many of who will band together to address a technical issue they don’t agree with, even if they at first had failed" (Not me, funnily. A comment on the wikipedia blog).
Anyway, let's draw a line under all of this, and get on to more interesting things.
However, I'd suggest that, in future, official looking warnings, threatening people with bans (I actually thought the user was a member of wikipedia staff when I first saw it) should not be used as the first point of contact between two editors, in regards to an edit issue. This would have been resolved in 2 minutes, if the user simply explained on the article discussion page what I did wrong.
take care
Cjmooney9 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Longevity myths (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This is arguably one of the biggest messes of an article I’ve ever seen. Problems with it are noted everywhere and looking through the talk and extensive archive it appears there will be no end to it. It is really just a bunch of POV pushing. You have a few editors, the most notable being JJB saying that the term “myth” is being misused and plainly are against religion being referred to as myth and you have Ryoung122, a gerontology expert who takes issue with religion being referred to as anything but. It seems like Wikipedia:RNPOV#Religion would cover this pretty well but so far it hasn't.
I would personally split the article to resolve the issue. Create a page for Religious Longevity covering the various religious beliefs around longevity, and one for Disputed Longevity Claims which would claim the rest and is especially appropriate given that most of the article is contemporary by comparison. I would suggest this on the talk myself but I am certain given this all seems to be about one side winning over another I would be shot down.
Thanks, PeRshGo (talk) 13:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a project similar to the Graphic Labs image workshop but for videos? i.e., where you can request help with uploading videos if you don't have the software installed yourself? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
1. Introduction and Two Klippings (both headings) are direct quotes with no commentary. Klippings is not a word. Under it, and without commentary from any secondary source, is the repetition of two racist jokes that insult African Americans. The question is this: does the text under either or both headings, quotes from early 19th c. book, belong in an encyclopedia? 2. This article copies every illustration in this early 20th century book and places it in this article without secondary source commentary. Is the purpose of Wikipedia to copy and paste text and illustrations from books that are out of copyright? Or is there another purpose?
I am interested in reading what other editors have to say about including gratuitous jokes that are racist in Wikipedia articles. Without commentary, this article includes several such jokes and the persons who have repeatedly re-added them have not entered reasons why they belong in an encyclopedia.
I would add that this article has been up for more than a year. I spent some time trying to improve it and was reverted repeatedly by user who claims the long term intent is to improve article, though over the course of more than a year, has added nothing but original text and images copied verbatim from the out of copyright book. I am wondering if the images etc. belong in Wiki Sources rather than in context of what is supposed to be encyclopedia. Skywriter (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The Ku Klux Klan In Prophecy violates WP-SELFPUBLISH in that it is a self-published booklet that attacks Jews and Catholics. There is a separate article on the author and this article ought to be merged into the author bio.Skywriter (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I am the article originator and have been the primary editor of the article Ku Klux Klan in prophecy. I also request review, assistance and collaboration from other editors with this article. I agree that the material in this book is darkly provocative. It's also quite complex as it combines 1920s feminism with racism, anti-Catholicism, anti-Semitism, prohibitionism and white supremacy. Five scholars have published on portions of the book. It's a difficult and charged topic to try and capture from both a neutral and non-OR perspective. But I am trying. I have repeatedly agreed that the article needs work. 95% of Skywriter's and Cathar11's solutions to these issues have been to delete most of the article and then claim the article is insufficient for retention. I desire to improve the article in a collaborative way. Please offer your assistance. Buz lightning (talk) 19:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I am an employee of COMSATS Institute of Information Technology, working as Assistant - Deputy Registrar, at Registrar Office Islamabad, and want to upgrade the information regarding COMSATS Institute of Information Technology available at wikipedia & restrict the other readers to make a change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawar (talk • contribs) 12:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Today there has been some users who have removed major stories about Daniel Vovak in The Washington Post, Washington Times, WBAL, etc. I believe this content should remain and would appreciate some editors who would offer their opinions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Vovak DanielVovak (talk) 14:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Jimmy Nichols (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hi, I am writing to request feedback on my article that was deleted. I have created my article again in the userspace draft section so I am asking for feedback in order to be able to post it with out it being deleted again. All of the information is factual, and in my userspace draft, I have provided more reliable sources. I have read the requirements for the sources and have updated mine to fulfill the requirements. I would appreciate feedback as soon as possible.
Thank you BRMG (talk) 16:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC) BRMG
Jimmy Nichols (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I need someone to help me with my article "Jimmy Nichols," which keeps getting deleted. Please read over it and give feedback so that I can post it live. It is currently on userspace. Thanks.
BRMG (talk) 20:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)BRMG
Jimmy Nichols (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I posted more notable information. Does this qualify? Thanks so much.
BRMG (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)BRMG
Would you accept the Acronym:
ASS standing for Attractive Sitting Surface.
If not, totally understand.
Cheers
Maurits de Blank <contact details redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjbinmiami (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have made a move request for 'List of universities in London' to 'List of universities and higher education colleges in London', but embarrassingly included a typo in the 'move to' page ('universisties'). I have tried editing the page on 'Wikipedia: Requested Moves', but this is changed back by the bot. I have tried deleting and re-entering the move template with the correction, but this seems not to work. Could somebody please show me how to make the correction, or make it for me? Thank you. ThomasL (talk) 12:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Collier_%28political_author%29 has had no sources at all since 2006 and has been tagged since 2008 for having no citations.
Is this OK or should the article be taken down? Skywriter (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
There is a conflict in this page with me and Cubfan789. In these page there are some small discussions:
The version that i support is this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Jackson_album_discography&oldid=336617182 ), the version that he support is this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson_album_discography ) Simone Jackson (talk) 18:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thank you :) Simone Jackson (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Françoise de Graffigny (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I am a new editor. I have tried to post a revision to the article Françoise de Graffigny, but I get the following message when I preview it:
Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a <references/> tag.
The <references/> tag is there, however, and I have also tried ((Reflist)) I had the same problem in the sandbox, although it did not display the error message. I also tried posting only a small part of the article, including the tag, and it still produced the error. What is the problem? Panpichon (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I hope I am asking in the right place. If not, please tell me kindly.
I am currently reviewing Pat Condell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for GA. It was failed in September 2009 for unreliable sources. One month later, it was renominated by the same nominator as before. I did a diff check, and not much has changed since the last failure besides the addition of one reference and a bit of formatting. Does this constitute a Quick Fail?
Note: This is my first ever GA review. Brambleclawx 20:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)