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I do not think the decision to end the article as redirect reflects consensus. Two people supported that after it was relisted but they did not gain agreement from objectors. When originally listed more than two opted to keep the article, as I would, for cleanup and improvement. Ranze (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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I don't believe the closer's assessment of consensus was correct here. There seems to be more support for deletion than for redirection. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Seems an unambiguous delete here. Pinging all involved editors: QuackGuru Mikael Häggström Valoem BullRangifer Moxy HealthyGirl PeterTheFourth 009o9 Cunard LK Ozzie10aaaa Carl Fredik 💌 📧 11:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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WP:DRVPURPOSE 3 (significant press post-AFD). See http://conlang.org/axanar/#press for copious links to third party press (most in re. LCS' participation as amicus in Paramount v Axanar, but several also discussing the history of the LCS and its other activities). See also: Language Creation Conference, deleted by same AFD, previously merged into LCS page. Disclosure: I (Sai) am the founder of the LCS. However, my page edits have been strictly WP:NPOV, limited to small factual information. Sai ¿?✍ 10:33, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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The deletion was unnecessary. It was a redirect page but had the page history; there is no need to delete the page history (no copyright violation, etc.) Taku (talk) 16:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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G13 doesn't apply. (It was not an AfC page.) Taku (talk) 14:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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Speedily deleted article that doesn't meet the CSD criteria. It was first nominated at AfD on 15 May. No-one took part in the discussion. After 6 days, Anthony Bradbury speedily deletes the article citing WP:A7 and WP:G11, without closing the discussion at AfD. I'm not sure I can see the applicability of either of the two criteria. The article is about a magazine, so it falls outside the scope of A7. The text of the article was rather matter-of-factly and not promotional, so G11 doesn't apply either. I've brought this up with the closing admin, who directly suggested deletion review. Uanfala (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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Discussion with no policy supported keep arguments and 2 policy based deletion arguments closed as no consensus. Previous discussion should have no bearing on the closure of the current discussion. This close was invalid and not reflective of the discussion. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 17:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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John Bambenek has been banned from here repeatedly for being a shameless self-promoter and troll and it was all more than justified. Since then, he managed to get appointed to the Illinois Board of Higher Education for being the governor's boot licker and taint sniffer. Since the appointment, the faculty senates of almost every university have protested the appointment. (See here: [2]. Much of it for his highly incinderary writings against free speech, tenure, academic freedom and unions. It seems he now merits a page if for no other reason to document his putrageous reactionary views against education and science and that it will now be front-running the downfall of education in Illinois. 2600:1008:B013:EE56:7C89:DA2D:874D:2FD2 (talk) 16:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC) |
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There is literally no support for a redirect in the discussion and no authority for a non-admin supervote to redirect it. There were two votes to delete and SmokeyJoe's bizarre !vote to "ignore it" and let an inapplicable CSD criteria be used to delete it. And yes, while this seems largely inane and a redirect could be the equivalent without MFD, it is not (deletion does allow for the draftspace name to be used again) and most importantly the discussion did not support a single non-admin supervote to redirect it. Ricky81682 (talk) 21:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Deleters (Ricky81682—Starblind—Cryptic—Explicit—SmokeyJoe—Stifle—RoySmith—82.14.37.32—S Marshall) You want the pound of flesh by deleting? Fine I'll leave a big happy note on the creator's talk page about who to ask where their content went if and when they came back. Hope you can remember this page's contents and the MFD and the DRV because now you're responsibile to the user for it. Hasteur (talk) 19:06, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Along with these deletions, no valid reason for deletion. XfD only applies to pages on User:SSTflyer/hndis, not these extra pages that are deleted. SSTflyer 05:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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The closer appears to have been biased against the "keep" side because of the unusual number of votes by new and low editcount users (probably as a result of the AfD being advertised at WP India). Even if their comments are discounted, there is no clear consensus for deletion, as we should also be assigning a low weight to comments by SwisterTwister, which is almost unintelligible and does not link to any policy anyway, and to the one by Shyamsunder which simply says "promotional", which is not a reason for deletion as long as it's possible to make improvements. The AfD was never relisted and I feel there was no sufficient discussion to establish a solid consensus. In addition, it should be noted that all previous AfDs of Indian coaching institutes have resulted in a keep or no consensus closure. (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) AfDs are supposed to turn up consistent results, failing which it becomes a dangerous source of systemic bias. There are enough sources of systemic bias that are beyond the control of editors, let's not let AfD become one. I am not asking for Sandstein's closure to be overturned, I am just asking for a relist to really establish a consensus. Note: It is true that this article has been deleted and desperately recreated several times before the AfD deletion, with the most recent attempt being at Allen Career Institute (India). However, I do not anything to do with those recreations and have no conflict of interest. 103.6.159.93 (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Deletion and move to a subsection of the TS page was on the basis that CTS is an "offshoot" or "local group" of the TS. This is inaccurate, whilst the society is a smial and thus holds a level of formal affiliation and collaboration with the TS it is functionally and legally an independent organisation. The merge was thus made on inaccurate grounds, and I'd request/recommend a reinstatement of the society's separate page, as an independent institution with a 33 year history and a considerable independent record of publications with international reach. JamesMatthewBaillie (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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Insufficient discussion, and those involved in the discussion were clearly not familiar with his work. Also, following some discussion on twitter, deletion of this page appears to be politically motivated. Meese (talk) 01:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Overturn. A good case has been made in the comments above that Al Giordano is notable. Not surprising since he was considered notable before he began opposing Sen. Bernie Sanders online and decided to primary Sanders. The editor who suggested the deletion has never satisfactorily explained why the page, which he considers so obscure, suddenly came to his attention and needed to be deleted. The timing, in the midst of a presidential campaign, makes Wikipedia look bad. Just when the public will most like to know more about Mr. Giordano, an editor has decided to yank Giordano's page. Comments made by some editors are fatuous and unworthy of Wikipedia, including "While Giordano would hardly be the only social media huckster to misuse Wikipedia to propagate false notability, I have little patience for this racket." No sources are cited either for the contention that Giordano is a "social media huckster" or that he "misuses Wikipedia. " All the more reason for the Giordano page to exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MedCircus (talk • contribs) 17:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC) MedCircus (talk) 17:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)MedCircus (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2016 (UTC) — MedCircus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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My name is Mike and I am an employee of Nextiva, a page that was recently deleted on Wikipedia. I previously brought this request back in March and it was endorsed as deletion.[3] I appreciate everyone who looked at the request and based on the comments I created a draft for everyone to review. You can find it in my sandbox. In the previous request, there was no draft article to review, nor did I supply an expansive list of references to review. In addition to the references available prior to March, there are additional in-depth references that have made the press between then and now. Again, I am familiar with conflict of interest guidelines and have offered to assist my company with this article. Everyone here is also now fully aware of guidelines on conflict of interest and promotion. I feel that the company is notable according to Wikipedia general notability guidelines (WP:GNG). The draft that I created is not promotional and gives some of the basic facts about the company which are supported by reliable sources. The most important thing to point out here is that I now have a draft to review (as mentioned and recommended in the last review request by those providing their opinion), and there are additional references that have made the news since the last discussion (some included below and some can be found at this link) Custom Google search for records since May 2016 The last discussion contained quite a bit of information and would ask that those reading this would look at that discussion as well.[4] I put together a list of additional articles that I did not use in the draft. I did not qualify any of these as meeting Wikipedia guidelines as I did not use them for the draft. By this I mean I did not evaluate them individually as I didn't need them for the draft I created. I found them with a simple Google search and wanted to list them here for quick reference if needed. This is only a sampling of articles found as there are many more that can be seen with a Google search. There are also two great articles by Carol Roth here and here. The issue with these is that she is a contributor to the Nextiva blog which could be considered a conflict of interest and as such I did not use them in the draft. However, the company blog has many contributors such as Mike Michalowicz. She is a contributor for Entrepreneur, The New York Times, and the Huffington Post and do not feel that what she wrote about Nextiva is biased, but I left it out all the same to avoid any appearance of impropriety. Additional references about the company
Weak restore. Move draft to main space. I believe this is an informative and well-written article and it merits inclusion in Wikipedia. Knox490 (talk) 03:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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Allow recreation, Sources such as this and this has since given his life extensive coverage, the unique nature of this crime and three AfDs first closed as keep, second procedural closed and third AfD not given a full discussion, I'd like to give this another chance. The full protection seems unnecessary. Also to note he has received extending coverage over a period of time with recent sources such as [6], [7] and [8]. I am currently working on a version in my sandbox. However one of my main issues is why was this page fully protected in the first place? Before I start working on it I am requesting specifically an unprotect. It was fully protected to prevent people from working on it I feel it was a violation of WP:AGF as there was no disruption on the page. Valoem talk contrib 00:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Where is a guideline that states we full protect articles without consensus for spinout? We don't even full protect disruptive editing, only disputed BLP violations which this is not. Valoem talk contrib 18:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Support the idea of more knowledge about this subject in its own article if new sources are available. No support if no new sources are available since last consensus to prevent this article, no support for expanding the Germanwings Flight 9525 article (beyond a few newly constructed sentences touching on any new sources). —Prhartcom♥ 03:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC) |
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Speedy deletion outside of the criteria, A7 was cited (no assertion of significance or importance) yet the article cited a source which clearly supported the article's own claim to significance (a national award for hyperlocal journalism); It therefore should not have been speedily deleted under WP:CSD#A7 as it contained the claim of notability. I have contacted RHaworth (the deleting admin) to draw this to their attention, but they seem unconcerned by the fact that they are abusing the Speedy Deletion process. While I appreciate the content is now visible again, I do not view Userfying the article as a satisfactory resolution in these circumstances, and I am concerned at this particular admin's apparent attitude. --Peeky44 What's on your mind? 08:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC) Peeky44 What's on your mind? 08:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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Overturn to no consensus This was an administrative supervote. Both sides had policy based reason for inclusion and deletion. Those favoring inclusion list sources such as Outer Places and Popular Mechanics which provide a list of List of Kepler exoplanet candidates by ESI. There was also a discussion here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomy#Is_Citing_PHL.2FHEC_in_violation_of_WP:SELFPUB.3F which is closed as "PHL/HEC can be used as a reference as is not a violation of WP:SELFPUB". Davidbuddy9 and Tom.Reding believed that this therefore does pass WP:NASTRO. The vote count was also in favor of inclusion 6 to 5 in favor of keep. The administration David Fuchs left no reasoning for deletion either which is recommended for close calls. No consensus is the only possible close here. Valoem talk contrib 02:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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User page and article on notable scam artiste. Plenty of reliable sources showing notability now due to recent FTC action. https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/30104-gigats-com https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/66132-outfit-that-sued-wot-members-gets-90m-fine-for-deceptive-advertising (There's a PD-FLGov mugshot too.) Starting WP:DELREV having seen the above and http://file.wikileaks.org/file/ayman-difrawi.html because User:Daniel who deleted sandbox pg is inactive (2 edits so far this year). Deleter User:Haemo is inactive for years. Looks like there's some good content for use at [14] (which currently reads like a bit of a hit piece) and/or Ayman Ahmed El-Difrawi. No reason was given for the '07 XFD close either! Bad form, suspect! The 3 comments by by 192.223.243.6 made good points re. notability that were not refuted. Above include St. Petersburg Times, Tampabay.com, sources, which are in addition to the sources .6 noted. Expect to see defenders of this scumbag come out of the woodwork; that's what's happened in the past. Elvey(t•c) 20:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Your claims regarding the source: "It names him as a defendant and says nothing else about him. It does not cover the subject directly." are false: Most of the source text is about him. It says in part, referring to him:
In addition, I pointed to FOUR FTC documents about him, which, collectively say a great deal about him. --Elvey(t•c) 22:17, 18 May 2016 (UTC) The complaint says, e.g.:
I'd appreciate it if someone would, per WP:DR, respond to the actual arguments made in favor of undeletion. If you wish to oppose the article restore, by all means do, but with a coherent argument that differentiates you from defenders of this scumbag that I said I expected would come out of the woodwork.--Elvey(t•c) 00:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm equating those who disagree with me with "defenders of this scumbag"? No, you're the only person who's done that. What I said, 5 days ago, was, "I'd appreciate it if someone would, per WP:DR, respond to the actual arguments made in favor of undeletion. If you wish to oppose the article restore, by all means do, but with a coherent argument that differentiates you from defenders of this scumbag that I said I expected would come out of the woodwork." Let me be clear. This in no way equates or is intended to equate those who disagree with me with "defenders of this scumbag", and is not and is not intended to be an ad hominem attack. I think it's clear, and if it's not to some readers, I'm sorry, but I don't see how their reading comprehension issues are my fault, and I welcome a suggested rephrasing of the sentiment I expressed that makes that clearer to you or anyone else. Also, you seem to be hounding me. What brought you here? I'm happy to start a draft in user or draft space, if I can use the two extant (but deleted) articles as a starting point - e.g. by restoration to user or draft space. I can't use http://file.wikileaks.org/file/ayman-difrawi.html because I can't credit the authors, as CC-BY-SA requires. Shritwod provides a helluva source with http://www.wftv.com/news/action-9/action-9-exposed-businessman-accused-of-nationwide-job-listing-fraud-1/249238295! Did you look at it? And the question isn't whether the deletion was warranted, but whether undeletion, so that old versions can be used to create a new article, is now warranted, given the add'l evidence that this topic warrants coverage that's been presented. BTW, what's the template that links to news, book, etc searches for the title of an article? It's used in some other process(es); I don't recall wich one- AFC? AFD? --Elvey(t•c) 17:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC) From the latest WFTV report:
I see facts ("The FTC says his operation advertised jobs online that didn't exist then collected applicants personal information so colleges could recruit them.") and opinion (employees were "trained to mislead job seekers") in a reliable source. --Elvey(t•c) 17:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC) Full disclosure: I have a COI here, but I will try to maintain NPOV. Here are some questions.. who or what is notable here? Is is the company known variously as Expand Inc. / Gigats / EducationMatch / SoftRock, or is it the individual Ayman Difrawi? Reading the FTC complaint leans me in the direction of it being Gigats as the primary focus of the action. For comparison, Lifelock is also notable for being on the receiving end of a similarly sized FTC fine, but that company probably passed the general notability test for inclusion anyway. There are a few independent and nominally reliable sources covering the individual and his companies, but not a lot. There are some other sources too that might not pass general reliability criteria. You should be aware that this individual and his companies have sued several people for defamation, and presumably made an even larger number of legal threats against individuals and organisations that have posted negative comment. That may well have an impact on the coverage. I suspect that the Wikimedia Foundation has had such complaints made against it, but I have no proof. Remember also that there is a general problem with using primary sources (e.g. court filings, business filings this FTC action etc) because this would fall into the apparently dreaded category of "original research" which leads to the peculiar situation of having a load a reliable PRIMARY sources, but insufficient reliable SECONDARY sources.. and no, I don't understand that either but those are the rules. Finally, and perhaps most importantly.. the FTC statement says this is a PROPOSED court order, I don't know if it has been accepted. But even if it has, labeling this person as a "fraudster" or "criminal" on the basis of that order is tricky. The point has to be proven in law by a court or a judge, else I would suggest that these charges are ALLEGATIONS. Shritwod (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC) |
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Relist due to early closure. --Laber□T 00:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Speedy deleted as A7 even though films are expressly ineligible for A7, and even though the article made a clear and credible claim of significance -- the film was created by a notable performer. The deleting admin treated the film as web content, but a film created even before youtube existed does not become web content simply because a copy was later uploaded and made available online. Deleting admin has refused to restore, on the basis that the article "did not have sufficient reliable sources", which is by policy not an acceptable basis for speedy deletion.[15] The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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This page was nominated for deletion, all within a few days. I was never notified of this discussion and was a couple of days late, when the decision had already been made and the page was already deleted. The reviewers were not given the full picture for the reason to keep the page, and unfortunately it was removed before any arguments to keep it were presented. At a high level, Pablo Zibes is for is internationally renowned, having earned many prestigious awards. The decision to merge the page was made speedily and without the proper arguments to make a more informed decision. This request is to undelete the page either before or after we are able to make edits calling out the group's significance to an audience who may not be as familiar with the genre. Some references included from FAZ, Stuttgarter Zeitung, and more . --Otto-muell (talk) 07:52, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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I was told that having an extra cover doesn't help readers understand the individual video game itself and would convey the same info as the infobox image. Therefore, I want to replace the current infobox image with the front cover of the PSP rerelease. Or maybe I can replace the US PSP cover with the European one. However, I'm unsure of what Judgesurreal777 thinks; the user worked tremendously on the article. I want to contact that person first, but the user didn't upload the Super Famicom image. I don't want to nominate the current infobox image for deletion yet. Moreover, the video game project guideline normally encourages using English-language front covers. I figured the undeletion and replacement might be controversial, so I'm initiating a review instead. George Ho (talk) 23:21, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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The matter is discussed with the closing admin. I think there's no clear consensus for deletion of this article. There are some 'delete' opinions, but that does not make us ignore 'keep' ones which are well explained and supported. The article was well sourced and it was explained how the nominator's claims regarding the article didn't apply there. To my eyes, there's no consensus for deletion. I'm requesting another review. thanks. --Mhhossein (talk) 11:33, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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Admin super voted over everyone. The majority wanted it kept, either as is or blanked, no basis for deletion provided other than the admin's personal disagreement with Pokemon. 166.176.57.131 (talk) 20:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC) |
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Article asserted that one if its co-founders is a notable footballer, Mathieu Flamini, which I believe to be a credible claim of significance. A Google search backed this up and provided quite a few reliable secondary sources, which proves that such a claim does indeed have a chance of establishing notability. Despite this, some people have said it isn't because of WP:NOTINHERITED, which doesn't even apply to A7 because A7 isn't about notability. Even the deleting admin admitted there's a possibility of notability, which defeats the whole purpose of A7 anyway. I removed the A7 tag but it was deleted anyway. Adam9007 (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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Groupthink. Was closed as merge, but there is no content that should be merged to HTTP (such content would immediately be removed again as inappropriate). Thus even making this into a redirect seems dubious. Should be relisted or just overturned to delete. (@Piotrus, Xaxing, A.Minkowiski, and SwisterTwister) —Ruud 10:39, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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The page for Mark Flood (film director) was nominated for speedy deletion and deleted because it was apparently created before and not notable previously. The editor who nominated the page for deletion used baseless claims and was aggressive, unreasonable and impossible to discuss a satisfactory solution with. The administrator who deleted the page is similarly unreasonable and unwilling to find a satisfactory solution. The speedy deletion nomination was contested with legitimate argument which was ignored. This page's sources included many news outlets and reliable large organisations. Mark Flood is more than deserving of his own page, and the fact that the press is writing about him only confirms this. The argument for deletion appears to be that when a page was created previously these reliable sources didn't exist. Now that they do there is no reason to delete this page. Only the facts covered in said sources (not needing any research) have been stated. Neither the editor who nominated the page for deletion or administrator who deleted the page gave any help or suggestions. WalkOn75 (talk) 08:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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The page for Darren Rhodes was nominated for speedy deletion and deleted because it was not notable. Darren Rhodes is a published author of a book containing 400 yoga poses, and a director of a yoga studio, just like Dharma Mittra is. He is well known in the yoga circles. Please see the draft of this article in my Sandbox. I believe that Darren Rhodes is a notable person, much like Dharma Mittra, whose page was approved and is up on Wikipedia for years. I have examined the links both for Darren Rhodes and for Dharma Mittra to make sure they are comparable. I made sure to write from a neutral point of view, stating only the facts covered in said sources (not needing any research). I tried messaging the editor who deleted the page, and did not receive any help or suggestions. MilenaGlebova1989 (talk) 01:33, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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