Gay Nigger Association of America (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

First, I feel that the closure of the last (serious) DRV was hasty. Since the GNAA article is such a contentious issue, closing it ASAP (in this case, earlier than 7 days) is inappropriate, it needs to be discussed in length.

The reason given for endorsing the status quo was effectively "most blogs are not reliable sources." While I agree with that statement 100%, I feel that it is not relevant at all to this article. Not a single unreliable blog is cited, and frankly, I doubt that the closing admin even looked over the citations very carefully.

This isn't a frivolous attempt at getting GNAA undeleted. I have run the draft by WP:FEED, and had it reviewed by several editors on IRC. I feel that significant progress has been made.

I'm not gonna post a lengthy, rambling argument, (that can be found here), instead, I'm just gonna sum it up:

My argument in a nutshell: GNAA no longer meets any of the criteria for deletion. GNAA easily passes WP:GNG and clearly demonstrates notability. When compared with the revision that was deleted five years ago, the working draft is almost completely unrecognizable. All of the old article's problems have been addressed.

• Changes since the previous DRV, which was closed <1 month ago. NW (Talk) 01:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• this is rather pointless, whatever the objective merits there are going to be a million "not again" comments... 169.231.53.195 (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• And here's one to start the ball rolling! Herostratus (talk) 06:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep deleted and minimum 3 months until further relisting. This, to me, appears to be an attempt to win by attrition, i.e. by listing so many times that the opposition gets exhausted of opposing. Stifle (talk) 09:00, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would you be able to cite a policy as to why this article does not meet the notability, etc. guidelines? LiteralKa (talk) 12:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

S-Preme (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

The first time I made the S-Preme wiki page, we didn't have enough good enough sources to keep the page up, but since then, we've had coverage from MTV, a charting song, and countless coverage from websites under the Complex_(magazine) Media Network. The admin who deleted the page, Jayjg, says that the complex sites count as some guy's website, but you have to know that these websites aren't just "any websites", these are the ones that are constantly quoted in print sources such as Complex_(magazine), Vibe_(magazine), XXL_(magazine), and more. These are the same sites that are quoted and mentioned from sources such as MTV, VH1, in other words, these aren't just "some sites". But even if you guys still see them as some guy's website, we still have a song that charted, not just in the US, but also in several other countries as well. Having the MTV coverage and the charting song is sufficient enough to get a page up according to WP:BAND. Also just a bonus, but we also have a major placement in the WWE. S-Preme has a theme song that he did for wrestler Ted Dibiase Jr which plays every week on National television when Ted wrestles.

Here are some sources:

• MTV: http://blog.mtvmusic.com/2010/11/16/needle-in-the-haystack-presents-s-preme/
• Charting Song: http://www.music-chart.info/song/571694/WWE--I-Come-From-Money-(Ted-DiBiase)- (This isn't the best source, but it draws the information straight from iTunes)

Jayjg and I have been going back and forth for the past week about the page and concluded to just take it over here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhymestyle (talk • contribs) 04:20, March 15, 2011

• Have you read WP:COI? Stifle (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, what does it have to do with this? (Rhymestyle (talk) 16:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]
    • If you're writing about your own band, which you appear to be, then it has everything to do with this. Stifle (talk) 09:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can't see how that charting meets WP:BAND, which says "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.". the iTunes chart isn't a country's national chart. I'd agree with Jayjg about the other sources, they don't appear to meet the standard of reliable sources. I would guess the reference to WP:COI is in relation to your use of the term "we" quite a lot in this nomination which makes it sound like you are associated with the subject. --82.7.40.7 (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

82.7.40.7 is right. Just to be clear, the discussion in question is at User talk:Jayjg#S-Preme. And I didn't say that "the complex sites count as some guy's website". Rather, I said that www.music-chart.info, the source used for the "charting", is "some guy's website" as he himself makes clear. I also note that although User:Rhymstyle keeps stating that the sources he used are "the complex sites", http://www.djbooth.net/ and http://www.2dopeboyz.com/ appear to be essentially blogs that work together with the Complex site to generate ad revenues and target specific demographics. There is, however, no indication that Complex has any sort of editorial (or other) control over their contents. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, if charting on iTunes doesn't count, then that makes sense. Jayjg didn't mention that iTunes charting didn't count. Alright well then we can close this for now. Thank you for all your help, we will most likely speak again in the future!. (Rhymestyle (talk) 06:49, 16 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]