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Category:Sarraut family

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 2 brothers in this family. Doesnt seem to warrant a category. Rathfelder (talk) 22:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Andean Independent Peaks higher than 5000

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 20:55, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I just don't know what to do with this recently-created category. Its only parent is itself; its only child is itself; it has no text on the category page explaining its purpose. What does "Andean" mean? What is an "Independent Peak"? What does "higher than 5000" mean - is it higher than 5000 other peaks; higher than 5000 giraffes stacked up; higher than 5000 feet - what? Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Deaths in Alagoas

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I was warned by Liz (see my talk page) about speedy deletion of Category:Disease-related deaths in Alagoas. Once it is deleted, I request deletion of the three mentioned categories, because the only article Roberto Torres (politician) was deleted under CSD G5 (block evasion of Marquis de la Eirron). Francisco (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Safavid governors of Bandar Abbas

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 20:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Footballers from Camp de Túria

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Camp de Túria. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:14, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge into Category:People from Camp de Túria and Category:Footballers from the Valencian Community. WP:OVERCAT category created by user with three blocks in a month for creating such categories repeatedly. Wikipedia currently has only sixteen articles about people from this county, there is no need to make another category to spin off the two who are footballers. Librarian from Liberia (talk) 18:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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British people of colonial India

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 20:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Derthona F.B.C. 1908 players

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The result of the discussion was: rename all. bibliomaniac15 20:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Derthona F.B.C. 1908 players to Category:A.S.D HSL Derthona players Category:A.S.D. HSL Derthona players
  • Propose renaming Category:Derthona F.B.C. 1908 managers to Category:A.S.D HSL Derthona managers Category:A.S.D. HSL Derthona managers
  • Propose renaming Category:Derthona F.B.C. 1908 to Category:A.S.D HSL Derthona Category:A.S.D. HSL Derthona
Nominator's rationale: C2D Nehme1499 10:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia books (user books)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 29#Category:Wikipedia books (user books)

Category:Histrionic personality disorder in fiction

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 20:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category with only one article in it. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the work of fiction defined them as having such, it's original research to diagnose characters as having this. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 13:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not original research if RS say that specific characters have HPD. Jim Michael (talk) 13:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But none of the characters you mentioned have any RS saying they have HPD. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's untrue - there are many articles - including academic studies - which ascribe HPD to various fictional characters including those I've mentioned. Jim Michael (talk) 00:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There may indeed be sources out there covering the topic. A more significant question is whether the Wikipedia articles reflect this. Until recently Wikipedia's article on Nemesis (Christie novel) failed to even mention that the killer of the novel was a lesbian, that the victim was likely bisexual, or that Agatha Christie explicitly compared the case to Clytemnestra killing Agamemnon. Many Wikipedia articles pay no attention to scholarly discussions of a book or film, only covering initial reviews in the popular press. Dimadick (talk) 11:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree - personality disorders are long-term, major conditions which affect a person's life greatly. They're defining for both real & fictional people who have them. They're not a side issue or minor point. HPD typically causes strong extroversion & it's the only personality disorder which is centred on the person's appearance, making them stand out. Even if you've never heard of HPD, if you met someone who has it, you'd quickly realise there's something unusual about them. Jim Michael (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • For this discussion it is irrelevant whether it impacts a person's life greatly. You are mentioning Scarlett O'Hara as a prime example, but there is in fact hardly any mention of HPD in this character's case, that is what the discussion is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Many sources mention her as a textbook case. On Google, the first result is an NYU psychology professor saying she uses her as a prime example of HPD. Jim Michael (talk) 00:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is not the question either. The question is whether sources about Scarlett O'Hara in general (i.e. mostly book reviews and film reviews) start off with talking about HPD. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No review of a novel/film/play etc. will start by describing a character by saying that they have a condition that the large majority of people haven't heard of. That's not the standard for inclusion of a character in a cat or the existence of a cat - nor should it be. Despite it being a very prominent condition in those who have it, many famous people & fictional characters having it, most people don't know what HPD is. However, if you describe the criteria in layman's terms, most people will know what it is. Its incidence in the gen pop is most often given as 1% of men & 4% of women, making it the most common PD in women. It's well-defined & not obscure Jim Michael (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "No review of a novel/film/play etc. will start by describing a character by saying that they have a condition that the large majority of people haven't heard of." That is exactly the definition of WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That link doesn't say that it has to be at the start of a description. Jim Michael (talk) 14:50, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:German former Hindus

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 20:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in each of these categories. A dual merge to Category:Former Hindus is not needed for the first two categories, both articles are already in a converts to new religion from Hinduism category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I have emptied Category:Indonesian Former Hindus since the article Sandrina Malakiano does not mention anything about a possible conversion from Hinduism. Also I have removed British and English Hindus as a merge target in the nomination because Amol Rajan appears to have been atheist since the age of 15. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Yes, Category:Indonesian Former Hindus has been emptied. You could just tag these for speedy deletion unless you want to set a precedence against the category being recreated. I'm not sure why you would empty a category if you want it renamed because it will just be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are not claimed to be illigitimate, they are claimed to be too small. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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