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Category:DOI templates

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 15:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, nothing that can't be handled by the parent Category:Catalog lookup templates. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Some IP recently populated this with a bunch of unrelated templates that have absolutely nothing to do with catalog lookup links, like ((JCW-DOI-rank)) and ((R from DOI prefix)). It should still be deleted as a pointless category. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Those that need to be in Category:Catalog lookup templates are already in it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:General Staff Academy (Soviet Union) alumni

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:General Staff Academy (Soviet Union) alumni to Category:Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union alumni, and split to Category:Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia alumni. – Fayenatic London 14:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:General Staff Academy (Soviet Union) alumni to Category:General Staff Academy alumni
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation, and not applicable to any graduate of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia within the last 30 years or so, since when the General Staff Academy has been a Russian institution. Alternatively, create a cat scheme of Category:General Staff Academy (Soviet Union) alumni for graduates of the 1936-1991 Soviet period, and Category:General Staff Academy (Russia) alumni (or Category:General Staff Academy (Russian Federation) alumni) for graduates since 1991, and possibly Category:General Staff Academy (Imperial Russia) alumni for graduates of the General Staff Academy (Imperial Russia) between 1832-1917. Spokoyni (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Spokoyni: Would having a subcategory called Category:Alumni of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Soviet Union for the earlier graduates accomplish the goal of not conflating Russian and Soviet? I'm remain concerned we're in the middle of an RM discussion in a CFD nomination. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: Yes, that would be fine. (Though as above it should be Category:Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union alumni - unless you wish to change the formatting shown at Category:Alumni by university or college in Russia). I agree trying to discuss changes to the title of the article here is a complicated business that belongs in a RM. Essentially then I suggest:
Comment on Nominator's Revised Proposal That works for me (and no objection to speedy renaming the category to your original proposal if the main article is moved with an RM). Pinging the other commenters here to try to reach consensus. @Peterkingiron, Laurel Lodged, and Marcocapelle: RevelationDirect (talk) 00:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes that sounds very reasonable. Btw previously I thought that the institute changed their name in 1991 from the shorter to the longer version so now I understand the situation better. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer if the word order had the words "alumni of" first. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:North Warwickshire District

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 11:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:UKDISTRICTS North Warwickshire has borough status and thus should be disambiguated with "Borough of" as a prefix. It already defaultsorted this way and I must have overlooked this at the previous CFD. This is consistent with Category:Borough of North East Lincolnshire/Category:People from the Borough of North East Lincolnshire for example. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds much more sensible. Sionk (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No disambiguation is needed - it's similar to Category:North Yorkshire, Category:North Berwick, Category:North Macedonia and many more (even names that are more likely to be misunderstood - where there is ambiguity with post towns such as Manchester and postal counties such as South Yorkshire - are not disambiguated). Other discussions had almost no participation - If I had noticed them, I would have opposed most, which would have made it no consensus just as it was for North Somerset. Peter James (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Those names are (like WV) well known units that people are unlikely to confuse, almost nobody would know what district a settlement is in (unless perhaps they live there and I hadn't heard of the district I live in until 2008 when I looked at a map) to most people "North Warwickshire" would probbaly mean the northern part of the county not a specific unit. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why categories have pages where descriptions can be added. The "northern part of the county" wouldn't have a category unless it could be defined clearly. North Berwick isn't particularly well known, and people could guess it was part of Berwick, and there are places in North Yorkshire that I would have guessed were in South Yorkshire - some parts are closer to Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire than they are to York. Peter James (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and sports

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The result of the discussion was: already (prematurely) merged (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and sports to Category:Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports
Nominator's rationale: This "and sports" category duplicates the functionality of the "impact" category with no greater utility. There is no other content other than that found in the "impact" category and one parent category that could be added to the "impact" category ("category: Health and sport") -- 67.70.32.186 (talk) 17:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Events cancelled due to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Events cancelled due to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic to Category:Events impacted due to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic
Nominator's rationale: Many many events have been cancelled by the pandemic. But there are a larger number of events in a supercat that have either been cancelled, postponed or have found alternate venues but otherwise still affected by the pandemic, so it would seem to be better to catalog all such events this way, and use the cat "Cancelled events" as the intersection for those outright cancelled, or alternatively a separate subcat for cancelled events. Masem (t) 16:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:After Dark (British TV series) hosts

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Violates the prohibition on categorising performers by series or performance venue. We don't even do this for Category:Wheel of Fortune (franchise). Deletion or upmerging to Category:After Dark (TV programme) is fine with me. Graham87 15:07, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am the editor who created these categories, after reading about the rules and taking advice from more experienced editors about how to do this. I apologise if I got things wrong. However may I add a little:--
a/ As I have said elsewhere, I have been editing for over ten years but only sporadically and not with great expertise, and none at all in the creation of categories. However nothing I have done has ever resulted in a nomination for deletion, so I am also new to this process (eg I see the nomination gets a line in bold type, don't know what I am supposed to do by way of response).
b/ I only created this category on the encouragement of people who have been in touch (film and television archive researchers) who said that such a category page would be of use to them. I admit that I thought this was uncontroversial, again apologies.
c/ The editor proposing the deletion - User:Graham87 - has written on my Talk page: When creating categories (or anything on Wikipedia), it's a good idea to model their structure on existing well-established pages. This is exactly what I did.
d/ As a guide to which pages to use I looked at other British tv categories (using Category:Wikipedia categories named after British television programmes) and also programmes which struck me as perhaps helpful guides, such as QI / Category:QI, which for some reason does not appear in Category:Wikipedia categories named after British television programmes.
e/ A perhaps useful example is Category:Big Brother (British TV series) contestants, which seems a more-or-less exact parallel (this page has been stable for a number of years). There is only one significant difference between this category and the one I created: most if not all of the Big Brother "contestants" differ from the After Dark "participants" in that they were relatively unknown before appearing on the programme, which is not in general the case with the usually already notable After Dark guests. That does not seem a significant or relevant distinction to me, again perhaps I am wrong.
f/ The editor proposing the deletion goes on to write: For what it's worth, I'd never heard of After Dark until an hour ago. The point is surely primarily one of simple fact: the leading UK trade paper wrote in 2010 that "After Dark defined the first 10 years of Channel 4, just as Big Brother did for the second", just one example of many plaudits this significant series has received over the last decades. Might I suggest that although the editor's ignorance of the programme may fuel his "scepticism" (the word he uses), that is simply a reflection of what one person knows or does not know and is not really relevant to the issue of categories.
g/ Finally I would be grateful for guidance as to how to oppose the proposed deletion - or alternatively, how best to deal with all the other British tv categories which do exactly the same job in the same way.

AnOpenMedium (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:After Dark (British TV series) participants

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I checked all the members with surnames starting with A, and they are already listed (albeit by date rather than name) at List of After Dark editions. – Fayenatic London 09:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Almost definitely not a defining characteristic of the people involved, and definitely violates the prohibition on categorising performers by series or performance venue. It's misnamed, anyway; by convention, it would be at Category:After Dark (TV programme) participants, per the regular convention. Graham87 14:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my response to the proposed deletion - immediately above - of Category:After Dark (British TV series) hosts. Sorry for any confusion created by my replying there. AnOpenMedium (talk) 17:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I have said before in this discussion, I am new to categories so please forgive my puzzlement. Plenty of Wikipedia biographical articles include categories about the sexuality of the subject. Yet this rarely makes the lead and may not even appear (in any direct way) in the body of the article. For example some of the articles in Category:LGBT people from England.
How is this categorisation (which seems well established and so presumably meets the approval of category specialists) different? Is it that sexuality is fixed - or at least long term - whereas a tv appearance, however extended, is restricted to a one-off event?
AnOpenMedium (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia categorises by what is "defining" for the subject. Please see WP:DEFINING. – Fayenatic London 14:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Belgian comics titles

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The distinction between these two seems to be minimal, if one exists. No opinion on whether the merge should be in this direction or reversed. If the distinction is that "comic strips" should only be used for newspaper comics (which may be the more American meaning of the word, but not how most Europeans probably understand it), then this needs to be made clear and many comics removed from the "strip" category. Otherwise, my preference is to keep the "comic strips" article for all series, and merge to "comics titles" one to it, as "comic strips" is the more "natural", commonly used name for these IMO. Fram (talk) 08:26, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ? I don't see the relevance? Yes, the more cats you add, the more complicated this becomes, but it doesn't change the fundamental issue(s): there are no clear inclusion criteria for either category, "comics titles" is not a standard term, and what you (or precedent) seems to imply is that "comics titles" should be restricted to what is in fact already in the cat for Belgian comics magazines. Purely looking at the Belgian situation, we have three categories, but only two types of articles to populate them with? Right? So one of the three needs to go. Fram (talk) 11:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, "Belgian comics" is the parent cat, combining series, magazines, artists, museums, ... so that one is not a problem I think. Fram (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I would abandon the entire Comic strips category altogether in favour of Category:Comics titles. Because in the English-language world there is a clear distinction between comic strips (everything that appears in a newspaper) and comics (superhero comics), which doesn't exist in most other comics cultures, where both are all just comics. There are constant debates which comics could be considered comic strips and which comics, with usually graphic novels being thrown in the comics category. I think it would be better to use Category: Comics titles for all these specific comics titles. - User:Kjell Knudde, 10:30, 21 March 2020 (CET).
  • I agree to the latter as well, the distinction is blurry as many succesful comics started as a comic strip in a newspaper and later became published as books of their own. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Shetty's Police Universe

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The result of the discussion was: rename as an unopposed WP:C2D nomination (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Match the parent article. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sesame Street Grouches

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seemingly useless category for only one article. dibbydib Ping me! 💬/✏ 02:50, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Number-one albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Number-one albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Category:United Kingdom number-one albums by chart
  • Category:UK Albums Chart number-ones
  • Category:UK Compilation Chart number-ones‎
  • Category:UK Dance Albums Chart number-ones‎
  • Category:UK Album Downloads Chart number-ones‎
  • Category:UK Independent Albums Chart number-ones
  • Category:UK R&B Albums Chart number-ones
Nominator's rationale: Consensus over multiple CfDs has determined that lists are the best way to indicate albums that went to number one, which is satisfied by the scheme Category:Lists of number-one albums and Category:Lists of number-one albums in the United Kingdom for the UK lists specifically. Overcategorization and non-defining characteristics are also issues here. Prior discussions on such categorization have taken place 15 Jul 2006, 12 May 2009, 7 Mar 2010, 30 Dec 2010, setting the precedent. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
These were created the same way as the singles number one categories - could these categories be added to articles of albums which were number one on these charts? Because articles of number one singles are categorised in the same way - eg. Category:UK Singles Chart number-one singles, Category:UK Dance Singles Chart number-one singles etc. contain articles of singles which were number one on those charts. Can the same be done for number one albums? ~Hiddenstranger (talk) 02:51, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Re "informative": the place for people (i.e. readers) to go for information is the text of articles (including lists) where it can be referenced (WP:V). Re "why not": see WP:OSE. DexDor (talk) 12:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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