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Category:1952 establishments in Cape Verde

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This and many similar sibling categories have been emptied out-of-process by Markussep (talk · contribs), see [1]. It appears that in each case he only merged them to one parent, namely the decade category for Cape Verde. I am listing one here to seek consensus about which other categories should be added onto the former member pages. They can probably easily be found by checking the articles that are categorised directly in Category:1950s establishments in Cape Verde and its decade siblings. – Fayenatic London 22:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political prisoners in Venezuela

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Venezuela. Timrollpickering 14:26, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: POV category. See precedents:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_September_11#Category:Russian_political_prisoners
  2. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_August_24#Category:Puerto_Rican_Political_Prisoners
  3. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_29#Category:Political_prisoners_and_detainees_of_China GZWDer (talk) 21:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd like to read all of the previous discussions, but I'll need some time. For now, I have to say that unlike the three previous and deleted categories, the Venezuelan category includes political prisoners from dictatorships in Venezuela, such as Juan Vicente Gómez's and Marcos Pérez Jiménez's, which were in the 1920s and 1950s respectively. I should also note that the category is different of Category:Venezuelan politicians convicted of crimes because it also includes people that aren't politicians, such as students, poets, writers or just critics of the regimes. If there are POV concerns with including current Venezuelan prisoners during Chávez and Maduro's presidencies, these can be excluded without deleting the category. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Heritage railways in Japan

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same rationale as for Category:Heritage railways in Hong Kong. Disney attractions are not heritage railways, since as far as I'm aware the term usually refers to railways which are either actually old or, if not, whose primary purpose is to be an authentic reconstruction of a railway that no longer exists. Jc86035 (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Same reasoning as in related discussion for Hong Kong. Plus, the railway in Tokyo Disneyland uses actual steam locomotives, which is a hallmark of heritage railways. The fact that it's in a Disney park does not make it unworthy of being considered a heritage railway, and to suggest as much implies a negative bias towards Disney parks, Disney in general, or American pop culture in general. Jackdude101 talk cont 00:07, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Combine Nominations Unless steam vs. diesel becomes our dividing line, the outcome here should be the same as the HK one. RevelationDirect (talk) 16:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree on combining. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree on combining. Also, for the record, there are some heritage railways that operate diesel locomotives exclusively, so that's a non-issue. Jackdude101 talk cont 16:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:One-location films

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The result of the discussion was: convert to list. – Fayenatic London 13:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:One-location films to article List of one-location films
Nominator's rationale: As discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Category:One-location films, the feeling is that this category should be deleted, with the option to convert it to a list. At present few if any articles categorized as one-location films are discussed as being such, failing WP:CATVER. There are also concerns that in many cases this may not be a defining category. DonIago (talk) 20:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Isotopes by element

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus, though leaning towards keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: All of the "Isotopes of X" categories are composed mainly of redirects to their respective main articles (Isotopes of X), and most fail WP:SMALLCAT when stripped of redirects. The elements whose "Category:Isotopes of element" categories currently contain at least one standalone article other than main are H, He, Be, C, N, O, F, Al, P, S (this has no standalone isotopes), Cl, K, Ca, Sc, Fe, Co, Ni, Cu, Zn, Se, Kr, Rb, Sr, Y, Tc (this has a 19-page subcategory desicated to one isotope and one non-main article not in that subcategory), In, I, Xe, Cs, Bi, Ra, U (this has an infobox), Pu (this also has an infobox), and Am. These categories should all be trimmed for redirects due to redundancy. Many of these may be small enough for upmerging, but that is best left for separate nominations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My counting says that under ((Isotopes)) there are 3310 isotope pages (name form: Chromium-67). -DePiep (talk) 19:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, not "one article per category". See carbon-13. - DePiep (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Isotopes of carbon has not been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
step 1: nom says: "These categories should all be trimmed for redirects due to redundancy". Step 2: nom says: small enough for upmerging (and Marcocapelle says: delete for SMALLCATS). Removing the redirects is not limited to the listed categories: consistency says that this should be applied for all the categoriesd, including the carbon one (note: all this so because deeper argumentation is missing). IOW, after removing all redirects, wikilawyers step in to claim smallcats and all categories are gone. That is what this CfD is saying. - DePiep (talk) 16:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And what is wrong with a category being gone if it contains only one or two articles anyway? How does a category like that help readers to easily navigate from one article to related articles? That is what SMALLCAT is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
what is wrong with a category being gone if it contains only one or two articles: see what you are doing? that is step 2 you apply. I object to step 1. I say: do not remove the redirects from the category at all (and so step 2 does not enter at all). Also, on top of this: current category scheme re isotopoes has a completeness. Removing redirects breaks this completeness. - DePiep (talk) 22:38, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I said: WP:SMALLCAT does not apply ("and so step 2 does not enter at all"). It is 3310/122 = 27 pages per category on average. SMALLCATS does not say anything about 'redirects do not count'. SMALLCAT does say this: Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members. I have yet to read an argument here that even disputes the definition of Category:Isotopes of X. Not one. Opposers jump right into the 'Redirects do not belong in a category' ad hoc opinion, skipping the category definition. - DePiep (talk) 09:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comment - it is possible to insert a named anchor so that a redirect goes to a specific point other than a section heading, which I have done for Magnesium-20. I would probably now consider this a useful redirect. Oculi (talk) 10:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yet further comment - these redirects (around 2800 of them) and their categorisation were all created following a bot request. This is commendably thorough and there is indeed a completeness argument (per DePiep below) in favour of keeping. There is a useful tool which determines which anchors are broken, eg actinium. Oculi (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. Also, as I wrote, it is about completeness (all known isotopes in there). I'm still waiting for an argument that says: "Redirects are not cat-worthy". - DePiep (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the nom clearly states: "1. strip them of redirects, 2. then apply smallcats". That does include carbon then. -DePiep (talk) 16:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't as Category:Isotopes of carbon has a subcat with several articles. Redirects are not cat-worthy if they merely duplicate the target. Oculi (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. Carbon is just an example. If you kill the example, the pattern stays. So I won't give you another example to show you are misapplying logic, you are invited to check it yourself. Also, still not read why redirects should be removed from a category; where does "merely duplicate the target", as a rule, stem from? You claim it actually applies here for all redirects? -DePiep (talk) 22:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DePiep: Hello, thanks for asking so we can find consensus! The header at WP:CAT gives a good overview: categories are meant to help readers navigate between similar articles. If you think there is an administrative purpose to these groupings (and I have no opinion on that), you might want to look at the Category:Redirects from alternative names category tree. Thanks RevelationDirect (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, never claimed an administrative purpose (nor did anyone else). They are in content space (is this another red herring?). And wrt the WP:CAT quote: well, methinks that lithium-5, lithium-6, lithium-7 are similar "articles". Since you are open for answering questions: why are Redirects not suitable for categorisation? (of course, as applied in these categories). - DePiep (talk) 16:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects are perfectly fine in categories if they aid navigation by taking you somewhere different than the other articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Says who, referring to some kind of guidance? -DePiep (talk) 22:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Methinks that lithium-5, lithium-6, lithium-7 are similar 'articles'." Redirects are not articles, per WP:ARTICLESPACE. RevelationDirect (talk) 06:54, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes RevelationDirect. That is why I used quotes, duh. Now please explain why redirects should be removed from a category. - DePiep (talk) 22:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Within Wikipedia they're effectively alternate names until if/when a separate article is created but I'm open to other naming conventions for an admin category to help maintain these redirects. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support hiding as a maintenance category as a second best option, after deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And I support outright deletion as the second best option. RevelationDirect (talk) 06:56, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. This is a good illustration & description of why such a category set is OK. Don't forget to read other posts by Oculi in this thread. -DePiep (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, for deleting these categories you argue different in the OP: and most [categories] fail WP:SMALLCAT when stripped of redirects. And that difference is essential, because obviously SMALLCATS does not give grounds to categorise certain pages yes/no. In SMALLCATS there is no argument to remove Redirects from a category. Full stop.
For redirects, you only say what I already quoted (redundancy). However, arriving in a Isotopes of X page does help a reader to go to the page of an existing sibling isotope, either by redirect of to a content page (like carbon-13). For the Reader it is not a hinder but a help that pages are Redirect: they want to read about some other isotope. On top of this, the Reader is immensely helped by the foundation that all known isotopes are in that category. (A pity few people here respond to breaking this feature). What you propose is: 1. remove the completeness, 2. remove the category for being incomplete). -DePiep (talk) 07:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since all the content appears in the relevant "isotopes of" article is not correct, e.g. Carbon-13. And please clarify why such a complete set of pages-in-categories is to be broken up and discarded. Also, if the category/ies are to be hidden, i.e. mailtenance or 'administrative' only, there is no need to "help" the maintaining editors by prescribing the category organisatoin (into a huge one at that) you won't have to handle yourself. - DePiep (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This remembers me sadly of this CfD, where contributors that were not involved in editing the topic, concluded that it was not needed, for editors who actually did maintain the topic. Incidentally, apart from my name also Marcocapelle appears there too, with the same approach (i.e., not digesting input from actual content editors). - DePiep (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The whole input of content knowledge is unused? All content is in the article already. The category does not add any knowledge, it is just a means of navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I tried to say: "input knowledge as present with the content editing editors (domain knowledge)". For example, and re your reply here: yes, the categories are a navigation aide: for the Reader navigating through all ~3000 known isotopes. -DePiep (talk) 16:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Many non-isotope-maintaining editors here repeat, in various forms, like: 'Redirects are not needed for navigation'. -DePiep (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Navigating is not a goal in itself, reading articles is. Navigating is meant as navigating from one article to an other, not from one article to the same article. If you want to have lists (which is my best guess of what you are really aiming for), by all means create list articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are only narrowing this to hairsplitting over "navigation" (and no, navigation is not limited to 'from article to article'). Who are you to claim for others that readers looking for isotope articles do not need or use this overview & navigation form? - DePiep (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:CAT says: The central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links to Wikipedia pages in a hierarchy of categories which readers, knowing essential—defining— characteristics of a topic, can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics.. So A) I have not invented this myself. B) This is not hairsplitting but it is about the central goal. C) This is about sets of multiple pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • re1: Yes! First further splitting the hairs then: You wrote Navigating is not a goal in itself the CAT quote says "central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links". So within the cat system, it is a goal in itself (sure not for Wikipedia as a whole, but categories is what this is about). Also, you added: ...not from one article to the same article. Is not in the quote, is not defined anywhere (my GF tells me that you were thinking about navboxes when you wrote that, but still: is not an argument in here, no consequences). Third: you claim to know my argument (lists ... is my best guess of what you are really aiming for): why not ask? Why should I discuss you projection? "Speak for yourself", is the reply to this. These three are your personal impressions on what is/isnot an acceptable category system, is why I ponted to 'invention'. Enough hairs.
  • re2: Let us read the quote. I inject my [comments]: The central goal [incidentally, other goals are not excluded then] of the category system is to provide navigational links to Wikipedia pages in a hierarchy of categories [yes] which readers, knowing essential—defining—characteristics of a topic [these are the readers with knowledge of isotopes, I mentioned], can browse and quickly find [yes] sets of pages [yes, see also the completeness I mentioned] on topics that are defined by those characteristics [isotopes are defined as such indeed; 2d time "to define" is used].. Nothing in here is a hook on saying that the redirects do not belong in those well-defined categories on well-defined & complete sets of topics that readers-with-knopwledge want to browse & find. -DePiep (talk) 09:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sets of pages is pretty much plural, isn't it? It's not the same page endlessly repeated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Sets of pages is plural (maybe you could tone down the paternalistic attitude and spend more time on argumentation?). 1. It says 'pages' not 'articles': redirects included. 2. That set of pages is: the category; sets in plural = multiple categories (sibling cats, parent cats, ...). 3. The reader with knowledge about isotopes can find that set. I still don't get why you claim that the reader does not need this kind of navigation. Why do you want to take away from the informed reader, like: "no, the list/set/category "Isotopes of X" you are looking for is removed because you don't need it" (paternaslistic and mistaking the reasonable search/browse route). You are saying to the reader, like: 'you are doing it wrong because I know the result'.
So, still unclear (a) by what inescapable reasoning or guideline you want to remove redirects (well-defined titles, in coherent sets) from categories (well-defined, coherent, complete too) and (b) how the category setup 'Isotopes of X' is convincingly *not* helpful for the browsing, searching, navigation by an informed reader. - DePiep (talk) 09:01, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • When you click the redirect you are returning to the same page, not to a different one. Furthermore, there is no information removed when the category is deleted, because all the information is in the one article that is currently in each category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:41, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes many pages in the category lead often to the same page. That follows one of the features of a Redirect. No that does not make redirects superfluous. This fact is *not relevant* for the Reader who is looking for isotopes. That *you* know this Redirect's result does not imply that the Reader does not need the info or category. Wiki cannot say to the reader "Nothing to find here" when the reader is asking a sound (search-)question. And of course, removing the category *is* removing information, namely: the well-established category of well-defined isotopes. -DePiep (talk) 10:25, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A. I have never suggested that the redirects are superfluous. B. Categories do not contain information, only articles do. Categories allow navigation and there is no point in having readers navigating from one article to the very same article. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A. You want to have them removed. B. Au contraire. The fact that actinium-206 is in the category and actinium-205 is not is information. Also, stop flip-flopping, this time flopping away from my "for the reader, it is useful navigation" point. -DePiep (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No I do not. I want to have the category removed, not the redirects. The discussion is about the category! It seems that the whole conversation we had so far was based on a misunderstanding. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
re YBG Sure they qualify for ((Redirect with possibilities)), with or without that template actually being present. And IMO, that is another reason to keep. Note that some redirects, like lithium-4, redirect to a #section i.e. the "possibilities" is already partly developed. -DePiep (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is no new info. It leads to the same article. So a reader searching for more info on this topic (i.e. searching for different articles) will disappointingly end up in the same article all the time. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reader will end up in a dedicated section, i.e. right on topic—and as the reader expected & was looking for, I add. This is navigation working! The quote is still wrong in these cases. -DePiep (talk) 18:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All in all, Marcocapelle, we do not need your sarcasm. We, serious editors supporting WP:ELEMENTS including WP:ISOTOPES, are very consistent and sound. See this, this, and read editors R8R, Double sharp, YBG; please also check ((Periodic table by article quality)). -DePiep (talk) 23:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Advocacy groups by continent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: only one article. Not enough in related categories to populate continent categories. Rathfelder (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is for the initiator of a subcat scheme to flesh it out properly before moving on to other interests. Oculi (talk) 11:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given that Kku created this category in 2016, and nothing has been added in 2 years, what is the time-scale for the development of this instructive network? Oculi (talk) 11:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pan-European advocacy groups

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cross-European advocacy groups. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Pan-European advocacy groups to Category:Advocacy groups in Europe
Nominator's rationale: Many of the member pages do not advocate Pan-Europeanism as defined on the category page for the parent Category:Pan-Europeanism. The proposed name would be a start in populating Category:Advocacy groups by continent (see discussion above). – Fayenatic London 22:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Converts to Roman Catholicism from Evangelicalism

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The broader discussion was also closed as keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:27, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Catholic Church, ultimately per Catholic Church, as well as Category:Evangelicalism - per Evangelicalism. Strictly speaking, WP:C2C: Category:Conversion to the Catholic Church/Category:Catholic Church, ultimately with WP:CONSENSUS as emphasised by Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_29.Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of discussion on Speedy page
Please see new argument as presented in the original motivation Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:55, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What is the new argument? StAnselm (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:C2C: Category:Catholic Church, ultimately with WP:CONSENSUS as emphasised by Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_29. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is stretching WP:C2C beyond breaking point. Oculi (talk) 08:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I beg to differ. There might still be some controversy over the naming of the Catholic Church, including the category tree under Category:Catholic Church (note the consistency at least in the top category so far) - but either way, I haven't seen any user advocate "Roman Catholicism" formula for like a decade here. That's kind of a relic argument around Wikipedia. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was 2 years ago, and I certainly opposed it. There is still Category:Roman Catholics. Oculi (talk) 23:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, well, while the Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Catholicism)#Latin_Church naming issue isn't settled yet, at least I haven't seen in anyone credibly arguing for "Roman Catholicism" naming of any related entity for quite some time. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, what is your arguments for deviating from the Category:Catholic Church consistency in this particular branch of that tree? Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely, the consistency is the other way around: the diffusion of many Catholic categories between Roman and Eastern Catholic subcategories is very consistently applied on many categories, including the ones discussed here. Therefore, this nomination changes the scope of the categories. Specifically, people in general belong to a certain rite (before or after conversion), not Catholicism at large. Place Clichy (talk) 20:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's a negative. The scope of this one regards Category:Catholic Church, not Category:Latin Church, nor Category:Eastern Catholicism. It is too much to ask for better arguments if you want to convince us to maintain a Category:Roman Catholicism category title formula deviating from WP:C2C? Chicbyaccident (talk) 07:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Heritage railways in Hong Kong

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:21, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Hong Kong does not have any heritage railways, excluding the few hundred metres of track at Hong Kong Railway Museum used primarily to store trains. The Hong Kong Disneyland Railroad was opened in 2005 on newly reclaimed land and runs diesel trains which externally look like steam trains. Jc86035 (talk) 10:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm concurring with Andy Dingley in the discussion further below where the same point has been addressed. About canvassing, it was User:RevelationDirect who addressed this concern. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: As I explained to Andy Dingley, Hong Kong Tramways is a heritage line, per a recent BBC article I found, which is now a source in the article. Its presence alone is enough to keep the category. Also, there are several non-Disney heritage lines in the categories for Japan now. The only reason the discussion has been focused so much on "what is and what is not a heritage railway" is because Disney lines were the only ones in the categories at the start of the discussion, which is no longer the case. Please take a moment to observe the categories again and acknowledge the presence of the non-Disney rail lines that fit the more conventional description of a heritage railway. Jackdude101 talk cont 12:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still delete
There is a small argument to be made for WP:ITSUSEFUL. But Disney Hong Kong is not a heritage railway, nor are the trams, and I'm finding it hard (much as I'm an inclusionist for categorization) to put the funicular in there.
Even if this gets kept, I can't see a case for putting the Disney amusement park ride in there. Maybe if the category was just renamed as "tourist railways" (and still parented under heritage)? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Andy Dingley: As I was explaining to Jc86035 above, I was able to find a recent BBC article here: [3] that describes Hong Kong Tramways as a heritage transit system. This article also quoted its managing director, who said the following: “There is no better heritage tram builder in the world than us, so why not do it ourselves?” So, within the same source, you have a major worldwide publication referring to it as heritage, and a high-level official of the tramway referring to it as heritage. My point is that the existence of this heritage tram alone is enough to keep the category. Jackdude101 talk cont 23:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the Peak Tram's status as a heritage line is concerned, there is a large historical gallery at its lower terminus that includes full-scale mock-ups of the old haulage room and a first generation tram car. Also, the previous tram cars from the 1950s are formal static displays near either end of the line. Your average non-heritage commuter line will not go to this much trouble to put its history on display, so it's something to take into consideration. Jackdude101 talk cont 01:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still delete
It is fair to point out some gray area as to what level of historicity counts as a heritage railroad--I've been on ones that add old-timey elements that are inaccurate--and it's fair to ask how old a line has to be before it becomes "heritage". But the one article here and in the Japan one are not border cases: they're entirely new rolling stock over entirely new routes with entirely new stations. Building a category entirely around such an article seems likely to hinder navigation especially when we have Category:Railways of amusement parks in Hong Kong. You obviously feel strongly here and I'm sorry our discussion couldn't bring us to the same viewpoint. RevelationDirect (talk) 06:39, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: The categories no longer encompass only Disney rail lines; other already-existing articles have recently been added to them. Regardless of how you, me, or anyone else feels about the Disney ones, the presence of the non-Disney ones in the categories is enough to keep them. I should also take this moment to address your concern about canvassing. The people I contacted are all knowledgeable on the topic of heritage railways and their opinions are their own, making their input in these discussions valuable. I kept the language in my statements on their talk pages neutral, as well. Jackdude101 talk cont 11:59, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion is obviously important to you. I guess I'm just not seeing the benefit here when the article already has
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Category:Imperial election

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 14:24, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, adding a disambiguator. Earlier this week I had boldly moved the eponymous article the same way. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hold fire. The title of the main article was moved from "Imperial election" to "Imperial election (Holy Roman Empire)" but there is no need for the disambiguation as the former is now just a redirect to the latter. IMHO the main article should be moved back which would mean the category should also stay where it is. Bermicourt (talk) 06:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Graphs of vertices 32

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 11:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Somehow this one got missed in the CfD that got the similar categories deleted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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