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Category:American primary care physicians

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ℯxplicit 01:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I became aware of this category when it was applied to John Britton (doctor) to replaceCategory:American physicians, but I see it's also applied to articles like Henry L. Brown (the first one I happened to click on) and to a number of others for whom the idea of a separate field of primary care (or general practice, family medicine) would be ahistorical. Basically, trying to apply this category consistently would be, at the very least, difficult: it would either involve deciding what constituted "primary care" before this became a specialization, or omitting historic physicians performing what today might be called primary care. Too subjective. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Rathfelder: I think that the argument for changing that note is stronger than the argument for diffusing. What's apparent is that we simply can't confirm that most of these people are "primary care physicians" or "general practitioners", so the broader category is the only appropriate place. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:26, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is not an argument about the existence of the category. That's a question of which articles belong in it. There are large number of articles about American doctors which clearly say that they are General Practitioners, Primary care physicians or Family Physicians. These categories are very similar, though the name used varies and they should be merged. But they are clearly differentiated from the generic term "Physician" which simply indicates that they are qualified and practice as what is called a doctor in much of the world. Most of the articles about doctors which elaborate on the subject's practice as a doctor (and many don't) are about specialists, because those are the doctors who do most research. But it would be a big mistake to lose the category for generalists - who, after all, see most of the patients most of the time. Rathfelder (talk) 21:49, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • But that is the argument I'm making. Most of the articles in "American physicians" cannot be diffused into "American primary care physicians", and any diffusion we can try to do will be arbitrary or subjective in one way or another. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In other countries they are called General Practitioners. That term is used in a few of the American articles. I'd be happy with a category American General Practitioners, but I am not sure it would be acceptable. Rathfelder (talk) 11:43, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its quite true that the application of categories to doctors varies with time. Before about 1920 most doctors would try their hand at anything, but now doctors, at least in developed countries and urban areas are restricted to an area of practice. Most of the articles about nineteenth century US doctors don't say very much about what exactly they did. Something along the lines of "he moved to Clarksville and practiced medicine" is very common, especially for people who are actually notable for being a politician or sportsman. I don't think those articles should be categorised as primary care physicians. I've mostly put them in a subcategory of Category:American physicians by state. But the article about Henry L. Brown says he "started his own practice in Laurel" - That seems to suggest it was not in a hospital, though it doesn't tell us anything more. Rathfelder (talk) 11:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, this category is populated mostly with 20th-century physicians and the articles aren't very clear either. By lack of clear terminology you have to read between the lines to understand that these physicians aren't/weren't active in a particular specialization. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That would be OK by me, certainly better than the proposed upmerge, though I'm not sure that we can really distinguish between "General Practitioner", "Primary care physician" and "Family physicians", as they seem to share important characteristics: Not hospital based and not specialised, which differentiate them from all the other sorts of physicians. However the demarcation lines clearly vary from place to place and from time to time. In the UK, for example GPs no longer deliver babies because their insurance doesn't cover them. Rathfelder (talk) 22:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Catholic traditionalism

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Compare "Irish American". "Irish" is the 'accidental', "American" is the 'essential'. This wording seems just as supported by general sources check, and is per WP:Consistency in accordance with main relevant equivalent language versions. It is also consistent with wording order in Traditionalist Catholicism, Template:Traditionalist Catholicism, as well as in equivalence with Liberal Catholicism. Furthermore, need of this renaming is indicated by Category:Traditionalist Catholics, and Category:Traditionalist Catholic newspapers and magazines. Chicbyaccident (talk) 19:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French compound given names

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete as nominated. ℯxplicit 01:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:Compound given names does not have enough names in it to diffuse by nationality, and especially by both nationality and gender. Since compound given names are historically a French tradition, most pages in Category:Compound given names would be French anyway. -- Tavix (talk) 18:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:CD singles

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 23:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The CD single was the primary format for singles during the 1990s and early 2000s (and many still are today) so the release of singles on CD is not a defining characteristic for such songs any more than singles from the 50s through the early 80s being released on 7" inch vinyl discs or songs of today being distributed via digital outlets through downloads and streaming. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The CD single is a rare format today, but in some countries such as Japan, Germany, France and Australia people still have this format for major releases. The CD single also helps a song hit the record charts. I agree with Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars's point that the main format of music distribution today is via digital outlets, but this is the reason why I created this category. The most common format of releasing a single is through the digital download/streaming, but some singles in Germany, for example, get a CD release after they achieve certain success on the charts. So, this would be a means of organizing these singles that get this distinction from others. Lucas RdS (talk) 03:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support We have managed without vinyl, rps, 7, 10 or 12 inch. I am sure such potentially enormous category will not prove useful or encyclopedic. Or as I often cry here, "What about the songs, doesn't anybody care about the songs?" --Richhoncho (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Michael Lisicky

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: After removing pages inappropriately categorized here (stores written about by the subject), there is nothing left. —swpbT go beyond 17:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles tagged for copyright problems

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia pages tagged for copyright problems. ℯxplicit 01:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Articles tagged for copyright problems to Category:Pages tagged for copyright problems
Nominator's rationale: Why only articles? It's not uncommon to see pages outside article space listed at WP:CP. Adam9007 (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Trouble Shooting

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Intended content is unclear. —swpbT go beyond 16:52, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Braintree, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, enormously complicated category tree for a small-medium town with some 50 biography articles (which allows some diffusion) and a dozen buildings and structures (which presumably should become a single category) and not much else. Some categories, like Category:Neighborhoods in Braintree, Massachusetts, only contain redirects to the Braintree, Massachusetts article. Probably we can even merge further, but let's first wait and see how the category looks like after the above mergers. This nomination is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People educated at Atlantic College

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Awkward wording not used on other articles. TM 09:58, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People educated at a United World College

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There is no clear support to rename the category one way or the other. ℯxplicit 01:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Awkward phrasing. I understand there are more than one United World College but I "educated at" is not used elsewhere to my knowledge. TM 09:56, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fahrenheit 451

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 November 18#Category:Fahrenheit 451. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only navigates three articles other the the main one. Upmerge where appropriate (e.g. main article can go directly into Category:Dystopian novels). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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