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Category:Southwestern Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 01:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Another deleted spurious Mexico region (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwestern Mexico). It appears that there is no recategorization needed on its subcategories or members. Mangoe (talk) 21:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who retain on their userpages categories which have been deleted by consensus

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The result of the discussion was: now completed. This had been listed for manual processing at WP:CFDWM earlier on the day of the nomination. – Fayenatic London 17:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose cleanup discussion Category:Wikipedians who retain on their userpages categories which have been deleted by consensus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: It was established at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 May 23#Category:Wikipedians who retain on their userpages categories which have been deleted by consensus that this category should be renamed as Category:Wikipedians who retain deleted categories on their userpages. However, Cydebot was able to move only the pagenames of individual userpages to the target location, and has left all the subcategories at the source location. The reason for this problem is that all of the subcategories had been set up as hard redirects back to this parent category, in spite of WP:CATRED. This problem needs to be fixed (and it does not seem to satisfy the speedy criteria). --Tryptofish (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Second Life screenshots

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The result of the discussion was: administrative close, category has already been deleted (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It's an unused category. The template of the same name needs to be looked at too. N. Harmonik (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Southeastern Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 01:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for a now deleted article (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwestern Mexico) which was part of a spurious system of regional divisions. Another easy one because everything underneath it is adequately categorized now. Mangoe (talk) 15:32, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:North-Central Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 01:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for a now deleted article (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwestern Mexico) which was part of a spurious system of regional divisions. I'm afraid we're going to have to go at these one by one because some of them are going to require more complicated disposition, but in this case all the children are either states or the plateau article, and are already categorized sufficiently. Mangoe (talk) 14:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from South Derbyshire (district)

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The parent category and its main article use "South Derbyshire" without disambiguation. The only other use of the term is for the parliamentary constituency, and we don't categorise people by those. Jellyman (talk) 06:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Science fiction fans

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The result of the discussion was: keep, with encouragement to consider forming more specific sub-categories. – Fayenatic London 10:51, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_22#Category:Star_Trek_fans and Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Opinion_about_a_question_or_issue ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historians of Dutch Jewry

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 10:06, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Historians of Dutch Jewry to parent categories
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, too narrow intersection, there is no tree for this (e.g. we don't have Category:Historians of British Jewry). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African-American economists

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. I am going to change the example in the guideline to surgeons, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_25#Category:African-American_surgeons. – Fayenatic London 11:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion,_sexuality,_or_disability#Special_subcategories explicitly says this shouldn't exist. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The sources I've shared do not indicate that the economics of African-Americans is a notable topic. They indicate that there are a number of independently written articles with depth on the topic of African-American people's participation in the field of economics or often lack thereof. As for the existence of an article on it, your standard is far beyond what Wikipedia requires. To cite the guideline again, the question is whether or not a valid, encyclopedic head article can be written, not whether or not it has been written. The availability of sources of depth on the topic indicates it can and that is why this category meets our guidelines.--TM 10:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's doubtful that a separate article about economists would survive here, as it's unlikely that African-Americans are more underrepresented in economics than they are in a lot of other academic fields. Having said that, to my honest surprise, I can't quickly find a WP article about the position of African-Americans in academics in general, hopefully I haven't searched well enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What of the other 4 sources I provided that demonstrate that the topic of African-Americans in the field of economics has been written about extensively?--TM 10:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • From the sources it is not clear whether this a topic in its own right or a mere 'random' illustration of under-representation of African-Americans in academia. Again, this issue should be elaborated in good articles before starting categorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:JEL classification system

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The result of the discussion was: delete per policy reasons given. – Fayenatic London 11:09, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:JEL classification system (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:EconLit subject descriptors
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF and WP:OVERLAPCAT, a classification system does not define the fields. On the contrary, the classification system has only been developed after the fields had already established. Besides the two categories are copies of each other, and they both overlap with Category:Economics by specialty. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prints by Rembrandt

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The result of the discussion was: merge per Option B. – Fayenatic London 11:12, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, extra category layer merely hinders navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is important that the contents of Category:Etchings by Rembrandt remain categorized. Not all Rembrandt prints are in fact etchings (though they are sometimes loosely so called), so it might be better to move the actual articles up to "Prints by...". Johnbod (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several of the articles are about groups, which will include non-etching, in whole or in part. Many of his prints, like The Three Crosses, are mixes of etching and engraving (often drypoint). I haven't looked the other individual prints with articles up (and wouldn't trust our articles on this). The wider point is that the best overall name is "prints", not "etchings", although, as I said above "they are sometimes loosely so called". The List of etchings by Rembrandt falls into this trap. It does not list the techniques, but very many of these are partly in engraving, and quite a few entirely so. Johnbod (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added this as option B and I have tagged Category:Etchings by Rembrandt as well. Either option A or B is okay in terms of avoiding duplication of categories but based on Johnbod's arguments option B is most likely the better option. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 04:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former accounts of User:PogingJuan

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Former accounts of User:PogingJuan to Category:Alternative Wikipedia accounts
Nominator's rationale: This is an overly specific category pertaining to a single editor, up merge to parent. — xaosflux Talk 03:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Weekly Idol participants

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The result of the discussion was: delete per policy cited. – Fayenatic London 11:24, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of performers by performance. This is simply categorizing people who have made guest appearances on Weekly Idol. There is a long-standing precedence against these types of categories: User:Good Olfactory/CFD#Reality TV participants. It is a non-defining and trivial shared characteristic. ℯxplicit 02:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Network protocols

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The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per network protocol redirecting to communication protocol. Alternately, make this a subcat. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Parodies of Donald Trump

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Just like the "Category:Parodies of Sarah Palin" I nominated yesterday we can say the same thing here: we already have a Category:Cultural depictions of Donald Trump, which covers a wider scope of portrayals of Trump than just parodies alone. Also this is more in line with all the other categories which list cultural depictions of celebrities. Shouldn't parody categories be restricted to works? User:Kjell Knudde 13:15, 20 June 2017 (UTC).[reply]
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