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Category:Fictional characters with borderline personality disorders

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:29, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Fictional characters with borderline personality disorders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category currently contains zero articles. There are few fictional characters with borderline personality disorder (and even fewer notable enough for a Wikipedia article) so this category will remain underpopulated. Furthermore, the very few articles about fictional characters with borderline personality disorder can be placed in the "Borderline personality disorder in fiction" category.2602:30A:2ED1:2EE0:111F:6C70:503E:46FD (talk) 23:22, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Subcategories of London Boroughs

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The result of the discussion was: rename using Option A, and keep the redirects. Additional redirects may be added where they appear useful. Note: this extensive nomination and this close should be sufficient grounds for using WP:C2C to speedily rename further categories in this hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 10:05, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming 596 sub-categories of Category:London boroughs to an unambiguous format, which includes the word "borough".
I see three ways to do it, each with precedents
Note that this nomination covers only the first-level subcats of Category:Categories by London borough. There are may be a few hundred more categories at lower levels, but I hope that this sample of "only" 596 categories will be enough to establish a consensus on the whole category tree.
Nominator's rationale: Most London boroughs are named after one of the districts within the territory. This creates ambiguity in category titles such such as Category:Churches in Southwark. It can reasonably read as referring to churches in the London Borough of Southwark, or to those in the much smaller district of Southwark, which is merely one of two dozen districts in the borough.
Similar ambiguities are replicated across all the other London boroughs, except perhaps those named "place1 & place2" (Barking and Dagenham, Hammersmith and Fulham and Kensington and Chelsea), which I have omitted from this nomination. There is arguably no ambiguity in those two-place names, but if there is consensus to rename the categories nominated here, I will followup with a separate nomination of the two-place boroughs to see if there is a consensus to rename them to the format chosen here.
Notes:
  1. This is a followup nomination to a CFD 2016 December 20 proposal to do this for 3 subcats of buildings in Lambeth. That proposal received a sortof consensus in principle, but there was also consensus to maintain consistency, and not make piecemeal changes. (The categories were not tagged, hence the "sortof").
  2. On the same CFD page, there was a consensus to reject a proposal to rename London pub categories from their current "Pubs in the London Borough of Xyz"
  3. The sub-categories of Category:City of Westminster are excluded from this nomination. They already use the unambiguous full title (e.g. Category:Defunct schools in the City of Westminster)
  4. The London Borough of Greenwich is officially called the Royal Borough of Greenwich, and its main category is named Category:Royal Borough of Greenwich etc. So option A above uses "Royal Borough of Greenwich" rather than "London Borough of Greenwich".
    The same applies to the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames/Category:Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames.
  5. Sorry if it is confusing to list the categories in subpages. But listing 1788 renames on this page would overwhelm it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is a serious disadvantage indeed. It could be solved within option A by creating 596 category redirects. But an easier solution may be to pick alternative B instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC) struck after discussion below[reply]
  • Couldn't the existing category titles just be turned into category redirects rather than deleted? Then "Schools in Camden" would appear in the dropdown menu on HotCat but it would correct to "Schools in the London Borough of Camden" after being selected. Ham II (talk) 22:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Looking at what our brothers & sisters are doing on our sister project Wikimedia Commons, one enters (say) >ealing< and “Ealing, Borough of London” appears in the drop down list. Then some geeky magic turns it into the correct format of >Category:London Borough of Ealing< or for what ever London Borough one types in. Many of these snap-happy editors on WC don't even know how to program their own cameras properly yet they seem to have over taken us on-the-inside-lane when it comes to the ease of adding categories. So I say stick to A for correctness and not blame our WP 'work-flow' for making things too inconvenient. Maybe this category issue can be brought up on the help desk, as both projects use the same underling software. Any thoughts? P.S. This is soon about to roll off the top of the page and think BrownHairedGirl has bought up something that needs more time to contemplate and discuss due to its importance for maintaining correct encyclopedic categorization. So can it be re-posted?--Aspro (talk) 15:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just curious, about the solution at Wikimedia Commons, isn't that the same as creating category redirects that I mentioned before? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects. Picking up on the idea of redirects, Ham II's idea of turning the current titles into redirects is a zero-work option, because when the bots move a category page, they leave a ((category redirect)) from the old title. In fact, it's a less-work option, because it's easier than deletion of the 596 redirects which will be created anyway. Does that solve the problem?
Some of the redirects could be turned into dab pages. For example, the Camden categories are ambiguous with Category:Camden, Maine, tho since it is a much smaller place (1/60th of the population of the London Borough of Camden), that may not be appropriate.
I think that Aspro is right that this discussion should be relisted to allow a consensus to form on this point. There are too many categories involved to risk having to revisit the issue. Pinging a few regular closers: @Fayenatic london, VegaDark, Feminist, and Od Mishehu: would one of you be kind enough to assess whether you think relisting is appropriate here? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:47, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As I suggest re-listing, don't think my vote should be included here– but give it a positive vote anyway. We should strike whilst the iron is still hot and smooth the wrinkles out.--Aspro (talk) 23:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting is done at the discretion of a closer, rather than being something which needs !votes. We'll see whether any of the pinged closers feel that relisting this one would be an appropriate use of their discretion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:55, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to get ahead of myself, but seems as if there's consensus in favour of Option A and the only new issue is whether to turn the existing category titles into redirects, which would fix that option's "one downside". Is more discussion needed for this or could it just be treated as an added bonus to what all !voters so far have voted for? Ham II (talk) 08:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl, Fayenatic london, Feminist, Od Mishehu, and VegaDark: Is my suggestion in the last comment workable? Alternatively, there could be a fresh nomination, this time proposing only Option A with redirects and no deletions. Ham II (talk) 06:27, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • As creating redirects appears to be less work rather than more work, I've struck my earlier comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ruthenian princesses

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Ruthenian princesses to Category:Kievan Rus' princesses (note: with diacritic after Rus, for consistency within Category:Kievan Rus' royalty); merge Category:Kievan Rus women to it.
  • Propose merging Category:Ruthenian princesses and Category:Kievan Rus women to Category:Kievan Rus princesses
Nominator's rationale: merge the parent and child category and rename them by "merging" the two names to what the categories actually contain, namely Kievan Rus princesses. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Nationality" is an anachronistic term in this discussion; useful distinctions are by ethnicity (based e.g. on common language) and by polities. The ethnicity term initially was Rus' people and later moved to Ruthenian people, but the nominated categories are about princesses, hence about polities, and Kievan Rus' is the term for the federation of polities under the Rurik dynasty until 1240, which is exactly what these princesses categories are about. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Serbian period in the history of the Republic of Macedonia

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at April 3. – Fayenatic London 10:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Serbian period in the history of the Republic of Macedonia to Category:Vardar Macedonia (1918–41)
Nominator's rationale: In the previous discussion (closed as no consensus) we were actually very close to a consensus to rename, since "create a new category and remove the old one" as commented in that discussion may well be interpreted as renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was part of Yugoslavia, but there is nothing against creating a subcategory for a historical region. It makes sense to do especially since we meanwhile know that an independent republic grew out of it and it may be important to understand its roots. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British Army appointments

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The result of the discussion was: relisted here. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:22, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Means exactly the same thing, so a complete duplicate category. I think the latter title is the better of the two (see Category:Military ranks of the British Army‎), but wouldn't object to a reverse merge if preferred. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musical ensembles with no original members

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The result of the discussion was: Delete as trivia. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:26, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Completely trivial. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:North Asian people

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 10:17, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:North Asian people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Jews and Judaism in North Asia
Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:People from Siberia. Side comment: currently the categories only contain Category:Jews and Judaism in Russia most of which is not North Asian but European instead. If it is desired to have a Jewish North Asian category, a better solution would be to create Category:Jews and Judaism in Siberia that would not include the European Russian Jews. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
comment note the creator of the category is blocked JarrahTree 09:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Funny-sounding words

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:31, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Funny-sounding" is entirely opinion-based and thus not appropriate for an encyclopedia. — Train2104 (talk • contribs) 05:13, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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