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Category:Vices

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Delete arguments center around the subjective criteria of this category as per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, which is based in our guidelines on overcategorization. These arguments haven't been rebuffed, and one keep argument even pointed to two contradictory definitions of vice in different countries. Upmerging didn't receive much consideration, and some subcategories such as Category:Pornography don't seem to easily fit into Category:Misconduct. This close does not preclude the creation of a category that categorizes articles on the topic of vice as defined by a specific country's laws or a specific organization, as that would seemingly address the rationale for deletion. If multiple such categories are created, a container category at Category:Vice may be appropriate, but you should probably gain consensus to create that category at a CfD before making it. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 18:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As it seems that Category:Sins is going to be deleted, all the same arguments apply to this. Mangoe (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If the US and the UK can't agree on a precise definition, isn't it hopeless to find a universal definition that could be used as the basis of a category? Pichpich (talk) 18:59, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works by type

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Categories by type. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Created by Stefanomione in the very final days, this groups every time a creative works category is sub-divided by a type of a type. But "Album types‎" (subcats: Cast recordings‎, Compilation albums...), "Archaeological artefact types‎" (Ancient pottery‎, Archaeological palettes‎... ), "Films by type‎" (4D films, Crowdfunded films...), "Inscriptions by type"‎ (Curse tablets‎, Multilingual texts‎), etc... none of these are "types" in similar ways. So I just don't see the logic or use, anytime a creative work category is divisible by a type of type, in grouping in this way. Perhaps others do, in this case. But I will say that the fact that Wikipedia was able to exist quite well until May 24 of this year without such a grouping, suggests to me that this is more pointless wordplay from this now-banned editor. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Artefacts

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not content with the preexisting Category:Archaeological artifacts, Stefanomione in May 2016 created this parent category -- note the different spelling -- of which Category:Archaeological artifacts is the sole content. Artefact, with an "e" is simply a redirect to Artifact, a disambiguation page that lists many different uses of the word artifact in archeology, culture, etc. He placed Category:Artefacts under his own Category:Historical objects, so it really does seem to mirror the category we already have. BTW, both categories have been added to Historical objects, so we can simply delete. As for Category:Historical objects, that's a broader matter that I don't plan to address at this Cfd, if at all. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've certainly thought about. I've started removing subcats from Category:Historical objects that were already in preexisting subcats, such as here. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Doukkala-Abda geography stubs

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as per WP:G8. Normally, I'd relist this, but the template has been retargeted so this meets G8. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 18:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A stub category I emptied since the region in question, Doukkala-Abda, was abolished last year. The stubs are now in Category:Casablanca-Settat geography stubs and Category:Marrakesh-Safi geography stubs. Template and category are nominated for deletion together. Cobblet (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Uncategorized fair use images

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCMISC. As per this previous CfD, the parent category has uncategorized images in it already. No need for this currently empty category. Not speedy-ing this because this was previously intended to be empty most of the time. ~ RobTalk 19:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dark Tranquillity

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too little content. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 17:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political pressure groups of the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:27, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: per Category:Political advocacy groups in England, Category:Political advocacy groups in Ireland and Category:Political advocacy groups by country, the last one also per Category:Conservative political advocacy groups in the United States. I previously thought this would be an WP:ENGVAR issue, but the previous CfD found that it isn't. PanchoS (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Two more discipline-related categories

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Two more late-stage "discipline"-related categories from Stefanomione, created to follow Category:Disciplines. As outlined here Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_5#Category:Disciplines, Category:Disciplines was admittedly created by another editor in a futile effort to save his own Category:Sport disciplines. And here, sure enough, in the first one, we mix Works and Objects by discipline, with such disparate things as Cycle racing by discipline‎ and Scholars and academics by discipline‎.
I'm also nominating the Objects: that one's even more preposterous. It mixes unrelated physical and abstract objects that apparently are so grouped because they are the subject of fields of study. But because everything is studied by at least one academic discipline -- literally the entire physical universe and every abstract concept -- anything that exists physically or abstractly and can have the word "object" applied could be so grouped here, no? As I argued at the original Cfd, it's really a case of WP:SHAREDNAME, for the appearance or possible application of the word "discipline" ... and now "object," too. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:16, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Charities operating in South Africa

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: Created a better solution Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per WP:CSD G7, like the other empty ones in Category:Charities operating in another country. @Rathfelder: However, I think the following structure would be better:
  • Category:Organisations of South Africa
Foreign organizations specifically operating in South Africa won't be restricted to charities. Secondly, the fact that these are foreign organizations is not necessarily defining, if they do operate in South Africa, and do so specifically, then they are still organizations of South Africa, though not (legally) based in South Africa. If a foreign organization has numerous operating areas abroad, we probably shouldn't categorize them at all, as then they are operating internationally. --PanchoS (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Rathfelder: Certainly, the lack of local roots will be relevant in some cases. But then again, an organisation may have its legal headquarters in South Africa while still lacking local roots. And indeed, "in" is more neutral, but it is so much closer to "based in", so I fear it might be too easily confused. We might also envision a structure like:
  • Category:Organisations of South Africa (non-diffusing)
I'm not so much a big fan of non-diffusing categories though, because they go against the general principle "as deep as possible". This might be an alternative, though a bit complex:
  • Category:Organizations by jurisdiction
  • Category:Organisations of South Africa ----------\
  • Category:Organizations by country of operations       |
  • Category:Organisations operating in South Africa  |
  • Category:Organisations of South Africa ----------/
Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level Category:Organisations of South Africa, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lets not rush this. It's potentially a big job. But I think something like it follows on from the abolition of Non-Government Organisations - many of which were exactly the sort of international good-doing organisations I am thinking of. And we need to think of the complications of geography. I don't want a category of organisations based in Yorkshire but operating in Manchester. Rathfelder (talk) 16:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Transport in China by autonomous region

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The result of the discussion was: merge as per nom. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 18:56, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging:
Nominator's rationale: There's no point in differentiating between first-level country subdivisions of different status all the way through the category tree. All of these are province-level subdivisions, but I guess some will insist on specifying both types. PanchoS (talk) 11:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Faculty of Arts and Science, Markaz

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Faculty of Arts and Science, Markaz to Category:Faculty of Markaz
  • Propose merging Category:Faculty of Markaz Schools to Category:Faculty of Markaz
Nominator's rationale: This whole category tree is messed up (created by a user who is now indef-blocked for socking), but here's a small start. WP:SMALLCAT. ~ RobTalk 06:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ideal Association for Minority Education

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Created by a now blocked sock. We have no article on this association, and I doubt it's defining in any event. ~ RobTalk 06:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Markaz Schools

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Created by a now blocked sock. We have no article on Markaz Garden, which is apparently the school "authority" this is meant to categorize for. ~ RobTalk 06:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman-era students in Athens

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Those arguing to keep suggest that this was the equivalent to a specific prestigious university in this time period. This hasn't been refuted. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, these people are defined by their later occupation, not by their studentship. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case it's also not an alumni category of a particular school. (On the side, I would probably not oppose if someone else would nominate the entire alumni tree.) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 05:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Baseball players from Brisbane

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category has only one entry. Also per multiple CFDs, here[2], here[3], we don't categorize baseball players by city. If a merge is the outcome of this CFD, an upmerge into Australian baseball players should be done for Brisbane also. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 05:16, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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