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Category:Naked Camera

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:39, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contains itself, a template and one other article. The template has been nominated for deletion, where the consensus emerging is to delete. If it is deleted that will leave just the title article and one other. If it is not deleted there will still only be the title article, template and one other article. It is not clear why this category should exist. --Greykit (talk) 20:00, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of War in Donbass

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposed rename: Category:People of War in Donbass to Category:People of the War in Donbass
Nominator's rationale; per the English language. Charles Essie (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support, good point. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:49, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Shabak

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:41, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There have been protests dating back 10 years on the talk page of the main article that it is misnamed -- yet it remains Shin Bet to this day. Apparently Shabak is the common Hebrew term -- while it seems to me that Shin Bet is the more widely used English-language term, based on Google results -- though one needs to distinguish between this and plentiful results for the entirely unrelated Shabak people, who have their own category here as well, Category:Shabak people. I propose to rename the category to match the main article, per WP:RECOGNIZABLE, as this is an English-language encyclopedia -- and to match the current subcategory Category: Shin Bet in fiction, which I see was created last month. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:CRÉ (Regional conference of representatives)

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The result of the discussion was: relisting on current date due to complete lack of participation here. Bearcat (talk) 16:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a badly-named category created by someone who technically has a conflict of interest (User:Conférence régionale, which if you don't know French means exactly what it looks like), but that's not really the substance of why this should be deleted. The real substance of the problem is that a regional conference of elected officers is simply the type of government that administers the administrative regions of Quebec. What this category contains, however, is not standalone articles about the CRÉs as separate topics in their own right, but the main articles on administrative regions themselves — all of which are already catted in Category:Administrative regions of Quebec or an eponymous subcategory of that. By comparison, we don't add every city's or town's primary article to a "city councils" category just because it has a council; we use those categories to contain the much narrower array of cases where the city council has its own standalone article as a separate topic from the city or town itself. So for those reasons, this is just serving as an unhelpful duplication of another category that already exists, on a tangential detail that isn't a defining characteristic of its actual contents. If some or all of the CRÉs had standalone articles about the CRÉs themselves, then a renamed version of this would certainly be appropriate — but we don't need it if it's just sitting directly on the main articles about the regions instead. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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English republicans

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The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 13:42, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. I propose merging the English, Scottish and Welsh republicans categories into British republicans. People are calling for the abolition of the Monarchy of the United Kingdom, not the English, Welsh or Scottish monarchies. Those people are citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It makes much greater sense to combine the categories, rather than having four separate categories, particularly for people who identify as British AusLondonder (talk) 15:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Roads in Ukraine by Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. For the record, this version of E50 gives an illustration of why the current categories result in WP:OCAT. – Fayenatic London 20:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. There is no conceptual problem with categorizing roads by province/state/oblast but Ukraine doesn't have even a single article about an oblast-level road. Instead, these categories group federal and international roads by every oblast they go through as they crisscross the country. Three urban oblasts with short federal roads are workable but the rest of the tree just creates category clutter at the bottom of the article. Click on European route E105 or Highway M06 (Ukraine) to see what this looks like in action. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Aleksandr Grigoryev as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Ukraine. – RevelationDirect (talk) 14:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • While it's proven remarkably difficult to enforce, the consensus indeed has been that roads should not be categorized by every individual subdivision that they happen to pass through — a national-level road should not be subcatted by every individual province or state or oblast, a provincial or state level road should not be subcatted by every individual city or county, and on and so forth. Only roads that are maintained by any given level of division should be subcatted at that level of division — subcategorization by every individual subdivision, below the maintaining division, which the road happens to pass through creates moderate to extreme category bloat which does not aid navigation. Merge all per nom. Bearcat (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose, your argument is weak. Those roads cross regions of Ukraine and the categories provide more detailed information as for the E-network roads (Europe-wide), M- and H-network roads (Nation-wide). If you check articles on regions such as oblast or Crimea, you might be able to find subsections about the information that you mentioned, so technically it defeats your argument. There is no federal level as you claim. Ukraine is an unitary state. Ukravtodor that manages roads has regional branches in every oblast and in Crimea (temporarily occupied). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:16, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Er, if Ukraine is a unitary state then a federal level is exactly the only thing that it does have. A non-federal level is what a unitary state fails to have. Bearcat (talk) 23:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the proposition will go through it is set to fail. As in the near future someone else will revive those categories. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody's trying to get rid of the articles. Bearcat (talk) 23:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Those categories will be populated more. Would you give me some time? And hold off your merging and upmerging? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My concern here isn't that the categories are underpopulated, it's that individual articles are being placed in too many categories. (Obviously you disagree, but adding more articles won't alleviate my concern.) RevelationDirect (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerging means that the articles remain as articles, but simply get moved from one category to another. It does not mean that any content disappears. Bearcat (talk) 15:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification M20 is exclusively in Kharkiv Oblast so I'm proposing adding it to Category:Kharkiv Oblast. (If we left M20 in Category:Roads in Kharkiv Oblast, it would be the only article left which doesn't aid navigation.) I'm not proposing to delete any articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, information on all the routes with in a region is located in each individual article about the region. Ukraine also is the biggest country in Europe after the trancontinental Russian Federation and some of its regions bigger than some states in Europe. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Assuming Good Faith "Revelation is itching to get rid of articles and categories about Ukraine." --@Aleksandr Grigoryev:
I'm sorry that the political crisis in Ukraine makes it difficult for you to assume good faith with other editors. I routinely nominate road categories for different countries, such as Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 16#Category:Category:Taipei Underground Streets and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 8#Category:Windsor Suburban Roads. The issue here is a basic policy one about how granular to make the geographic categories before they become non-defining.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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