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Category:Indie pop groups from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. delldot ∇. 02:13, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parents Category:Indie pop groups from Pennsylvania and Category:Musical groups from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania per WP:SMALLCAT plus not much of a scheme for indie pop groups by city. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Some more award categories‎

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Order of the Golden Spur
  • Propose deleting Category:Knights of the Golden Spur
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of Saints Cyril and Methodius
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Iron Crown (Austria)
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 1st class‎
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 2nd class‎
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 3rd class‎
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 4th class‎
  • Propose deleting Category:Jubilee Medal (Signum Memoriae) 1898
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Jubilee Medal (Signum Memoriae) 1898
  • Propose deleting Category:Jubilee Cross 1908
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Jubilee Cross 1908‎
  • Propose deleting Category:Mobilization Cross 1912/13
  • Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Mobilization Cross 1912/13‎‎
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEF. Meanwhile there seems to be some consensus that WP:OCAWARD does not apply to the one most important order of a country, but that exception does not apply to these nominated categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The nom doesn't say that these aren't clearly defined. Even if having an award is part of a person's claim to notability we can still categorize them as royalty etc without the need for categorizing by awards received as well. Recording lists of award winners is much better done as lists than as categories and having both is unnecessary duplication. DexDor (talk) 07:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political party alliances in Scotland

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERCAT & WP:SMALLCAT. Charles Essie (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Janitors

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. There's no consensus to delete this category, that is clear. Note that CFD is not cleanup so whether to purge or not to purge is not a question for CFD but for either the category talk page or each individual article's talk page. Ricky81682 (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination. What happened here is that Adela Hernandez was removed from this category in 2013 by User:DexDor, citing WP:COP#N because having previously worked a janitor has no relationship to why she has an encyclopedia article at all — and then that removal was reverted by User:Ottawahitech today, with the edit summary "checking to see if consensus has changed". But consensus is established by a group of Wikipedians discussing the issue, not by three editors getting into a revert war between themselves — so I'm bringing it here for discussion so that an actual consensus can actually be established. There are three possible outcomes here:
  1. Delete, because with only a couple of exceptions nearly everybody in this category is somebody who merely happened to have worked as a janitor at some point before whatever subsequent job promotion actually got them an encyclopedia article under some other Wikipedia inclusion criterion, and the few people who could actually survive a COPN purge would leave it as a WP:SMALLCAT;
  2. Keep, retaining everybody who ever worked as a janitor at all regardless of whether that's close enough to the crux of their notability to be considered a genuinely WP:DEFINING characteristic;
  3. Purge of anybody who isn't defined by the janitor job in any substantive way, but keep it regardless of the size of what's left over on the grounds that it is sufficiently defining of a few people.
No opinion from me, since this is a consensus test brought on by two other editors in disagreement. Bearcat (talk) 18:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it became widely known that they have been working as a janitor when becoming notable, this may be perfectly enough to be one of the defining characteristics of the public picture of a personality. --PanchoS (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The occupations a person had before (or after) doing what made them notable is material that should be included in the text of their article (along with things like marriages and children), but isn't a good way to categorize (see essay WP:DNWAUC). There may be some other articles that are miscategorized and there may be some borderline cases, but that's not a good reason to just ignore a rule. Note: the correct place for a discussion about this would be the talk page of WP:COP#N. DexDor (talk) 06:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This sounds a bit unfair as nobody suggested to change or weaken WP:COP#N. Clearly, biographies should only be categorized by defining features. However, we're not in a better situation to decide what is defining than the authors of the actual article, so there is no use in purging the category in a mass-effort. Also, we disagreed with making a difference between janitors and, say, chemists. If defining: categorize. If not defining, don't. --PanchoS (talk) 10:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • If Ottawahitech doesn't want to change/weaken COP#N then why is xe disregading it (and not inadvertently - xe reverted an edit that was made per COP#N)? Editors who specialise in categorization (and are hence more familiar with the category structure and the relevant guidelines) are often able to improve the categories the original author put the article into - e.g. adding categories, using more specific categories, removing redundant categories (per SUBCAT) for consistency across a range of articles. In my experience (apart from articles written by SPAs about people of very dubious notability that are spammed into many categories) this type of overcategorization (not following COP#N) is more often caused by someone other than the original author - Adela Hernández is a good example of this. DexDor (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fully agree with the rest you said, but how do you come to the conclusion that not enough people were defined by this? --PanchoS (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most people's notability doesn't depend on their exact birth year, their alma mater, maybe even their nationality. In a number of cases, it may however depend on their occupation as a janitor. For these cases, this category exists. This line of argumentation clearly goes too far in narrowing the meaning of a defining feature to a single aspect constituting someone's notability. --PanchoS (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Mandarin-language categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with three other sub-cats within Category:Mandarin Chinese. This is a follow-up to Oct 13 where naming other categories to the longer form "Mandarin Chinese-language..." was not agreed. – Fayenatic London 13:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support As per previous discussion.--Zoupan 16:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Central and Eastern European rebellions

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete per proposal of Fayenatic london. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Does not warrant a split category. Awkward naming, using two "separate" regions.Zoupan 07:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comment As per this, delete sub-categories Category:Baltic rebellions, Category:Balkan rebellions.--Zoupan 08:00, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think that separate rebellions-categories be maintained for these. Instead, if a rebellion is regarded important to such an extent, it could be added to those categories, yes.--Zoupan 16:14, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably not necessary to do the latter, because the rebellions would be within the national sub-categories in each case. – Fayenatic London 08:59, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rebellions in the Slovene ethnic territory

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 09:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Awkward name. I have created Category:Slovene rebellions (ethnic) and Category:Rebellions in Slovenia (country) where I've now recategorized three articles.Zoupan 06:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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American college sports championship team navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Bring consistency to category tree, matching other categories for other sports. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Armbrust, thanks for pointing that out. I have now tagged all of the categories. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:37, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. There's not enough support for the rename to me but that can be proposed next or a new listing in combination with all the subcategories as suggested here.Ricky81682 (talk) 20:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Should match current articles, War in Afghanistan (2001–14) and War in Afghanistan (2015–present). George Ho (talk) 06:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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