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Category:Dj Trevi

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:40, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Not enough content for a category. Delete per WP:OCEPON (eponymous categories). Tassedethe (talk) 23:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is is an invalid category and should be removed without controversy.--Soulparadox (talk) 02:35, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:History of the Islamic State (caliphate)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Empty category apparently trying to be something other than a category. —teb728 t c 22:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chinese Nationalists

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This close is no bar to an early re-nomination along the lines discussed. – Fayenatic London 10:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposd ranaming:
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with other categories. Charles Essie (talk) 21:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:South Tyrolean nationalist

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with other categories. Charles Essie (talk) 21:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Richard and Linda Thompson albums

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 14:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is no article on them as an act and Richard has several albums of his own already. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:31, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Thimerosal controversy

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per main article Thiomersal controversy. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Radioactive Man albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge and redirect. – Fayenatic London 10:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same artist, different pseudonym. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hindi films of 2014

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:2014 films and decade categories by language. In practice this will be implemented by deleting Hindi and Malayalam categories as they are now empty, and merging Category:Kannada films of 2014 to Category:2010s Kannada-language films, Category:Telugu films of 2014 to Category:2010s Telugu-language films as well as Category:2014 films in each case. – Fayenatic London 21:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not only are these category names inconsistent with the other sub-categories of Indian language films, but per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 October 21#Tamil films by year and other discussions, these categories are unnecessary, and should be deleted. The contents can be upmerged to Category:2014 films and to the sub-categories of Category:Indian films by language. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the articles in these categories are not lists, so they should not be in Category:Lists of 2014 films by country or language. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FILMCAT states "Year-Country films categories should not be created, unless the project decides it is wise to do so". So as these are the only year-country categories across the hundreds of languages, then it's a fair assumption not to have them, unless a future consensus changes. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Lugnuts: That section simply says it should not be done, but not really why it shouldn't be done. The underlying rationale seems to be to avoid small categories but, as I state above, many of these nominated ones are well populated ones. SFB 14:02, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There have been other discussions about categorization by year, which have resulted in those categories being deleted. See this discussion and this one. Just because these categories are populated, does not mean that they are necessary. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The rationale for those discussions was again "we don't encourage this". I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, but we need an underlying reason why we shouldn't do this. This is sorely required for any nomination otherwise the category system would become a system of pure tradition, rather than one based on classifying logic. SFB 18:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Logic would dictate that if a large category needs to be broken down into sub-categories, one way to do that is to sort by decade. This has already been done with Category:Tamil-language films by decade and Category:Malayalam-language films by decade, and the same can be done for Hindi-language films. But breaking them down further by year is unnecessary, and in some instances creates categories that are too small to populate, plus there is clearly no consensus to do so. That's three reasons why these categories should be deleted. Fortdj33 (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Biggest names in the Business

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:49, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. The category is not appropriate for an encyclopedic resource. Also, the tone is promotional. Soulparadox (talk) 19:54, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Municipalities of Brazil

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The result of the discussion was: do not merge, or at least no consensus to do so. Clearly, more info on the status of municipalities in Brazil would be helpful here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Two categories that serve the same purpose. Merge into the better developed and older category. There is no intention to rename subcategories since keeping the current names may be desirable. This change also matches the correct parent naming. There is a related discussion here. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Greens

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. There is strong consensus to rename to something. Category:Green politics politicians and Category:Politicians of Green and Ecology parties had some support, but not as much as the original proposal. The risk of this being interpreted as "novice politicians" is probably slight. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: ambiguous with other meanings listed at greens Tim! (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This begs the question of what is a "Green" or "Ecology" party unless it's an impermissible categorization based on name. What positions must such a party endorse or oppose to be in and out?? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:47, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would say it is about the political movement, codified into political parties that carry that as their core message. But, I'm interpreting Peterkingiron's proposal based on why I found his option acceptable. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Sport players from Louisville, Kentucky

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge as proposed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to Category:Sportspeople from Louisville, Kentucky and the relevant sport-specific category for Kentucky (e.g. Category:Baseball players from Kentucky). CfD has been very consistent in not taking the category structure down to the city/sport specific level (see past discussions for Chicago, Portland, Oregon and a slew of cities pertaining to ice hockey - there are many, many other examples of this existing consensus if needed). Reasons have been: 1) Breaking down to the sport/city level is not generally considered defining, 2) Causes overcategorization and category clutter, 3) "<Sport X> players from Kentucky" categories are the occupational nationality sub-category as is (to American <Sport X> players) and taking categories to the city level (vs. state/province) gets us further away from the national identity of the subject, which can be confusing for non-natives. The typical response is that "Sportspeople X category is too large," but I would submit there is no maximum size limit for categories if the structure is right (see Category:Harvard University alumni - 9,400 entries, Category:Detroit Tigers players - 1,600, etc.). Rikster2 (talk) 13:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:C programming language family

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close as the category page was not tagged (the talk page was tagged instead). If it had been tagged and there had been no additional contributions, the result of the discussion below would have been keep. – Fayenatic London 11:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: What is the purpose and scope of this category?

This category can have some real value for languages that are either C or closely related to it as some notion of family. At present though, it seems to be assumed that any block-structured language invented after K&R is "C family". That is both nonsensical and encyclopedically pointless: we have a value to grouping languages that have some real C relation, but not if we take the simple line that "everything since C is C". Andy Dingley (talk) 12:15, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is it perhaps a better solution to split the category instead of deleting it?Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete is just the default entry on the CfD and there isn't one for "What the hell is this?"
We need to define what this category means. I don't object to this category in principle, but it has just had Java / ECMAScript / Ruby / Perl / Python added to it. They don't all belong in a useful category with this as a name. The only category that includes all of them would be something like "any programming language invented in the last 20 years" and that just isn't a useful category scope.
What is a "C family language" ? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Java, ECMAScript, [Dart, Go, OpenMP] were already listed. Wes Turner (talk) 12:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What is the distinction between this category and List_of_C-based_programming_languages? Wes Turner (talk) 12:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They're both unreferenced crap? Ratfor is even older than C. (There is no book "Software Tools", it was a series of three related books, "Software Tools in Fortran", "Software Tools in C", "Software Tools in Pascal". Only the C book flavour is remembered today, Ratfor only appeared in the Fortran version). So what is the definition (for either article or cat) of a "C family" or "C based" language? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • So what categories do you think we should distinguish for the 64 articles that are in the nominated category? Marcocapelle (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

keep The purpose of the category is clearly stated. It is a legitimate subcategory of its parents. If a few articles do not belong here, then remove them by normal category maintenance; this is no reason to delete the category or even to be discussed here. Hmains (talk) 03:56, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please clarify though why Ruby (and others) are "C family" languages. There seems to be no real connection for many of these, they're just the high-visibility popular modern languages. Their syntax isn't C like, their object models aren't C++ like, they don't have a development ancestry from C. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:43, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep Do they depend upon the C_standard_library? Wes Turner (talk) 21:28, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That would have the merit of at least having a clear distinction to it, such that membership of a category could be managed.
The problem with it is that it is based on a notion of low-level implementation, rather than theoretical design of a language. If you invent a new DSL, or you implement an interpreter for Whitespace or Brainfuck then (depending on the tools you use to build it) it's likely to depend on the C library - especially in Windows, where everything, no matter how distant, seems to drag in dependencies on .NET, then MFC, then stdio.h.
If this category and list are to have any encyclopedic value, then they should list languages that have a historical development path heavily based on C. Anything else is WP:SYNTH and playing "match up the words in the language spec". If they don't have clear encyclopedic structure, then they should go. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No-one reads category talk: pages but I've raised it at WikiProject Computing Andy Dingley (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Inactive South Korean boy bands

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. This is a current category, like the others nominated over the last few days and per the precedent of Sept 16. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mad Heads albums

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The result of the discussion was: keep but make it a sub-category. – Fayenatic London 11:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same band, different names. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep and make Category:Mad Heads XL albums a subsection, as precedent Category:Cat Stevens albums where Category:Yusuf Islam albums is a separate category and subsection even though it's the same person (discussed here). I think some reasons apply - according to the way the band describes it, it's not a simple band name change, but a new project. It's a rock/psychobilly trio that in 2004 formed a new band with twice the headcount in a different genre of music. That said, I don't feel as strongly about this as I would if they had dropped a member when they formed their new project or done a massive genre shift, as Stevens did. While I think the subcategory is the best solution, I'd think our readers would be served almost as well with a redirect. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonriddengirl: But it's not like Cat Stevens changed his name for a musical project. E.g. when E became a band named Eels for commercial purposes but has also released one album as "Mark Oliver Everett" and another as "MC Honky". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:35, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Koavf, I'm not sure I understand your point there. :/ What difference does it make why Stevens changed his name? (The deletion discussion, linked above, leaned heavily towards musical differences in its keep.) The point for me is that it seems to be a new project, not the same one known by a different name. That, to me, is the essential defining characteristic. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonriddengirl: Maybe I'm not understanding. I thought your rationale before was that these were distinct musical projects but that's not the case for Stevens/Islam. He started performing a different genre of music but not because he had a musical pseudonym. Similar categories like Category:Johnny Cash gospel albums and Category:Paul McCartney classical albums have been deleted because we don't want to create an intersection of artist/genre categories. Are you saying we should now? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My rationale now is that it is a different musical project. My opinion hasn't changed. :) It is my assertion that Stevens/Islam is the same situation. As I wrote in my open, it is my understanding that these are different bands. Band A was a rock/psychobilly trio. Band B incorporates the members of Band A but is not the same band. Again, I have never heard these bands. I'm basing this opinion on their own assertion of their histories. The purpose of the name change for Stevens/Islam is immaterial; the comparison relates to the fact that in both cases we are dealing with an entirely different musical entity in spite of continuity of membership (in the case of Mad Head XL, some continuity of membership; in the case of Islam, complete). --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:26, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Academy Special Achievement Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The title of this category is awkward and not accurate. The actual award is called the Special Achievement Award. It should be changed to Category:Special Achievement Academy Award winners to match the article name Special Achievement Academy Award. - Gothicfilm (talk) 03:30, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support based on the nominator's rationale. Even if this weren't the case the current wording is clumsy anyway. Betty Logan (talk) 01:43, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support better wording; agree that the current wording is awkward with the category term being embedded in the general grouping term. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:05, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It should be consistent with the others, like Category:Best Director Academy Award winners. - Gothicfilm (talk) 01:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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