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Hymns

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The result of the discussion was: rename, without prejudice to re-creation if needed to house non-Christian hymns of a particular nationality. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not all hymns are Christian. I'm pretty sure all the hymns in these categories are. -- JFH (talk) 23:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They should first be by country of origin like Category:Songs. I would support a rename for Latin to Latin-language. In my mind, hymns with notable translations should be in both categories. -JFH (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • All national categories heirarchies are defective when considering the ambiguity in the naming, as ethnic groups and languages with the same names exist. It would be better if they were clearly indicated for this purpose by stating "national" or using the noun form (ie. Category:Christian hymns of the Scotland , Category:Latin-language Christian hymns , Category:Ethnic Greek Christian hymns ) Using noun-form country names is especially important since several countries share the same demonyms (ie. Congo (not Zaire) & Congo (Zaire), Niger & Nigeria, etc). -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like something that should be taken up at the much more developed Category:Songs by country tree (better yet, Category:Media by country). This one should follow suit. --JFH (talk) 03:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, the intention is for these to be country categories except Latin. Language categories would be "English-language" etc. See Category:Songs by language and Category:Songs by country. --JFH (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hymns are texts, not songs. (So are the canticles, for that matter.) They don't have to be sung. A lot of hymns are sung to tunes of different national origins, often shared with other texts; when you piece together a Latin text with an American translation that's typically (but not always) sung to a German tune, where does it come from? The whole implicit thesis that writing hymns is like writing pop songs is wrong. Mangoe (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hymns are songs by the most common definitions, including our article. But even if they weren't, all texts have national origins just as songs do (see Category:Books by country or Category:Poems by nationality). For the example you gave, it goes in a Latin-language cat, and if the country where the Latin original was composed can be identified we can cat it that way too. It can be catted American if the translation is discussed in the article. As for the tune issue, this is a problem because tunes are usually considered distinct from hymn texts. But right now we have very few articles on hymn tunes on their own. I don't see a problem with catting a hymn which is usually sung to a German tune in a German hymn cat as well as the other cats. --JFH (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That we give a misleading definition of "hymn" is a different problem, but at any rate, I think the national origin claim is mostly untrue. All of the German examples, for instance, are included there not because they were written in Germany (which did not then exist) but because they were all written originally in German (I suspect because they're mostly early Lutheran works), although examples where the translation is the name of the article are categorized by the translator. Likewise the Welsh category is for texts originally written in that language, even though one member was written in the US. The Irish examples are also a mess because there's no indication that in their original forms, they were meant to be sung. The American/Canadian/English/Scottish subdivisions cut across all this.
I don't think the intentions here are very clear at all. My guess is that a substantial majority of these hymns are noted here because they are widely sung in English translation; therefore all the Lutheran hymns are likely to be "English hymns" because the principal translator (Catherine Winkworth) lived in England. Blazhen Muzh is American because the American Orthodox did the translation; for the same reason the Latin ones are all over the map (literally) because almost all of them were translated at some point by Thomas Cranmer or some other Englishman or American. Mangoe (talk) 21:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cleveland Stars players

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Cleveland Stars players to Category:Cleveland Cobras players. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Same franchise. WP:OVERCAT. – Michael (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – Michael (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Railway stations in Palnadu

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: it is a small area in Guntur district, for railways a district itself is a small area compared to whole country, hence pages under these are easily fitted in Guntur district as it is a part of Gutnur district Vin09 (talk) 17:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Conneaut Lake, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Community with just 1 entry. ...William 16:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Saegertown, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small community with only 2 entries. ...William 15:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Guntur Coast

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The result of the discussion was: merge; redirect left. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: it is purely a page in guntur district, no need of category Vin09 (talk) 10:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So, shall I nominate it for deletion?--Vin09 (talk) 13:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • redirected page and merged the categories. the discussion can be closed.--Vin09 (talk) 03:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vin09: FYI - The usual procedure is to let the open discussion take it's course. Then, an admin will assess the discussion and close as appropriate. Nominators should not undertake action mid-discussion as this makes it difficult for other people to assess the category and contribute their opinion. SFB 17:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Sillyfolkboy: Sorry, I did not know about that, as this is the first time I participated in category related discussion, I reverted it back, let the discussion continue.--Vin09 (talk) 03:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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