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All Stars Awards winners

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. This seems reasonable given the long track record of award categories. I see the nomination by FL as completing cleanup and this is not a repudiation of the close he did. However given the comments here, the old rename targets need to be reviewed and probably nominated for a review to see if they should be kept. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:41, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. I closed this CfD which attracted very little interest, and settled on consistency with List of All Stars Awards winners (football). Looking at the sub-cats, two are broken out by county which I do not think is appropriate. As for "All Star Gaelic footballers" and "...hurlers", they (i) lack the plural (Stars), and (ii) seem to have the same scope as the parent, which is at least partly my fault for the way I closed the previous CfD. – Fayenatic London 22:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Randolph Township, New Jersey and category:Margate City, New Jersey

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Margate. Randolph is a no consensus call. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation: To be consistent with article title, which has the word "Township" in its name. The same goes for Margate "City". Tinton5 (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC) Also, to chage Category:People from Randolph, New Jersey to Category:People from Randolph Township, New Jersey.[reply]

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category:Original Fellows of the Royal Society

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The result of the discussion was: Closed. Nominated category not tagged and with no discussion, this is the best that can be done. No objection to renomination following a correct listing of the category. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The correct term is "Founder Fellows" not "original Fellows" and there is already a correctly named category. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Foreign Members

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Whether we need to have this type of categorization at this level should be a new nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Foreign Members" of what? And unless "Foreign Member" is a formal title in each of these, I'd recommend sentence-case capitalization for the subcats. Same issue with Category:Corresponding Members. BDD (talk) 17:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rename both. I have created C:Foreign Members following the shortened pattern of C:Corresponding Members. It's better to rename them as proposed - these full names are much propre. --Elkost (talk) 05:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People by organization that assassinated them

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The result of the discussion was: listify and delete. Also, recategorise in Category:Assassinated people by nationality and Category:Assassinated people by occupation, as the cases that I looked at are not otherwise categorised within Category:Assassinated people. – Fayenatic London 17:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:People by organization that assassinated them
  • Propose deleting Category:People assassinated by Hashshashin
  • Propose deleting Category:People assassinated by the Mossad
  • Propose deleting Category:Palestinian people assassinated by the Mossad
  • Propose deleting Category:People assassinated by the Soviet secret police
  • Propose deleting Category:People assassinated by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna (note: added to nom DexDor (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC))[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:People assassinated by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (note: added to nom DexDor (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC))[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Categorizing people by cause of death (illness, suicide, murder etc) etc is one thing, but categorizing them by which organization was responsible for their death goes a step too far (i.e. it's even less WP:DEFINING of the person). There may also be cases where which organization was responsible is disputed. These categories could be listified (e.g. to the articles about the organizations). Note: There is a related discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_July_25#Category:Assassinations_by_country_and_Category:Assassinated_people_by_nationality. Note: For any articles about assassinations (i.e. events) the organization responsible may be a defining characteristic. DexDor (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is valid to have categories of "assassinated people/occupation categories" or "assassinated in country" but attribution of responsibility can be difficult to verify.
The only exceptions I can think of are acts during wartime (including civil wars), acts occurring during an internal purge of a government, or acts committed through covert espionage that is later confirmed in secondary sources. But just because a media analyst on a network news channel claims a particular government or organization is responsible for a murder should never be taken as proof. Newjerseyliz (talk) 16:05, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can you think of a sample Category, OWK, so I can track that down? I did a category search for "assassinated by" and posted some examples I found on the related proposal from July 25th. 69.125.134.86 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have both "People executed by <country>" and "People executed in <country>" categories. If we delete the by-organization categories we can still categorize someone as a "Fooian fooer assassinated in Fooia". IMO it's WP:OVERCAT to also categorize by assassinating organization; that the organization may be disputed is not the main reason for this CFD. DexDor (talk) 02:18, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Although I agree with you, DexDor, I thought this CFD was all about whether people should be categorized by organization/state that purportedly was responsible for their assassination. It's right in your rationale, often responsibility for a murder is ambiguous or falsely assigned. Newjerseyliz (talk) 19:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The main reason why I proposed this category for deletion is that categorizing a person by assassinating organization is going (IMO, at least) a step too far from what's really a WP:DEFINING characteristic of a person (i.e. the first sentence of the nomination). I also mentioned another difficulty with this categorization. I should have made that clearer as experience at CFD shows that people often ignore the main rationale and try to pick holes in anything else mentioned in the nomination (hence why so many of my CFD nominations contain "For info"). DexDor (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't about "alleged" perps - this is about assassinations (which are almost always inherently notable, as an assassination is a targeted killing of a political leader.) In addition, we have a whole executions by country tree, which covers cases where prisoners are executed by a state actor. Thus, classifying assassinations by state actors and by non-state actors is perfectly reasonable within the existing scope of categorization - though only if there are clear RS attributing the assassination to entity X, and only if entity X itself is notable and has a number of assassinations attributed to them. It would be reasonable to consider only classifying articles about assassinations, vs just people, but we don't have many of those, so ultimately people may end up in this category.-Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:48, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@OWK. Please read the nomination. This CFD is specifically _not_ about assassination articles (example) - it's about assassinated people articles (i.e. bio articles that are often already in dozens of categories such as "Alumni of..."). DexDor (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Killing a candidate for office, no matter what their chance of winning, is generally considered an assassination, at least if it was not done by a jilted lover or an enraged spouse.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete->Listify - Useful information (especially the JVP/LTTE) but I agree categorization smacks a bit of overkill. Open to changing either way based on the arguments other people present.Pectoretalk 03:33, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russian people of World War II

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The result of the discussion was: not merged. Whether these should, as a whole, use "Russian" instead of "Soviet" is a box to be opened another time. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories contain the same subjects. Usually when they say that someone "fought the WWII" they mean military and vice verse. In Russian Wikipedia this category means literally "People of Great Patriotic War (term)". 217.21.43.22 (talk) 14:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nominator....William 15:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - putting Category:Auschwitz concentration camp victims from Russia under a "military personnel" category isn't right. There might be other changes that could be made with these categories. P.S. Neither category under discussion has been tagged. DexDor (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
By the way Category:Auschwitz concentration camp victims from Russia contains only one article. Is it a category after all? -- 217.21.43.22 (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But we might consider changing "Russian people of World War II" to a parent category "Soviet people of World War II" with "Soviet military personnel of World War II" as a child category. Not all Soviets were Russian and if there is a "Russian people of World War II", there should also be "Georgian people", "Ukrainian people", "Belarus people", etc. Newjerseyliz (talk) 16:14, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean to merge both Category:Russian people of World War II and Category:Soviet military personnel of World War II to Category:Soviet people of World War II? -- 217.21.43.22 (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want to open the Pandora's Box of ethnic identity? (See Republics of the Soviet Union). Americans might have used "Russian" when they meant "Soviet Union" but I can guarantee that Soviets who were not Russian were quite aware of the fact they were of a different ethnicity. In 1990, only 50.78% of Soviets were Russian. [1] Just because people in the U.S. didn't make distinctions doesn't mean that they didn't exist. For example, you have different partisan fighters in different Soviet Republics and so you have Category:Ukrainian people of World War II, Category:Belarusian people of World War II or Category:People of World War II from Georgia (country).
Another issue is that Category:Russian people of World War II is a subcategory of Category:Soviet military personnel of World War II and Category:People of World War II by nationality.
The confusion is that you have a) Nationality, b) Republic and c) Ethnicity. USSR is the nation, Russia is the Republic as well as the Ethnicity. Just like someone might be an Irish American living in CA. There are lots of Irish Americans and California is the most populous state. But not all Americans are Irish and not all Americans live in CA.
I plead with you, look at how ethnic and citizenship categories for the Soviet Union have already been handled on other issues. Newjerseyliz (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Central Intelligence Agency (1991). "Soviet Union – People". The World Factbook. Retrieved 25 October 2010.
No, I definitely don't want to open Pandora's box. Otherwise it will kill Wikipedia. I just want to make one-to-one correspondent categories in Russian and English wikipedias. Firstly to determine which persons (military/nonmilitary) should be included. Secondly, if we can distinguish Russian/Soviet, then choose something more general or more neutral. Does it make any sense to have a separate category to include nonmilitary who lived during this or that war? If we can't compromise I'll try to change the categories in Russian Wikipedia, if it will be possible. 217.21.43.22 (talk) 12:49, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kenyan football transfer lists

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rationale: Kenyan Premier League is not a notable league, so it's no need to create transfers articles as well as their category and navbox. Banhtrung1 (talk) 14:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of college bowl games

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:30, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The current title is misleading because it implies that it should be used for articles pertaining to lists of bowl games in general. The proposed title would clearly indicate that it is for articles of teams' bowl games. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Town Managers of Saugus, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The convention for naming such people is from Foo not of Foo. Article creator has done it this way because he says the town charter doesn't require a person to be from Saugus to be Town Manager. I'm bringing the dispute here in a good faith effort to resolve it. If the category is renamed as I proposed, I feel it should be made a subcategory of 'People from Saugus, Massachusetts'. ...William 12:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami relief

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is being used to tag articles about ships, organizations, airports for which involvement with relief after the earthquake/tsunami is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic. There are a couple of articles to be upmerged (Operation Tomodachi, Humanitarian response to the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami). The parent category (2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami) should also be purged. DexDor (talk) 06:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, I hadn't realised there were all those musical albums for which this disaster is a defining characteristic - CFD withdrawn. DexDor (talk) 02:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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