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Ethnic culture by state and city in the USA categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename all. If there are outliers that don't fit this scheme, bring them up for separate renaming nominations.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming

Ethnic culture by city in the USA -

Ethnic culture by state in the USA -

Nominator's rationale: Some of these city and state categories have already been renamed by others. I think that they should all be renamed collectively, rather than continuing this pattern of renaming them one at a time. The categories were being incorrectly used for biography articles, when the purpose is for cultural and historical articles. Also, I feel that all categories should be uniformly hyphenated. Vis-a-visconti (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, come to think of it, I should probably list those categories here too. Rename them all at once. Give me a little bit and I will add the rest. Vis-a-visconti (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the correction. I believe I have added all of the state and city categories. Vis-a-visconti (talk) 06:32, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
However in general the heading already say they are about the history and culture of x-Americans in the given place. Realistically most of those involved with these things are to some extent American, and since many have never have lived anywhere else it really does not work to not use the American modifier. Since the US grants citizenship with birth in the US, among other ways, it is inevitable that large numbers of the people involved in any of these things will be US citizens.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you mean but it just doesn't work that way in real life. Take Netherlands for example. They have a big influx of Turkish people but you will never listen to someone say, "Dutch-Turkish culture in Amsterdam". They would say, "Turkish culture in Amsterdam". —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 02:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But the Netherlands, unlike the United States, does not give citizenship to all people born there, so that is a horrible example to use to try to decide how to name categories involving the United States.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT Some of these categories included are painted with a broad brush and the renaming is insensitive to the original intent of the category. On that grounds, I would oppose but I only have one dog in this fight. Specifically: [[Category:Germans in New Jersey]] isn't "German-American" by any stretch. It's a collection of sites and locations connected to Palatine German settlement in the northwest of the state in the 18th century (1709 to 1780/1790, roughly). It should be renamed to [[Category:Palatine German settlement in New Jersey]] or something appropriate and similar. The current proposed move to [[Category:German-American culture in New Jersey]] lacks precision vis-a-vis given the nature and intent of the category and quite frankly, I fear the nominator has probably made this mistake throughout the list of proposed changes. Please review each before unwise moves get discovered later. But on the basis of [[Category:Germans in New Jersey]], I oppose.--ColonelHenry (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The articles address settlement, culture, history, etc. There is one category that I have seen that deviates from either naming pattern, the category Category:Irish-American history and culture in Texas. I did not create this category. The category name conveys the idea, but I think it would be cumbersomely long to add "culture and history" to all of these categories. 'Fooian diaspora' seems like it could work as a naming pattern, though there may be negatives to that I'm overlooking. Vis-a-visconti (talk) 14:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Night series

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category does not properly explain its overall purpose or significance. Paper Luigi T • C 22:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Eldorado, Texas

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. The Bushranger One ping only 02:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small town with just 1 entry ...William 19:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dragonlance organizations

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It's a category with only one article, which looks like it will be shortly merged into another. It also seems too precise for our purposes as an encyclopedia. —Torchiest talkedits 15:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Category is now empty. --Qetuth (talk) 07:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rauma

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The result of the discussion was: rename (C2B, C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 23:04, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To distinguish it from Category:Rauma, Finland, see also Rauma, Finland and Rauma, Norway. 91.155.210.216 (talk) 12:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Toy Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: That an organization has expressed it's approval of something (e.g. Ball, Bicycle, Blanket) is not a defining characteristic of that thing. The articles in the category are listed in the National Toy Hall of Fame article. If it's decided that this category is OK then would a category such as "Things the UK does not levy sales tax on" be OK ? DexDor (talk) 07:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - most/all sports hall of fame categories would fail WP:OC#AWARD (recipients of an award should be grouped in a list rather than a category) and I can see even less justification for placing objects in such categories. DexDor (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see, there are exceptions; I see no reason this shouldn't be one likewise. Powers T 21:24, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The point being that this is a defining characteristic, unlike (say) recipients of honorary degrees from Harvard. Powers T 21:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Falklands War weapons

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:15, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Being used in a small conflict isn't a defining characteristic of a particular weapon. We don't have such a category for most conflicts/wars (Kosovo, Gulf I, Gulf II ...) which leads to the anomaly of an article such as Mark 82 bomb having a single "by war" category. There is already an article at Weapons of the Falklands War (which is, in effect, a list article). The following subcategories would also be deleted: Category:Falklands War artillery, Category:Falklands War guided missiles, Category:Falklands War infantry weapons, Category:Falklands War naval weapons. If this is deleted then consideration should also be given to deleting categories such as Category:Falklands War aircraft. Note: A category for weapons used in a global conflict may be OK - "World War II weapons" is virtually synonymous with "weapons introduced between 1919 and 1945" which is a defining characteristic. DexDor (talk) 06:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In response to some one who questioned my vote: "listify" consists for converting the category to a list article - the term is well understood by regular CFD contributors and frequently applied to performance by performer categories. This usually applies to singers and actors: we do not allow the participants in a particular TV show or the actors in a film or musciians who have played in a venue to be categoirised as this produces too many categoiries a the foot of the article. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stations on the Jinghu Railway

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 02:16, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merging with Category:Stations on the Beijing–Shanghai Railway to be consistent with the article Beijing–Shanghai Railway. Makecat 04:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Yogyakarta

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The result of the discussion was: it looks like we will have both, then? Category:Yogyakarta Special Region was created but has been nominated for speedy renaming to Category:Special Region of Yogyakarta. Feel free to nominate either again. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:37, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. As it is, this category is being used for both the city and special region, but not in an organized way. Since the city lies within the special region, there will be likely be less work tidying it up for this rename, but alternatively we want to savage this category to be used for the city specifically. Mayumashu (talk) 01:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - english - save perhaps rather than savage? From memory the reason for creation of the separate categories was assuming a specific separation of the city/special region on the basis that conflating the city with the separate special region is an error of judgement - the region has historically some important features that should not be confused in the difference between the city and region... SatuSuro 13:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, meant 'salvage' Mayumashu (talk) 17:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The city of Yogyakarta deserves its own category. I created Category:Yogyakarta Special Region and added some articles. AsianGeographer (talk) 15:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Populated places in Yogyakarta

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is for places in the Special Region of Yogyakarta and not the city of Yogyakarta. Mayumashu (talk) 01:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think this word order does seem better too but the article was renamed 'The Special Region of Y' from 'Y Special Region' - I didn't look into the reason. Mayumashu (talk) 17:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:List of Black Fashion Models

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:17, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm not totally sure how these categories go, but it seems per WP:EGRS#Ethnicity and race that we categorize people by ethnicity, not race, and we already have a fleshed-out category tree for models of African ethnicity. Plus, I see no categories for "Black actors" or "Black musicians," so there doesn't seem to be a precedent for such categorization. At the very least, if kept, the category should be renamed Category:Black fashion models or Category:Black models.  Mbinebri  talk ← 00:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll accept an edit or new name for the category. SunDevilKnitter — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunDevilKnitter (talk • contribs) 02:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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