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Category:Militant Zionist groups

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The result of the discussion was: keep.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Militant Zionist groups to Category:Zionist organizations
Nominator's rationale: The category substantially overlaps with Category:Jewish paramilitary organizations (broader scope) and, for the most part, its contents also are in Category:National liberation movements. Category:Zionist organizations does not contain so many pages as to necessitate splitting out a subcategory with just 4 organizations. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pre-IDF military units

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Militant Zionist groups.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Pre-IDF military units (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The function of this category—grouping articles about Jewish armed forces prior to the founding of the IDF in 1948—is performed better via the categories Jewish military units and formations, Jewish paramilitary organizations and Militant Zionist groups. All pages in the category already appear in one or more of the other categories, all of which are more descriptive than this one—"pre-IDF" merely implies "pre-1948". -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of Speedy nomination
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Category:Jewish army units

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Jewish army units to Category:Jewish military units and formations
Nominator's rationale: There is not enough content (just 9 unique units) to justify subcategorization by branch (army, air force, marine, navy). Moreover, since there have been few or no non-IDF Jewish air force, marine or navy units, it is unlikely that subdivision by branch ever will be needed (IDF units are contained within Category:Israel Defense Forces). -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Colon

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Colon to Category:Colon (anatomy)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match Colon (anatomy). I think colon alone is just too ambiguous, given its various meanings in anatomy, grammar, places, etc. The nominated category should probably be a disambiguation category of some sort, similar to what currently exists at Category:Colón. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Antimagyarism

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Antimagyarism to Category:Anti-Hungarian sentiment
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match the article Anti-Hungarian sentiment. Antimagyarism means the same thing and redirects there. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stage works by P. G. Wodehouse

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The result of the discussion was: rename. We have no "stage works" categories; "plays" is what the category system calls these things.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Stage works by P. G. Wodehouse to Category:Plays by P. G. Wodehouse
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This was nominated at the speedy section under crtierion C2C but was opposed (see copy of discussion below). My rationale is that this is the usual and pretty much universal way to categorize "stage works" that are by a particular author: see Category:Plays by author. This is the case whether the works in question are drama, comedy, musicals, revues, or some other genre. The objector's opinion that "plays" necessarily implies "drama" is not one that is borne out by the way similar categories have been applied in the past, as far as I can tell. (If for whatever reason "plays" needs to be avoided in this one case, I would think something like "theatrical works" would be a slightly more consistent name for the category system, since there are a lot of categories that use the word "theatre" and terms derived from it, but not really any that use "stage".) Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
  • Category:Stage works by P. G. Wodehouse to Category:Plays by P. G. Wodehouse — C2C Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose. "Plays" implies straight drama; many of Wodehouse's stage works are musicals and revues, not plays, which is why the term "stage works" was adopted. Jimmy Pitt talk 22:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • According to Play (theatre), the word is not so limited—it can be used in a general sense to mean a theatrical production. There is an extensive category tree for Category:Plays, which includes a number of different genres and Category:Plays by author, and there is a category tree for Category:Musicals if that's what you were intending, but there is nothing for Category:Stage works, nor is there even an article called Stage work. Having it in the Category:Plays by author tree helps users find it from an alternate route of category tree browsing. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • While, according to Play (theatre), "the term "play" can be either a general term, or more specifically refer to a non-musical play", the entire article is written from the latter perspective, and that is how I would usually interpret the term. Wodehouse's works for the stage include a small number of "plays" (in the sense of straight drama), several "musicals", and one or two "revues": it was precisely because his works cover several stage genres that I adopted the term "stage works", a term that is, despite what you imply, widely used in wikipedia, as, for example, in Kurt Weill, Johann Strauss II and List of compositions by Thomas Arne. Trying to shoehorn everything into rigid categories doesn't always make sense. Jimmy Pitt talk 23:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • I was implying that the term is not widely used (or used at all) in the WP category system, which is true. If a play can be a wide range of theatrical works, I see no reason not to use the standard naming for categories of this type. One doesn't need a shoehorn if the shoe slips on pretty well. (It would also be appropriate to add more specific categories like Category:Revues and/or a subcategory of Category:Musicals, where appropriate.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Motorcycling destinations

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Motorcycling subculture and purge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Motorcycling destinations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: So ambiguous in what qualifies inclusion within it as to be useless. Literally anywhere could be a "motorcycling destination". SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I expect if the category grows, it should be split to put roads like Maryhill Loops Road and Stelvio Pass in one cat and public houses like Ace Cafe London and The Rock Store in another. Currently they're thrown together because there are so few items in the category it didn't seem urgent to split them. The word "destinations" is a bit of a kluge that is meant to cover both roads and bars/inns/restaurants. --Dbratland (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, a number of sources support keeping Blue Ridge Parkway. American Motorcyclist described it as one of "America's top-10 motorcycling roads". --Dbratland (talk) 22:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no mention of motorcycling at all in Blue Ridge Parkway, and the articles I saw in Google Books looked like travel guides, not essays into the significance of the road in motorcycling subcultures. That is the key. The total number of motorcyclists who've visited, say, the Dixie Travel Plaza undoubtedly far exceeds those who've visited Newcomb's Ranch, but whereas the latter mentions the relationship of the place to motorcyclists in the opening, there is none in the former. Similarly, people of Bangladeshi origin or descent attend religious institutions all across the United Kingdom, but Brick Lane Mosque merits a place in Category:Bangladeshi diaspora in the United Kingdom because of its special significance to that community. I could be convinced, but compare for example a broader search on motorcycle Route 66 vs motorcycle Blue Ridge Parkway. We can't be attaching a relationship to every curvy road that attracts weekend bikers, which goes to GOf's point below about better defining the scope of the category. My proposal to upmerge is an attempt to maintain what we have while that scope is defined and the category more fully populated.- choster (talk) 23:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? We take the source material that states that Blue Ridge Parkway is a notable motorcycling destination, add a section to Blue Ridge Parkway containing what the sources say, cite it, and call it good. You can't do that with just any old road or establishment you choose; it is only possible in those cases where the sources tell us it is a notable motorcycling destination. Nobody proposed using "total number of motorcyclists" as a criterion. We don't know that statistic and we don't care. We are following what the sources tell us, nothing more or less. --Dbratland (talk) 23:28, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Edit away. --Dbratland (talk) 23:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Photographs (people)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Under any name, categorizing articles named for persons under a method of generating their likenesses is a bad idea.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Photographs (people) to Category:People featured in famous photographs
Nominator's rationale: First of all, the current name makes no sense without having to read the category's description to understand the intent of the category. Second, the category's description makes no sense; it states this category is for "articles about well-known photographs where the article is named after the person in the photograph." If the article is named after the person, e.g. John Smith, then the article is about John Smith, not the photo featuring John Smith (this was the case for every such article in this category that I checked). If the article were about the photo, it should be titled Photograph of John Smith, or some such, and then it would be excluded from the definition of this category because the article would not be named after a person. (The description goes on to say, "If the photograph has a recognised name, it should be placed in Category:Photographs instead," which doesn't make sense, either, because the name of the photograph does not necessarily reflect the name of the article, and the article title is how we're deciding what goes here, isn't it?) It may sound like I'm really just arguing to change the category's description, but since the current name, as said, makes no sense, it seems a better idea to change the name to something that clearly describes the category's contents, than to simply change the definition of a name that has no inherent logical meaning. 63.104.174.146 (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scotland national football team results and fixtures

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Scotland national football team results and fixtures to Category:Scotland national football team results
Nominator's rationale: Per this AfD and the resultant repurposing of the only page in this category which contained fixtures, this category is purely about results now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 17:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Georgian media

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Media in Georgia (country). This almost certainly needs to be revisited, as creating "Georgian (country)" would match a lot of category tree formats. But we don't have consensus on that yet.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Georgian media to Category:Media of Georgia (country) or Category:Media in Georgia (country)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To disambiguate the word "Georgian", as has been done at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 10#Category:Georgian people and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 28#Category:Georgian culture. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Inkworld trilogy

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Inkworld books to Category:Inkheart trilogy books
Propose renaming Category:Inkworld characters to Category:Inkheart trilogy characters
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 9#Category:Inkworld trilogy. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:SOBSI

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The result of the discussion was: rename. If the article is moved, we can put this back.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:SOBSI to Category:Sentral Organisasi Buruh Seluruh Indonesia
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The proposed name is a heck of a mouthful, but if renamed it would match the article Sentral Organisasi Buruh Seluruh Indonesia, which is the usual way of treating eponymous categories. If renamed, definitely keep a redirect from the nominated category, since SOBSI redirects to the article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dokdo class landing platform experimental ships

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Dokdo class landing platform experimental ships to Category:Dokdo class amphibious assault ships
Nominator's rationale: The category covers the class and first-ship articles (with more ships to come in future) of a class of 'LPH' designated ships in the Republic of Korea Navy. Now, the other type of 'LPH' that comes to mind is the U.S. Navy's Iwo Jima-class , which is categorised as Category:Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ships. Therefore this is proposed for renaming for consistency and accuracy (and because, I believe, the "LPX" designation that leads to "experimental" in the current name only applied to the class during the planning stage before it was named...). The Bushranger One ping only 00:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roller coasters at Tokyo Disneyland

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Roller coasters at Tokyo Disneyland to Category:Roller coasters in Japan
Nominator's rationale: There's only one page in this category. Category:Tokyo Disneyland contains other non-roller coaster attractions at Tokyo Disneyland. There's really no need to have a special subcategory of Category:Roller coasters in Japan and Category:Tokyo Disneyland for Space Mountain (Tokyo Disneyland) c y m r u . l a s s (talk me, stalk me) 00:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Actors who have played Superman characters

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The result of the discussion was: Delete both. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Actors who have played Superman/Superboy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Actors who have played Lex Luthor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Similar categories to these have been deleted over the years I don't know how many times. They are a variety of performer by performance overcategorization: "Avoid categories which categorise performers by their portrayal of a role. This includes portraying a specific character (such as Darth Vader, or Hamlet)." Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works by John Gardner

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Works by John Gardner to Category:Works by John Gardner (American writer)
Propose renaming Category:Novels by John Gardner to Category:Novels by John Gardner (American writer)
Propose renaming Category:Essays by John Gardner to Category:Essays by John Gardner (American writer)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match John Gardner (American writer) since John Gardner is ambiguous and there are a number of works by John Gardner (British writer) with articles on Wikipedia. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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