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Category:Municipalities of Grisons

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 12:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Municipalities of Grisons to Category:Municipalities of Graubünden
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match the renamed parent category Category:Graubünden. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former municipalities of Grisons

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 12:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Former municipalities of Grisons to Category:Former municipalities of Graubünden
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match the renamed parent category Category:Graubünden. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Beaux-Arts buildings

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close, this isn't anything that needs CFD to do. Kbdank71 13:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Beaux-Arts buildings to Category:Beaux-Arts architecture
Nominator's rationale: Rename. MoS; categories for the other architectural styles do not use "buildings". APK How you durrin? 07:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fine! I agree(?) also since all but about 10 of the 81 buildings are American, this might be renamed to Category:Beaux-Arts buildings in America with the 10 removed, again under the new head-cat. Johnbod (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Beaux-Arts buildings in the United States, surely. Otto4711 (talk) 02:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the proposed parent cat is up for deletion it's probably not a good idea to start creating sub-cats. Otto4711 (talk) 03:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I thought that was my line Otto - didn't you think people should be be bold instead of just sitting around moaning yada-yada .... I'm confused. If you read the nom, you'll see it is just up for renaming anyway. Best to wait, I still think. Johnbod (talk) 05:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure what you're finding so confusing. This nomination is about a parent category. Mozart biographers is not a parent category, nor would the suggested Mozart scholars category be. Otto4711 (talk) 15:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:North Korean university navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 12:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:North Korean university navigational boxes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Only one entry (itself listed at TfD), unlikely to be more. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sunscreening agents

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Kbdank71 12:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Sunscreening agents to Category:Emollients and protectives
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category should be renamed based on extended discussions at WT:PHARM:CAT regarding the categorization of pharmacology articles. Please see WP:PHARM:CAT and WP:DERM:CAT for more details. kilbad (talk) 01:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Acne treatments

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 12:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Acne treatments to Category:Anti-acne preparations
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category should be renamed based on extended discussions at WT:PHARM:CAT regarding the categorization of pharmacology articles. Please see WP:PHARM:CAT and WP:DERM:CAT for more details. kilbad (talk) 01:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not all acne treatments are preparations.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 01:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nor are they really "treatments" in the general sense of the word. I can't see anything in the category at the moment which couldn't fit with the term "preparations". The one that is missing from the current category and isn't a preparation is sunlight, but that could simply be discussed in our article on acne. Physchim62 (talk) 13:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So, apart from the things that aren't that way, they're all that way... that's not an argument.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Blue/red light treatment is a specific acne treatment, and is not a preparation. There are other laser treatments that have been used, and there are some steroid injections and mechanical treatments which can't really be said to be acne preparations either.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 18:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Vancouver television series

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The result of the discussion was: split into Category:Television series set in Vancouver and Category:Television series filmed in Vancouver. Kbdank71 13:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Vancouver television series to Category:Television series set in Vancouver
Nominator's rationale: Per naming conventions of other similar categories. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:St. Paul's School (New Hampshire) alumni

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus--Aervanath (talk) 06:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:St. Paul's School (New Hampshire) alumni (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Sorting by non-defining characteristic. Where one went to high school is no more defining than any other level of school short of university. TM 01:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, yes, more often than you would think. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not categorizing schools by alumni; it's categorizing alumni by schools. The question is not whether schools are defined by their alumni, it's whether an alumnus is defined by where they went to high school. And what constitutes a "major" high school, and what criteria are used to determine that? Otto4711 (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You tried that for the US in this cfd. You would get nowhere at all with Old Etonians. It's simply a matter of opinion whether high school is defining and enough people agree with Mjl0509's argument below (which applies to many non-boarding schools) to ensure that consensus to delete these categories will be elusive. Occuli (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes I did. And yes, I've acknowledged that the logic takes most people no where, probably because of some inculcated fanship cruftiness for such things that in the grand scheme of things are trivial. But the old boys will never admit it. It's a losing battle, fighting all these cabals. I'll just have to await the forthcoming "WP Night of Long Knives" in which a certain WP bureaucrat purges all consensus-imposed "bad categories" from the WP body. Until then—rah, rah—go team! Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you suggesting that your approach to overcoming consensus that you don't like is to follow the example of what happened on the Night of the Long Knives in 1934? We have already had problems with trivialization and minimization of the Holocaust, and I sincerely cannot understand why Adolf Hitler's orders to systematically murder dozens of people, many of whom solely based on differing viewpoints, is a subject for a joke here. An appropriate explanation and apology is necessary. Alansohn (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This certainly applies in the UK. I can think offhand of Roy Hattersley, George MacBeth, Cyril Connolly (Enemies of Promise - Eton) who have written complete books concentrating on their schooldays (the first 2 attended day schools) but not of any exclusively on university days. George Orwell (also Eton) even wrote Such, Such Were the Joys on his schooldays pre-Eton. Occuli (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed Connolly writes ""Were I to deduce any system from my feelings on leaving Eton, it might be called The Theory of Permanent Adolescence. It is the theory that the experiences undergone by boys at the great public schools, their glories and disappointments, are so intense as to dominate their lives and to arrest their development. From these it results that the greater part of the ruling class remains adolescent, school-minded, self-conscious, cowardly, sentimental, and in the last analysis homosexual." In brief, he found the experience to be defining. Occuli (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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