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I would like to move that we remove this from the page. Its purpose is vague at best: individuals whose fame and/or excellent work on the Wikipedia should be given a Hollywood Walk of Fame star (those whose deserves a Hollywood Star because they're famous, get a Hollywood Star). The "excellent work" portion is redundant with other barnstars. I don't see any reason to keep it around. – ClockworkSoul 01:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Poll: Should we remove the The Hollywood Walk of Fame Barnstar? (1/0/0) – Poll opened March 2, and will close March 9 (1 week should do it?)

Yes

1. Yes, for the reasons I stated above. – ClockworkSoul 01:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
2. Yes -- BRIAN0918  01:59, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
3. Yes, as per ClockworkSoul. Redux 03:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
4. Yes. Though the concept is nice, I think we should look at this more. So I wish for this to be gone, just for a short while. Zscout370 12:07, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
5. Yes. Replace it. -- AllyUnion (talk) 08:07, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
6. I am inclinced to agree BrokenSegue 00:04, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No

1. NO! Keep, but use a different description for awarding the barnstar (see my comments below). gK ¿? 20:18, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Abstain

Comments

• I'm not sure I'd go so far as to remove it completely, at least not yet. Maybe its purpose can be clarified instead? Also, it might be a good idea to actually incorporate the barnstar into the image, probably by replacing the actual star with a barnstar that looks like it. -- BRIAN0918  01:34, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • This looks to me like just an excuse to use the "Hollywood walk of fame" image. Honestly, I'm not sure what we can even do with the idea. I don't think we need to try and salvage every bad idea that is unilaterally added to the listing. – ClockworkSoul 01:43, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree with ClockworkSoul. This award is redundant at best. I see no reason whatsoever to try and salvage it. Regards, Redux 03:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• I agree that this award is redundant in its current form. There's nothing here that isn't covered in the other barnstars (such as the original Barnstar). However, this is a Hollywood star, and I think there's no reason why we shouldn't use it for entertainment articles. This barnstar could, for example, be used for the "Society" category below. --Deathphoenix 14:00, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I concur with Deathphoenix. I feel that maybe this type of award be given to those articles that exemplify the best articles that deal with Hollywood (i.e. actors, actresses, directors, etc). Wouldn't that make more sense? -- Riffsyphon1024 08:22, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Oh, yes: I also agree. That's why I suggested we use it for the "Culture" category barnstar, below. – ClockworkSoul 14:32, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Since I awarded the first Hollywood WoF barnstar, I would like to give my two-cents worth. The reason for giving the barnstar should be changed, but the barnstar itself should be kept. Here is my idea for the barnstar: If you look at the stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, you will see that there are the various names, and above each name is an icon for a field of endeavor (such as the recording industry). A few people have two stars (usually Movies and TV), but very few have more. Bob Hope has four stars, but only Gene Autry has stars in all of the categories. The people who work on the wikipedia are somewhat similar in that although they may dabble in multiple areas, they usually only shine in one. The Hollywood Walk of Fame Barnstar should be for someone who has done very good work in multiple areas on the Wikipedia (but not necessarily barnstar-worthy work in any single area), or who has done outstanding work in at least two areas. The barnstar that I awarded User:AllyUnion is an example of the first instance. Someone who has shepherded several articles through the featured article process, as well as done a great job of playing whack-a-mole with vandalism, would be an example of the second instance. [BTW: I think that there should be a Featured Article Barnstar that is given to anyone who has been responsible for at least three featured articles.] [PS: I don't know the reason, but User:AllyUnion put "I quit. Good bye." on their User page today.] [PS#2: Since this is one of the more obscure areas of the Wikipedia, you might allow for another week since any decision made here has no major time constraints.] gK ¿? 20:18, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(Credit for the original idea goes wholly to brian0918) Rather than be faced with a periodic addition of random topic barnstars, I propose that we preemptivey create a series of Category Barnstars, based primarily on the categories listed on the main page, used to reward brilliant work in articles in one of the following categories:

• Culture – Art, literature, music, philosophy, religion
• Geography – Geography, "nation" articles
• History – Archaeology, history
• Daily Life – Education, food & drink, language, sports & games
• Science and Mathematics – The "hard" sciences: Biology, geology, medicine, mathematics, medicine, minerology, physics
• Society – Economics, government & politics, law, media, royalty & nobility, war
• Technology – Technology, transportation
• Oddball – The types of articles listed in Wikipedia:Unusual articles

Implementing this system would, in the end, keep the number of barnstars at a manageable level by providing a number of very categories, thus preventing a "Barnstar Creep" that could eventually result in dozens of "niche" stars. This would also allow us to implement a stylistic standardization to these articles, giving these barnstars a common theme and/or "look and feel". – ClockworkSoul 06:27, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In preparation for a ginormous discussion, I've moved each header up one size, and added sections for each. Please keep discussion in these sections so that nobody's comments are missed and each can be easily archived. Add any image proposals to the appropriate section's gallery along with a number and your name (see example in Technology section). -- BRIAN0918  15:38, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Before we go and choose images, let's decide whether these are really the categories that we want. Anybody have any opinions? I for one, now think that we should roll Mathematics into Science. Also, for convenience and clarification, I took the categories from the scheme used in Wikipedia:Featured articles, and mapped it to an appropriate category. – ClockworkSoul 15:00, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Culture

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• As listed above, I think we can use the Hollywood Walk of Fame star for Society, unless you think Hollywood is too US-centric. --Deathphoenix 14:06, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe it is, maybe it isn't... but if we do use it, I think that we should: A) Incorporate it into a common "category" theme of some kind and, B) Clean up the image so that it looks like a barnstar rather than an self-taken picture of a Hollywood star. – ClockworkSoul 14:27, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe the word "Hollywood" could be taken out? -- BRIAN0918  15:32, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Here's a weak attempt on my part. -- BRIAN0918  06:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I think that actually works... nice job. – ClockworkSoul 17:46, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Looks good. I have no preference what you use the star for, and I don't mind if you remove it from the list to replace it with something else. My suggestion sat all alone on the talk page for a few months before someone gave me the award. I ask, however, if Hollywood Walk of Fame Barnstar is removed that an appropriate one be replaced on my user space. -- AllyUnion (talk) 18:45, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Of course - as far as I'm concerned, you've more than earned it. – ClockworkSoul 19:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• I moved this star to Culture, where it's a bit more appropriate. – ClockworkSoul 14:32, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay - now what do we call it?

Everybody seems to accept this star as it is, so before pasting it up, let's figure a name on it. Keep in mind that the culture star is meant to represent some broad categories: Art, literature, music, philosophy, religion. – ClockworkSoul 04:38, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'll start with the obligatory non-creative name. How about the Barnstar of Fame? I think this star would be best for the categories you describe above... but for "modern" themes. I'm not sure that someone who wrote an article on the advanced teachings of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates ("Morons!", quoth Vizini) would appreciate getting such a barnstar. --Deathphoenix 13:38, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How's this for an obligatory non-creative name: Barnstar of High Culture? I think that can fit all the categories (art, literature, music, philosophy, religion) there fairly. – ClockworkSoul 13:58, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Even worse idea from me: Culture Barnstar. My brian is fried due to classes at college :( Zscout370 18:17, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Barnstar of the Arts. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:35, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

The name has a ring to it, but I think that it neglects the other aspects, like philosophy and religion. – ClockworkSoul 15:43, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Proposal

The Barnstar of High Culture Category: Culture (art, literature, music, philosophy, religion) The Barnstar of High Culture may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine culture-related contributions. This award was introduced on March 232005 by brian0918 and ClockworkSoul, and was designed by AllyUnion and brian0918.

Nothing has been said here for a bit, so I'm going to post this proposal. Because the discussion was not active, I picked the image and name that I liked best. Also, I wasn't sure exactly how to arrange the credits so that it would be both correct and brief, so please feel free to let me know if you don't like anything. I don't want to make any unilateral decions! – ClockworkSoul 15:43, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • Also, I am including a "Category" subheading that I was thinking that we could include on all the "category" barnstars. As usual, let me know what you think! – ClockworkSoul 15:43, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Looks good to me. I like the Category subheadings. -- BRIAN0918  20:00, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm back! I see things have picked up during my absence. This award looks good to me. I especially liked the idea for the subheading with the category description. One thing: are we starting to add the awards to the project page as they are approved here, or are we waiting until all of the category awards are ready to install them all at once? Regards, Redux 01:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • Perfect. You should get the finished proposals to the barnstar page faster. Bratsche^{talk random} 03:28, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

History

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  Caesar History Barnstar (Riffsyphon1024)
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  Ancient Ruin History Barnstar (Riffsyphon1024)
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  Ancient Ruin History Barnstar (Riffsyphon1024)
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  Ancient Ruin w/ more overgrowth (Riffsyphon1024)
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  Stone star with some overgrowth (ClockworkSoul)
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  Stone star with some overgrowth (ClockworkSoul)
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  As previous, sans background (ClockworkSoul)
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  As previous, sans background (ClockworkSoul)

How is it even possible to have one thing that describes history? I must ponder for ideas. Something historic that everyone can relate to. -- Riffsyphon102406:54, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

• I have it: World-famous figure superimposed over an old stone-like barnstar. Enter the Caesar barnstar. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:11, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Just like with the Science Barnstar, I think it looks a bit creepy to stick someone's head on it. I personally think just a mable Barnstar will be good enough. Maybe the marble can have some cracks in it, to so it like it was found like it was an ancient ruin. Zscout370 04:12, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Love the stone star, but the head is creepy not unlike the way a porcelain doll late at night is creepy. Maybe just the stone star, with an inscription (maybe in Greek and some weed growth along the bottom, so that it looks like a monument? Just a thought... – ClockworkSoul 04:26, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Ohh I like that idea; I'll get to work on it. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:01, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
• I like the second drawing of the ruin Barnstar. Looks great and keep up the awsome work! Zscout370 15:02, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• I decided to try my hand - what do you think? – ClockworkSoul 16:44, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • And a second one, with a bit more growth. – ClockworkSoul 16:53, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • It looks good on the star itself but lacked in background I think. The moss effect requires a fine touch and the cracks even more. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:19, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
      • Do you think both elements can be combined? I like the star Clockwork did, yet the background Riffsyphon did. Zscout370 23:28, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • I have posted a third version with more overgrowth, no cracking though. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:31, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure how I feel about a background like that on a barnstar... it just seems a little busy. – ClockworkSoul 03:21, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Busy can be a good thing. But that would be as busy as I would make it. If it were to have anymore overgrowth (it already has alot), then I would end up changing the background to more of a jungle. However I like how mine is more similar to Stonehenge. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:18, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • For either version of the "overgrowth" barnstars, I like what you did with the stars themselves, but I'm not sure we should put a background on them. It makes the stars feel much more like a picture than an "award". Maybe leave in the barnstars with the growth, but leave out the background images. --Deathphoenix 17:38, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • I readded my images, without any backgrounds. What do you think? – ClockworkSoul 18:05, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • They both look good. I think I prefer the barnstar with both the cracks and the overgrowth (ie, the second one). --Deathphoenix 19:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • I agree with Death. Zscout370 19:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • Agreed. -- BRIAN0918  20:10, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • I concur. The "cracked" barnstar with overgrowth and no background (that sounded like an order in McDonald's...) is the best image so far. Good work! Redux 01:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • I still don't understand why the background would take away from the barnstar. It's defined as a barnstar which has been known as the symbol for a Wikipedia award. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:57, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
        • The "Ancient Ruin with More Overgrowth" looks acceptable. Needs decay. Jedo1507r 05:09, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
          • You don't think that it looks like its covered in green algae? – ClockworkSoul 18:02, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Okay - now what do we call it?

We seem to be making some good progress with the image itself, so what do we want to call it? There are, of course, the obligatory vanilla names, The Barnstar of History or The Historical Barnstar, but does anybody have anything better? (Please say yes - those suck). – ClockworkSoul 19:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I can only think of two right now: The Ancient Barnstar, or Barnstar of Antiquity. --Deathphoenix 21:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • My submissions: The Barnstar of the Times, The Barnstar of Human History, The Epic Barnstar. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:05, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • I like The Barnstar of Human History and The Epic Barnstar... – ClockworkSoul 23:46, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • I too like The Epic Barnstar. I could also suggest: The Old Timer Barnstar. Regards, Redux 02:02, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Epic Barnstar sounds good. -- BRIAN0918  02:20, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Barnstar of the ages. I my opinion the picture of the barnstar should be "worn out" by history (ie cracks and rust etc) and vegitation should have "grown: on it. A combination of several pictures :) --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 04:29, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• How about the Barnstar of Time. Zscout370 04:33, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vote or die!

This has languished here long enough. We have several proposed barnstars here, and many proposed names, so I think it's ready for a vote. The voting period is open-ended, and will be closed when a clear concensus is reached. In the event that no concensus is reached, a second vote will be held among the front-runners. – ClockworkSoul 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image selection board

No deadline; board will be closed when a clear concensus is reached.

Name selection board

No deadline; board will be closed when a clear concensus is reached.

I've voted! I guess I get to live... ;) Redux 03:17, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Proposal

The Epic Barnstar Category: History (archaeology, history) The Epic Barnstar may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine History-related contributions. This award was introduced on April 152005 by brian0918 and ClockworkSoul, and was designed by ClockworkSoul.

• This has been sitting around for some time now. How does this look to everybody? – ClockworkSoul 04:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • It looks so old and ancient... oh wait, that's the point. Okay, looks like we have ourselves another barnstar. Nine thumbs up! --Deathphoenix 05:35, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Looks good to me. Zscout370 00:39, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Good. I think you should post it on the main project page now. Bratsche^{talk random} 03:29, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Oddball

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  Oddball eyeball barnstar (Riffsyphon1024)
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  Oddball green version (Riffsyphon1024)
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  Oddball darker green (Riffsyphon1024)

• Added to list by ClockworkSoul. Used to award unusual articles (the first recipient would be exploding whales, I think).
  • First thing I thought of when I heard the word "oddball": "eyeball". -- Riffsyphon1024 05:14, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
  • Why is that barnstar watching me as I move around the room? It's creepy, and I think I likes it. – ClockworkSoul 05:18, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Ahhh! The eyes! The eyes! They stare at me in my dreams. Wash it off, wash it o... I mean, I like it. Could you maybe lighten the green a little? It's a little too bright on some monitors, methinks. --Deathphoenix 23:53, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Sure, coming right up. A darker version is what you meant. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:23, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
• It works for me. Zscout370 23:59, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • How about if the eye slowly blinks at you every once in a while? :)  BRIAN0918  04:42, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Hmmm... not too sure about that. I'm not sure an animated image is such a good idea to place as a barnstar for people. Many people (including me) don't like animated images, and I'm not sure how they'd feel about getting one on their use page. --Deathphoenix 05:35, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • If it did blink, it would have to be very infrequently, and happen very quickly, so that people aren't even sure if they saw itthe first time. – ClockworkSoul 15:42, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I love the darker green eye: it's a brilliant idea, methinks. :) – ClockworkSoul 04:30, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Yup, I like the darker shade. Actually, ClockworkSoul came up with a good idea... what if it were set up to blink VERY infrequently, and the blinking was just a single frame. That is, the animated GIF would have just two frames: one for eye open, one for eye closed. The one for eye closed would blink for just one frame, maybe every twenty or thirty seconds (so this is almost like an Easter Egg of some sort). Riffsyphon, would you be able to do that? If not, I could see what I can come up with tonight, but as the original creator of this image, I'd like you to take first crack at it. :-) --Deathphoenix 14:04, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • I could redownload the EasyGIF to make it, however I am currently under the gun of a large history paper. See what you can do. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:13, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Okay - now what do we call it?

• If we're happy with the green-eye-barnstar, what should we name this abomination... er... star? Perhaps simple: The Green Barnstar, or obvious: The Oddball Barnstar? I can't think at the moment, so does anybody have any good ideas? – ClockworkSoul 04:49, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• The Monsters Inc. Barnstar? J/k. It's fine as The Oddball Barnstar. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:44, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
• It should be the Oddball Barnstar. Zscout370 11:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Yeah, I think Oddball Barnstar should be the one. --Deathphoenix 14:04, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• No questions. Oddball Barnstar it is (or should be). Redux 02:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Proposal

The Oddball Barnstar The Oddball Barnstar may be awarded to an editor who creates a particularly fine article regarding a subject that is odd, whimsical, or is otherwise something that one wouldn't expect to find in more traditional encyclopedias. This award was introduced on March 222005 by ClockworkSoul, and was designed by Riffsyphon1024 and brian0918.

Here's a quick workup, using the slightly darker version of the green barnstar. What do you guys think? Should we open for a vote? – ClockworkSoul 17:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Its a keeper. If there is a vote for this, my vote will be a strong Yes. Zscout370 18:19, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • How about just saying "... or is otherwise something that one wouldn't expect to find in other encyclopedias."? --Deathphoenix 20:51, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I copied it from the Wikipedia:Unusual articles page, but you're right. I changed it to read "in more traditional encyclopedias". How's that sound? – ClockworkSoul 23:00, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Sounds great! Nine thumbs up! --Deathphoenix 23:05, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Nine thumbs up? (boggle) You're a starnge duck, DP. – ClockworkSoul 23:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Sorry, that should have been seven thumbs up. I was trying to quote Homer Simpson. --Deathphoenix 23:43, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• FYI - the reason I'm trying to get this star out so quickly is because I want to award it to Ta bu shi da yu (while he's hopefully still reading his talk page) for exploding whale, which has become something of a Wikipedia icon (you can even buy [[exploding whale]] T-shirts and mugs!). – ClockworkSoul 23:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• It's awesome. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:37, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
• Yeah, that's a good enough reason. I was looking forward seeing a blinking eye, but TBSDY definitely deserves this barnstar first. --Deathphoenix 23:43, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • There's no rule that says we can't always add it later. :) – ClockworkSoul 03:05, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I actually did make a blinking version, but my animation software kept spitting out a low-quality result, so I gave up. I had the eye blink at 10 seconds, then at a minute, then a couple minutes, and when it was blinking, it was just a peach half-circle for the closing eyelid, then a full circle for closed, then half-circle again for opening. -- BRIAN0918  03:18, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Hmmm... sounds too frequent. I'd be more in favour of a single cycle, at around thirty or sixty seconds, and the blink should be quick, probably around the same speed as a human blink. --Deathphoenix 15:21, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • The thing is, that the viewer has to hang around long enough to notice it. But then we don't have to tell anyone outside of this that it blinks at all. We secretly impliment this "easter egg" and then let them find out on a dark spooky night, with the lights off and only the glare of the computer screen lighting their room, and they happen to stumple across what they thought was a blinking eye, but it was just their imagination, or was it? :) -- Riffsyphon1024 17:22, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually, that's exactly what I'm hoping for. :-) Thirty or sixty seconds (or perhaps twenty seconds) is a long enough time such that not everyone will see it. Only those who happen to have it open like that will see it... or did they? --Deathphoenix 17:34, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I hope that we can get it implemented. I really love the idea. – ClockworkSoul 17:40, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • If I have time, I'll see what I can do tonight. I would probably be able to preserve quality of the image. If it takes too long, we can always use a static GIF version of the Barnstar, and replace it with an animated picture with the same name later. --Deathphoenix 18:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I learned how to make animations in Photoshop, and here's my attempt. Lemme know if I should change any of the timing settings, or anything else. -- BRIAN0918  19:18, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• That's pretty awesome :) Is it me, though, or is the image clarity different? – ClockworkSoul 19:36, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • It's you, you're crazy. :) Apparently animated GIFs all have to go through this "optimization" process to cut down on filesize (otherwise it'd be like loading each frame of the animation as a separate picture), so that'll change the appearance slightly. It looks like the animation might be a little sharper than the original image, maybe due to less colors being used. Not sure. -- BRIAN0918  19:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I still like it, and I think that we should adopt it. I revisied the proposal above to use the new image. :) – ClockworkSoul 20:06, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • At first, I was disappointed because as soon as I looked at it, it blinked at me. But that was because I had the page loaded for a while before I looked at it. I don't believe it, but I like an animated barnstar. :-) 45 seconds is a long enough time for this to be an Easter egg. Thanks to all involved, and seven thumbs up! --Deathphoenix 21:36, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Shouldn't it have green eyelids? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:45, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • And whales aren't supposed to explode. Don't try to explain it.  :)  BRIAN0918  00:23, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, precious. Gollum... I mean... I like the blinking barnstar. It looks good. No it doesn't! Who wrote that?? It was the Barnstar, I tellsa ya! It's alive!! Redux 02:38, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• I have found an article that might be worth awarding with our new Oddball Barnstar: Dwarf tossing. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:46, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • I went and gave the star to the article's author, David.Monniaux. – ClockworkSoul 17:55, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Oddball Barnstar was added to the project page under the category "topical barnstars". I don't think that this barnstar is topical. One can be...excentric in any topic (dwarves and whales are not in the same topic, but two users have deserved this barnstar for those articles – or one of them, but whoever is the main responsible for the dwarf article should definately get this award). Regards, Redux 18:30, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mathematics (merged with science below)

This topic has been merged with Science. See below

• I just can't think of anything for this, but I still think it should be kept separate from science, as it is category-wise. -- BRIAN0918  15:07, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I know that this is a Main Page category, but it really can't be awarded for too many things. It's not like "life" or "culture" that have literally tens of thousands of articles for each. I think that we should keep these categories as broad as possible, and roll math into science. If we decide not to, I would like to consider "economics" to be math, at the least. – ClockworkSoul 15:13, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Alright, I'm fine with merging them together into a "science and mathematics" group. -- BRIAN0918  15:22, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Science and Mathematics

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  5. Electric Atom (ClockworkSoul)
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  6. Radioactive Barnstar (Riffsyphon1024)

• My first thought about science was how bohring it can be :) The monitor I'm using for the next couple weeks is about 12 years old, so is not very good for doing work in photoshop. Let me know how it can be improved using your fancy 21st century technology. -- BRIAN0918  04:15, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Brian, you're just too punny! I like the "atomic star" thing alot; I was thinking along the same lines myself. – ClockworkSoul 17:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • It looks fuzzy to me. -- AllyUnion (talk) 08:06, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I used a cartooning effect to make the barnstar look like part of a diagram, something on which you'd see one of those old atomic models. Would simply sharpening it be enough? -- BRIAN0918  14:37, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Might I propose a version? -- Riffsyphon1024 08:44, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Of course: you can propose anything you like! This isn't a private club. ;) – ClockworkSoul 14:33, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • This is my version: -- Riffsyphon1024 20:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• And while I'm on the idea of pasting heads onto barnstars, how about the Einstein Science/Math Barnstar. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:27, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • A note on my uploads. The people's images are fair-use in that these are common images of them and are all over the place. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:37, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • I have no complaint about the images themselves, but I personally feel that pasting images on heads onto barnstars is... well, just a little creepy. Perhaps I'm just creeped out by the disembodied Christopher Walken head pasted onto the now-defunct PrankStar? – ClockworkSoul 15:40, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Well I admit that Christopher Walken is kinda creepy himself already. Lol. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:57, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
      • True that! And his floating, disembodied head, doubly so! It makes me shudder to think of it! – ClockworkSoul 04:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • How about just his mustache and hair? Would that be too creepy? If not, would it be recognisably Einstein? --Deathphoenix 14:05, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • I'm afraid that such a barnstar would end up resembling a "Groucho Barnstar", and would end up being more funny than "scientific". – ClockworkSoul 14:09, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have a suggestion. How about create one of those circle things such that each point of the barnstar touches the edge of the circle? Or create a special 6 point barnstar. -- AllyUnion (talk) 08:12, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Like a pentagram you mean? – ClockworkSoul 15:40, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  I'm not sure how you got a pentagram from what I was talking about. I was suggesting that the overlapping circles or "orbitals" intersect each other such that they only have five points on the inside. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:21, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I thought I would try my hand with The Gimp, and came up with the electric atom star... – ClockworkSoul 14:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I like how it looks like it's radioactively glowing. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:09, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • I posted a different one. Does this look radioactive? -- Riffsyphon1024 00:23, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
    • It looks a lot like the Surreal Barnstar. -- BRIAN0918  00:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Although I like the various recent attempts, I'm still supporting the first 3. The serious folks who probably contribute a great deal of science and mathematics articles might consider these later versions to be too "tacky". Plus, I'm naturally biased.  :)  BRIAN0918  00:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I removed another version I made as copying it and editing it person after person deterioated its quality, and posted this in its place. I must really get to writing that paper. Plus I agree, it does look like the Surreal. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:36, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

I liked the proposition n. 3, the "Barnstar atom", by Riffsyphon. I believe it has that science-serious appearance that would be necessary for this award, as Brian well said. That image surrounding the barnstar, those circling atoms, is very reminiscent of science. Although the "radioactive barnstar" looks cool, it may be too colorful for this particular segment of contributors. Regards, Redux 02:19, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay - now what do we call it?

There hasn't been much discussion here so far, so do we have any good ideas for names? Obligatory vanilla names, The Barnstar of the Sciences or The Scientific Barnstar. Another thoughts I had: The Erudite Barnstar. – ClockworkSoul 19:59, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I propose these elemental names: Wikipedium or the Wikipedium Barnstar. Maybe Barnstarium? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:39, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
• How about Atomic Barnstar, or Bohrnstar? -- BRIAN0918  00:19, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Hmm... how about this: The Astrum Ædificium or the Astrum Edificium? – ClockworkSoul 00:42, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I could suggest The Petri Barnstar -- you know, since a Petri Dish is used for culturing microorganisms, the "microorganisms" here being the science-related articles. Too far fetch? Redux 02:19, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • <shudder> I plate bacterial colonies pretty much daily, and the very hint brings the unpleasant smell of agar to mind. Yuck! – ClockworkSoul 02:37, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd like User:68.81.231.127 to be the first to get this, but it's not that important. (all those periods on his user page are links to articles) -- BRIAN0918  02:32, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Works for me. Should we set up some image and name grids, and start voting now? – ClockworkSoul 02:37, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I just looked at his page. Amazing: this guy has been more active as an anon than many named users. Will he be the first anon to earn a barnstar? – ClockworkSoul 02:39, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • He's not just contributing content either. He seems to know all the Wikipedia style policies. See his edit of one of my articles. In my opinion he should be the first anon to be an admin, but I'm not sure how that would work. -- BRIAN0918  02:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• I say E=MC² Barnstar --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 04:27, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vote or die!

This one seems ready for a vote also. Like the Culture Barnstar, this voting period is open-ended, and will be closed when a clear concensus is reached. In the event that no concensus is reached, a second vote will be held among the front-runners. – ClockworkSoul 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image selection board

No deadline; boards will be closed when a clear concensus is reached. – ClockworkSoul 15:03, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Name selection board

Lots of great names proposed here, which I listed in alphabetical order. Again, no deadline; the boards will be closed when a clear concensus is reached. – ClockworkSoul 15:03, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• If the voting keeps up like this, we'll have to start over, or something! It will never be the "Petri star", however :P – ClockworkSoul 12:09, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I'd like to close this out, but I don't see a clear consensus just yet... Has anybody not yet votes? – ClockworkSoul 03:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, some of the people who usually participate in this forum have not voted (Grutness and Deathphoenix, for instance), but it doesn't mean that they will. They might be absent from Wikipedia at the time or just not interested in participating in this particular issue. As I see it, we cannot drag this on much longer. I say if no one else votes for the next three days, we close this out and accept a relative majority (very relative, but can we do?) and select the E=MC² name, which has gotten 3 votes so far. Or, at the very least, we can, in three days time, start a second election between the E=MC² and the Petri Star names, which are the two most voted, so the people who voted for the other names (all two of them) can help settle this for once (but within a limited voting period, since we already know the opinion of most of the people who did vote, so there's no reason to allow a second election to go on for another two weeks or so). Regards, Redux 03:58, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Perhaps we should just as Riffsyphon1024 which one he prefers? – ClockworkSoul 16:44, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • I've been watching this page for a while now, but I haven't voted or commented on anything, though I'd like to be involve. How about I break the deadlock by throwing my two cents in? Bratsche^{talk random} 17:14, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

I voted on both, but I don't know if it actually helped with the name selection. I like the sound of Petri Barnstar... we should definitely ask Riffsyphon which of these two are preferred. --Deathphoenix 23:06, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

SciMath star proposal

E=MC2 Barnstar Category: Science and Mathematics ("Hard" sciences, biology, geology, medicine, mathematics, medicine, minerology, physics) The E=MC2 may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine contributions regarding science or mathematics-related topics This award was introduced on April 22, 2005 by brian0918 and ClockworkSoul.

Okay, this has been open for a long while now, so I guess it's okay to close it. Above is the final proposal for the star: what do you all think, yea or nay?

Well, if that's the format the majority chose, it's fine, we can close it out — still think that the image n. 3 would be the best though. I took the liberty of correcting a tiny grammar slip in the proposed header, I hope it's all right. Regards, Redux 02:36, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that 4-3 is a consensus. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:12, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

I think we should wait on this one, though the scale was just tipped 5-3 in favor of the victor. Zscout370 03:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Which voting block are you looking at? 5-3 is the vote for naming. I still see a 4-3 vote for the picture. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:02, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not entirely happy with it either, but we let it sit open for quite some time. If you're very unhappy with it, we can leave it open longer: I'm in no hurry, and I would prefer broader concensus as well. – ClockworkSoul 13:37, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• • • I swtiched my vote to the slim majority one (E=mc2), but I am not sure if others will do the same. Zscout370 (talk) 01:03, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

By tacit acceptance, this award is hereby installed as per ClockworkSoul proposition. No one was contesting the final choice openly anyways, we were just stalling in order to get more people to vote, which is now clear that is not likely to happen. Regards, Redux 13:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Society (economics, government & politics, law, media, royalty & nobility, war)

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  Cluster (grm_wnr)
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  Better defined hole (grm_wnr)

Anybody have any ideas for how we can do this? At the moment, I'm at a loss, but I'll try to think of something. – ClockworkSoul 15:49, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I added an idea above. Lots of lil' barnstars making up a big ol' barnstar. AWWWWWW ^^; -- grm_wnr Esc 02:48, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Interesting. I never thought of that. Not sure if this works for this category though. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:33, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
    • I think it can work, since it takes up many people to form a society. This idea is the perfect example. Zscout370 04:13, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Definitely interesting and very clever: it's nothing that I would have ever thought of. – ClockworkSoul 14:05, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I thought of using all kinds of different barnstars at first. Pro: Emphasizes the diversity of society. Con: Looks less like a actual barnstar, and is also a LOT more work. If you're interested, I could make one though. -- grm_wnr Esc 17:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I really liked the idea. I don't think it will be necessary to create a star composed of several different barnstars, it might end up looking a bit "psychedelic". Just one thing: I don't want to sound crazy, but I was thinking that the image could be perfected in it's center. I mean, we can clearly identify the ends of the "bigger star" that is being formed by the smaller ones, as well as the general shape of it, but the central hole of this big star is sort of deformed. If we could round it up a little, it would be perfect. Alternatively, we could make it look like a "solid" star, with no hole at all. Regards, Redux 02:55, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • Like this? -- grm_wnr Esc 17:32, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • Much better. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:38, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
            • Now it looks great. I think we have a winner. Good job Grm! Regards, Redux 22:23, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • Very interesting! Also, as an aside, I put the category subtopics up the heading. Maybe it can help us if we have trouble decide against this star. – ClockworkSoul 22:41, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • It is a keeper in my book. Zscout370 (talk) 23:35, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

All right then. Last 48 hours for any objections/suggestions that might change the award. Then it will be added to the official list and this discussion will be closed (it's not like it's been all that active anyways). Regards, Redux 05:38, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Back in business: I don't know if anyone will even read this, so if no one answers in the next couple of days, I'll just consider my proposal accepted and go ahed with the installation. It's about the name of the award, which we forgot to discuss: I propose calling it "The High Life Barnstar". Ideas? Suggestions? Regards, Redux 13:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How about The Human Societies Barnstar or just The Society Barnstar since there's already a Daily Life/Personal Life category? Sango123 02:19, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

I can settle for The Society Barnstar. Seems good enough. How about it Sango? Anyone else wants to pitch in? Regards, Redux 19:18, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead with the Society Barnstrar. Bratsche^{talk 5 pillars} 22:28, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Sounds great. Sango123 17:39, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

All done. Check out the new entry at the Barnstars on Wikipedia page and see if you (anybody) like the scope description I entered — We had not discussed this here, but to avoid any more delays, I took the liberty of creating it as I wrote the entry. I do believe that it turned out quite satisfactory though. Regards, Redux 01:13, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Technology

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  1. Lightbulb1 (brian0918)
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  2. Lightbulb2 (brian0918)
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  3. Lightbulb3 (brian0918)

• Picture this: a barnstar made of wires and steel plating. Need I say more?
  • That idea sounds good (I was initially thinking of something similar), but it seems like it might go against the tradition of barnstars being very simple. Also, it might look weird to be awarded to someone who contributed a vast number of articles on the industrial revolution, for example. If someone made a high-tech barnstar that people liked, I'd probably vote for it, but for now, here's a rough draft of my attempt. Any comments? -- BRIAN0918  16:11, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • At the moment, I would vote for this one, I think. I like the lightbulb idea. – ClockworkSoul 17:48, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm neutral on this. I like the idea, but I don't like how bright it is. I was also thinking of maybe using little LEDs in the shape of a star, or maybe replace the star with circuit boards. --Deathphoenix 21:06, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I've attempted to make a diamond-plated barnstar, but its harder to make than it seems. I can't do it with my photo-editing software. Maybe someone else can. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:59, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
    • I love the idea, though! – ClockworkSoul 05:10, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• The light bulb is too bright, how about a NON lit bulb like this where B stans for the bulb?
  

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• • I've uploaded a 3rd version where the bulb is lit but the background isn't brightened by it. Let me know how this can be improved. -- BRIAN0918  14:14, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • How about adding cartoon lines? --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 05:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I actually like the brightness effect: lightbulb2 is the way I would go if I could choose right now. – ClockworkSoul 14:48, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• I say #2 with a light bulb that is not lit but is lit in a cartoon way.
  • I actually think that bulb2 is fine. It seems like the bulb is lit, without throwing out the barnstar. How cartoony are you talking about? Bratsche^{talk random} 17:20, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
• In the absence of any better ideas, I'm going to move that we open a vote and accept one of the above images. Any seconds? – ClockworkSoul 03:50, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Second. Bratsche^{talk random} 20:42, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Vote or Die

I suppose we might as well open a vote and accept one of the three images. Sango123 16:25, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

A consensus hath been reached! The proposal then:

Technology

The Technology Barnstar Category: Technology (Technology, transportation) The Technology Barnstar may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine Technology-related contributions. This award was introduced on March 3, 2005 by brian0918 and ClockworkSoul, and was designed by brian0918.

Does The Technology Barnstar sound good? Sango123 July 4, 2005 20:28 (UTC)

Yes. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 4 July 2005 20:29 (UTC)

Okay, I'll update the main barnstar page and Template:Barnstars and move this discussion to the archive. Sango123 July 5, 2005 20:57 (UTC)

Life (education, food & drink, language, sports & games)

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  Tattoo (grm_wnr)
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  Bling bling (grm_wnr)
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  Possible image (Sango123)

• Perhaps the proposed Running Man Barnstar can be broadened in scope? (Just a passing thought)

I have a suggestion. Make a variant of the medal below with a Barnstar instead of the puzzle piece. -- AllyUnion (talk) 08:59, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I know this is probably a bit weird, but an idea just suddenly popped into my head... See above. -- grm_wnr Esc 03:22, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Interesting concept, and I think it's in the right direction, but I think that I would prefer an actual barnstar of some kind here. My problem is this: what is it, that in a single image summarizes "daily life"? – ClockworkSoul 14:45, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Ok now this is bordering on the ridiculous, but you wanted a real barnstar, a real barnstar you get. Doesn't get any realer! Complete with dorky Westside Wikipedia hand gesture. The chain made out of paper clips may make it just surreal enough to actually work, though. ;) -- grm_wnr Esc 16:58, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Here's a thought: How about an image (drawn, not photographed :P ) of a hand holding a barnstar? – ClockworkSoul 16:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe we could place a background of a line of city skyscrapers, a farm scene, or something on this Barnstar image. I think any daily scenery would work. Sango123 19:40, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Perhaps... I've never been a big fan of backgrounds on barnstars, though. – ClockworkSoul 20:13, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • You're probably right, Clockwork. Backgrounds can become tacky. How's this (third image)? I can clean it up a bit if necessary. (Sorry... I can't draw hands that well. ^_^) Sango123 23:27, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
      • This is great. For being on the Barnstar pages for only a few days now, Sango, man, you are doing great work. Zscout370 (talk) 23:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • That's not bad at all... – ClockworkSoul 00:02, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I like it too! Is that barnstar on the bottom anyway related to the resilent barnstar down at the bottom of this page? Bratsche^{talk random} 03:10, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
        • I'm sorry, Bratsche... could you tell me which Barnstars you are referring to? Sango123 20:00, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
          • Sorry, Sango. I meant your green proposal for the Resilient Barnstar. Bratsche^{talk random} 18:26, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, if we do have a Vote or Die situation again, my vote is on the barnstar, with the flower, that was drawn by Sango. Zscout370 (talk) 20:16, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Shall we commence a Vote or Die and accept an image? Sango123 July 4, 2005 19:32 (UTC)

Yes. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 4 July 2005 20:04 (UTC)

Vote or Die!

It's that time again, ladies and germs. Vote now or forever hold your silence. Sango123 July 4, 2005 20:16 (UTC)

Consensus reached! :) Sango123 July 6, 2005 20:16 (UTC)

Okay, now what do we call it?

'The Life Barnstar' sounds kind of bland. How about The Barnstar of Life or The Humanity Barnstar? Sango123 July 6, 2005 20:16 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Life. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 6 July 2005 20:19 (UTC)

Proposal

Life

The Barnstar of Life Category: Life (education, food & drink, language, sports & games) The Barnstar of Life may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine Life-related contributions. This award was introduced on March 17, 2005 by brian0918 and ClockworkSoul, and was designed by Sango123.

Shall we accept this? Sango123 July 7, 2005 16:44 (UTC)

Yes. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 7 July 2005 17:38 (UTC)

Moving and archiving. Sango123 July 7, 2005 20:19 (UTC)

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