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The result was no consensus and it's unlikely one is going to emerge with experienced editors looking at the sources differently. Star Mississippi 03:28, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

YakiniQuest[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NCORP. Appears to be a WP:MILL restaurant. The articles best claim of notability is one "of the 6 best yakiniku restaurants in Singapore in 2016". Besides typical restaurant review coverage, there is not much - No in-depth significant independent coverage. MB 01:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 02:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I'd like to see Delete voters assess sources found and not dismiss them as "local" coverage. Those advocating Keep have put forward a strong argument that not every restaurant in a city receives this kind of coverage from the media.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason there are two of the same photo provided by the restaurant is that the restaurant did a photo shoot and started sending out press releases. Which also explains why so many of the articles that include those photos are from the same short period. In my mind there is a clear possibility this is paid advertising. Valereee (talk) 22:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because, yeah, this is how professional journalists write: "...which lit up flames of passion within the Ishida’s to spread their love of yakiniku with everyone." Yep. Valereee (talk) 22:40, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Straits Times articles were published in 2015 and February 2022. The other articles were published in March 2022 and April 2022 which I view as a sufficiently long time period to be not from a brief burst of coverage. The quote has flowery language from an enthusiastic restaurant reviewer. I see no evidence that the author of the quote, Dawson Tan of Time Out, is an unprofessional journalist.

Accusing reputable journalists of undisclosed paid advertising is a very serious allegation to make. Is there any evidence that Hsueh Yun Tan of The Straits Times, Jaime Ee of The Business Times, Ah Yoke Wong of The Straits Times, Grace Ma of CNA, or Dawson Tan of Time Out or their publications have ever engaged in undisclosed paid advertising? Cunard (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well ... the CNA article is marked as an Advertisement. We can learn a bit from that. For example, we now know that the restaurant will pay for reviews. We can also that the restaurant will provide photos for the review. We can see that the review follows a particular format and mentions the story of the blog and how the founder/chef left his job, etc. All of these traits we can see in the other reviews too. We can see that in the other "reviews" that Photos were provided by the restaurant. We can see in the last reference from The Business Times the same interior photo that appeared in the CNA article. But to be honest, all of this is very obvious, I don't know why we're even having a discussion about these reviews. Even if we accept the the reviews are "independent", I still don't see why getting reviewed in a daily newspaper translates as notability. One of the Keep !voters above put forward the reason that it was unusual for restaurants to get reviewed - which is very odd considering that some of those publications, The Straits Times, have multiple reviews published on the same day. But again, so what? Millions of restaurants get reviewed every day. Being reviewed in daily newspapers doesn't make the restaurant notable. This is common or garden newspaper filler by and the examples above appear to follow a script and rely on photos provided by the restaurant so arguable not even intellectually independent. HighKing++ 21:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The CNA article is not marked as an advertisement. The advertisement at the top refers to the advertisement at the top not the article. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might be right. I was looking at the archive version and it just has the word "advertisement" at the top - but the "live" version doesn't. Also found this article which is marked as an Advertorial. But the rest of the points still hold up. HighKing++ 11:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of the Straits Times articles you linked are reviews. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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