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The result was redirect to List of YMCA buildings#YMCA May Building (Huntington, West Virginia). While not the explicit consensus, it makes sense as a viable AtD that solves to both the attribution should it be worth spinning this out into an article about the Huntington YMCA and deleting the present article, for which we lack GNG sourcing. I don't see a second relist achieving anything particularly different, consensus wise. Star Mississippi 02:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

YMCA May Building (Huntington, West Virginia)[edit]

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Fails all our notability guidelines. We don't have a speedy deletion criterion for buildings, otherwise this would be a clear candidate. Fram (talk) 16:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a claim, that there's no history there. Good for YMCA Boston that it was the first in the US in 1851, but like its article, what's appropriate for the scope of Huntington WV YMCA includes its historic buildings, and its history goes back to 1885. --Doncram (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That building appears to be of type covered in books on architecture and/or history, esp. of its city or state. What it has been named, to search on, is not clear. I cannot myself currently download these, but check this NRHP document 1[better link below] from NARA, and there's an update to that. .--Doncram (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2022 (UTC
Update: upon review of the two NRHP documents, 2007 NRHP document and 1985 NRHP document, it turns out the historic district ran up 6th Avenue past 11th St. but did not include the 1931 building, presumably on the other side of the avenue. The Castro article of 2017 said was standing but vacant, and was a feature, perhaps part of a series, titled "Lost Huntington" suggesting it covered gone or goner things. I can't find it immediately in Google Streetview so i am not sure what is up. It is visible in Google Streetview (here is the more photogenic end with the "Young Men's Christian Association" door); it is the building at 620 11th St. and/or 1101 Sixth Avenue, at 38°25′05″N 82°26′22″W / 38.41818°N 82.43932°W / 38.41818; -82.43932 (former YMCA building) I started to try to contact the author of the 2017 article, but find it was apparently by historian James A. Casto (not Castro), who unfortunately died, age 78, on October 10, 2021.
Nonetheless from the 1885 age of the organization and it having had three major buildings, I think there exist substantial coverage, though not necessarily online. --Doncram (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to confuse the Huntington YMCA, which may perhaps be notable, and the Huntington YMCA May building, which is what the article and the AfD are about and which has no indication of notability (in the article and in your contribs here). Fram (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am not confusing anything. The scope of the article can/should be revised to cover the Huntington WV YMCA, allowing its entire history as an organization and owner/developer of at least 3 major buildings. I think I have been clear about that. Similar to treatment of some other YMCAs and YWCAs such as the Boston one in List of YMCA buildings and List of YWCA buildings list-articles (to which I've contributed), though, yes, the list-title is "buildings", but still. And similar to treatment of many hundreds or thousands of articles on churches and libraries, say, where it does not make sense to split coverage of organization vs. one or more of its buildings.
I am sure the larger topic is wikipedia-notable fundamentally, but if there aren't sources forthcoming here to support this article for now, the preferred thing to do would be to REDIRECT it to its row in List of YMCAs [specifically direct link to anchor at that row, List of YMCA buildings#YMCA May Building (Huntington, West Virginia) ] leaving redirect behind with the edit history. --Doncram (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"List of YMCA buildings" describes itself as a list of notable YMCA buildings. If there is consensus not to keep this article here, then that establishes the fact that it is not notable, and therefore does not belong on that list. (I haven't evaluated whether this is in fact notable, just pointing out the implications) * Pppery * it has begun... 16:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, items in a list don't each have to have a separate article or be proven to be individually Wikipedia-notable topics. "List-item notability" can be a lower standard defined by editors of the list-article. I have been, by the way, the creator and probably the main editor of many list-articles including the YMCA and YWCA ones. Items can be bluelinks, redlinks supported by souces, or "black links" where no future article is ever expected. --Doncram (talk) 23:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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