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The result was delete. Mkdw ^talk 18:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

YGOnDaBeat[edit]

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Fails every point of WP:NMUSIC and fails WP:GNG. A not notable producer that has only produced a few songs, the majority by artists without Wikipedia articles and has not been covered by various independent reliable sources. Also a Google News search turns up nothing. STATic message me! 03:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. czar · · 03:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Not sure I can comment as the article creator, but here's my point of view. Record producers are different from regular musicians as they rarely release records on their own. Instead they usually produce works for other artists. The producer in question has produced an album (Finally Rich) which has charted on the Billboard 200, as well as on Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums and Top Rap Albums, and as such should meet point 2 of WP:NMUSIC for musicians. Coverage by various sources is not the only criteria for notability. 2Flows (talk) 04:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do not make it out to seem like he produced the whole album, when he only produced two songs. Point two is for songs or albums HE has released, not producing two songs(neither being singles for that matter) on one album that charted on a couple Billboard charts. It is not the only, but it is the most important that "the subject has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself". We can not have an article for every record producer that makes a song that appears on a popular artists album. Notability is not inherited, and I could not find a single reliable source covering him.STATic message me! 05:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter if he produced 1 song or 10, he is still credited as producer. And point 2 ("Has had a single or album") doesn't mention he released it as primary artist. As I said, producers don't usually release records as main artists, but work on albums by other artists. In my opinion, a producer meets WP:NMUSIC if he has produced a single or an album, which has charted on a national chart, since it's his work as well. 2Flows (talk) 05:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This would be true if the whole album was produced by him, but since it was not he does not meet WP:NMUSIC. According to your logic, where are the articles for Casa Di, Leek-E-Leek, Lil Keis, Nard & B. and Young Ravisu? The others various producers on that album. Thats right they would all be deleted for not meeting NMUSIC just like this one will. He is no more notable than any of them. Being covered by independent reliable sources in the main merit for inclusion for any article in Wikipedia. You have ignored the fact that any single reliable source has yet to be provided, that covers this producer in detail. STATic message me! 05:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The non-existence of articles on closely related topics is irrelevant: this is just WP:OTHERSTUFF. Perhaps all of these people are notable but nobody's had the time or inclination to write articles on them, except for YGOnDaBeat. As you say later, it's the existence of reliable sources that determines notability, not the existence or non-existence of similar articles. Dricherby (talk) 10:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, just like YGOnDaBeat all those people produced songs on the album, and have no reliable sources covering them. I know what OTHERSTUFF exists is. This whole nomination is based on the fact I could find zero reliable sources covering this producer. STATic message me! 12:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. So stick to arguments about notability: invalid arguments based around WP:OTHERSTUFF just cause confusion and don't make the case any stronger. Dricherby (talk) 13:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you bother to read any part of the discussion except two sentences? The whole nomination was behind the fact, there are zero reliable sources covering this producer. STATic message me! 16:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I read the rest. My point was solely that you shouldn't augment your perfectly valid notability arguments with invalid otherstuff arguments. If you'd like to discuss this more, drop me a line on my talk page; I think it's getting a bit off-topic for AfD. Dricherby (talk) 16:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If the only notable artist this guy has produced for is Chief Keef, his article should be deleted right away. Koala15 (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. Very impressive list of artists he wants to work with. Not at all impressed by what he's actually done. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 01:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't pass WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC Transcendence (talk) 18:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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