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The result was Keep per consensus. Peacent 02:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Peers[edit]

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Contested Prod. There is no such thing as the Welsh Peerage; this indiscriminate collection of information is a list of peers, one of them a Campbell, others quite English, who take their titles from Wales. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The article gives some interesting information on the peerage in Wales and of course explains that there are now no Welsh Peerage. It is not called the "Welsh Peerage", but "Welsh Peers". I believe there is a legitimate interest in listing those peers with a connection to Wales. So, keep, but merge in the information on their country houses. --Bduke 02:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep because it lists those peers whose titles have a Welsh place-named origion (Anglesea, Dwyfor, Abergavenny for instance) or its territorial qualification is within Wales, such as Baron Champion, of Pontypridd in the County of Glamorgan. It currently states in the artical that Welsh Peers do not form a seperate peerage from the English, British, and UK peerages in and of itself, simply identifies those peers whose titles are of or in Wales. The tittle holder may or may not be of Welsh ethnicity, but the title-holders ethnicity is not the point of the artical at all. There is a valid interest as to what peerage titles are in Wales, as opposed to elsewhere. Drachenfyre 06:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC) Further note, the title of the Campbell mentioned is Earl Cawdor, of Castlemartin in the County of Pembroke. It is the territorial qualification within his title in the Historic counties of Wales of Pembrokeshire that qualifies him for this list. Additionally, if you read the artical on the Earl Cawdor, you may be surprised to note that this branch was itself decended from a cadet branch which moved to Carmarthenshire, Wales, and represented this region in Parliment. But this should not be grounds for deletion Drachenfyre 07:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I agree with all the reasons above from those that would like to keep the page, particularly those of the creator of the page. Having contributed to the page myself, it is an excellent resource as a lot of successful people tend to move out of Wales and be more 'UK' based, and this gives us an indication of their roots e.g. Michael Heseltine. Equally, some people gain their 'success' from moving the other way e.g. Alan Howarth, Baron Howarth of Newport. Perhaps as a compromise, the name of the page should be changed so as to avoid confusion. Perhaps 'Peerage in Wales' and then start with an opening paragraph that explains background to the peerage in the UK etc. Glamorgan 11:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was myself thinking that Welsh Titles may be a compromise to avoid such confusion. I thought Welsh peers was more in keeping with the current British peerage divisions, as opposed to names such as Peerage in Wales or Welsh peerage. Drachenfyre 16:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Nominator seems to be expressing an opinion through the AfD. The assertion might be correct, but this is not the correct forum to evaluate the assertion that there are no Welsh peers. --Kevin Murray 14:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep' - simply that, there are similar articles on English, Scottish and Irish peers. True there is no such thing as a distinct Welsh Peerage, but there are Welsh Peers. Rgds, --Trident13 22:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, and merge in Welsh Nobility Family Seats as a major heading. - Peter Ellis - Talk 04:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Drachenfyre as a valid article on which peerages have territorial links in their titles with Wales. No need to rename: any possible confusion about whether this is an article about a "Welsh Peerage" is cleared up by the contents of the article, and the current name has the benefit of being short and direct. Bencherlite 08:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but chnage name once afd has been finished. Lots of useful information here, SqueakBox 01:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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