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The result was keep. provisional keep pending m,ass nomination/discussion as discussed at ani Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Visa requirements for Russian citizens[edit]

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Delete Not encyclopedic at all. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, which is exactly what this article is. Basket of Puppies 03:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Speedy~~ keep. First of all, this request for deletion goes against the consensus which was established in Talk:Passport/Archive 3. Second, a list of visa requirements for citizens of a given nation is not an indiscriminate collection of information; other list-type articles (see Category:Geography-related lists for hundreds of examples) are considered encyclopedic by the community. Third, visa requirements are notable and frequently make the news in Russia ([1], [2], [3], and [4] are some typical examples). — Tetromino (talk) 03:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I looked at the archive, but could see nothing relating to consensus for these articles. However, there is a clearly forming consensus here for deletion of these articles for the above listed WP:NOT reasons. As well, the appropriate place to discuss deletion of articles is on an AfD, not on the article talk page. Basket of Puppies 03:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - That AfD isn't even closed yet, how do you see a consensus? --Sulmues ^(talk) 03:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - I never said there exist a consensus. I said it is forming. Basket of Puppies 04:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please explain precisely which parts of WP:NOT this article violates. And I am talking about the detailed clauses in the actual text of the guideline, not the pithy all-caps redirects. — Tetromino (talk) 04:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Number 6, generally. Basket of Puppies 04:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Which part? Do you feel the article is a sales catalog or a yellow pages-style directory? Wikipedia generally allows standalone list-type articles, provided they are not too broad, too specific, or too trivial. — Tetromino (talk) 04:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        The suggestion that this is a speedy keep is ridiculous. "Consensus" is not found in archived talk page discussions on tangentially related articles. That's just gamesmanship. This article may or may not meet the criteria, but reference to a debate that doesn't have wide-spread exposure and was a while back isn't particularly compelling. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the speedy keep criteria.
        That said, I might be inclined to agree with your position, but it gives me significant pause when you overstate the case like this. Shadowjams (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        I apologize, I did not know that the English Wikipedia has a formal definition of "speedy keep". I'm crossing out the word "speedy" per your suggestion. As for the "tangentially related article": if you read the discussion archive, you will see that Talk:Passport emerged as the central place for discussing the suitability of visa requirements information for Wikipedia. This is because (1) there are over a hundred articles listing visa requirements, and it's obviously silly to discuss each one individually when the arguments for and against keeping visa information in Wikipedia were (and still are) to a large degree independent of the nation involved; and (2) the visa requirements information was originally included in articles about various countries' passports (e.g. see the old version of the Russian passport article), making Talk:Passport a natural central forum for the editors of passport and visa articles. — Tetromino (talk) 07:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Yes, there actually WAS such a consensus which was established in Talk:Passport page. I do remember that, too. "Keep or delete", "encyclopedic or non-encyclopedic", has been discussed countless times here. Thanks. Best Regards. --Ozguroot (talk) 07:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I've got plenty of consensus on Aren't cat's cute too, only it's not widespread enough to satisfy WP:N. Like I said above I might think this merits a Keep, but you've got to make an argument; references to esoteric talk pages aren't enough. Shadowjams (talk) 08:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I should have noticed this is at ANI now. Shadowjams (talk) 19:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep: as per keeps above. There are too much analogous visa-policy-related-AfDs currently and I think if there is a need for a new discussion (as there were such before) it should be on a single page. Alinor (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep for reasons described below. scope_creep (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - There are a lot of sources and they're varied. I think this kind of material borders on directory style but I'm going to err on the side of keep. Shadowjams (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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