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The result was Keep. Espresso Addict 16:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was speedy deleted as a hoax (which is not a CSD.) DRV overturned because the admittedly imaginary micro-nation has received press coverage for its humor value, for which, see the DRV. Deletion is on the table, given obvious notability concerns. Xoloz 13:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Creator of micronation is an employee of Radio Finland, and repeated references to the subject on Radio Finland have been made. There is also evidence, unfortunately only in Finnish, which I can't read, that the Finnish Defense Forces staged what would have to be called a military exercise to retake the "country". This exercise is I am told referred to in the Finnish Defense Forces webpage included as a reference. Again, I can't read Finnish. However, I believe that the references cited indicate that the subject almost certainly does meet the notability requirements, and that there is no just cause for deletion. John Carter 13:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It's certainly not a hoax, as it's easily verifiable - albeit in multiple Finnish-language sources. It's obviously a tongue-in-cheek micronation, a bit like Elleore. However, the article does require cleanup and additional English-language references. --Gene_poole 16:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, even if no English language sources are found. There is nothing wrong with basing an article off reliable foriegn language sources. J Milburn 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• This doesn't notable enough for a separate article to me. Ari Peltonen is a somewhat well known person in Finland, though, so how about starting an article on Mr. Peltonen and merging what's relevant there? Paska (band) should also be merged in my opinion. --KFP (talk | contribs) 17:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Tongue-in-cheek fictional micronation. Some notable people are associated with this joke but that does not make this worthwhile for a separate article. Merge into a footnote in Paska (band). jni 13:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep- per above. Notable, and should never have been deleted.JJJ999 02:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.