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The result was redirect‎ to Michel Vaillant. Daniel (talk) 23:59, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vaillante[edit]

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A fictional company that does not appear to have notability separate from the comic series it appears in. (My BEFORE is not helping, although perhaps some sources exist in French?) The article is just mostly a plot summary with a mostly unreferenced trivia list of toys/merchandise/etc. that again seems related to the comic series (which is about a fictional race driver associated with this fictional company). Due to the poor referencing state (just one footnote), I don't think there is much to merge - a redirect however is fine (WP:CHEAP). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Comics and animation, Companies, and France. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Fifteen cars have been produced with this brand so not fictional. Hektor (talk) 17:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Fan-made models ("PLEASE NOTE THAT THE CAR IS SOLD WITHOUT A TECHNICAL INSPECTION.") don't make this a notable brand. Interesting trivia to be merged though. Although if you really think this run of 15 cars is notable, you can write an article about it. The current one is about something differnet (fictional company from the comics). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Building 15 cars at 50000+ euros a piece is not a fan activity. These cars have a license plate and are therefore street legal. The cars have been presented at Paris Car show 1999 Hektor (talk) 10:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Setting aside whether this activity itself meets WP:GNG, this is not what is discussed in the article (reminder: fictional company...). Fictional company does not build real cars. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the issue isn't whether this is fictional. The issue is whether this is notable, as a topic with reliable coverage in independent reliable sources. It isn't. We can't write a reliable article without verifiable information. Doesn't meet WP:OR / WP:V / WP:N / etc. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. In case anyone cares, the trivia about events in which some cars were pained with Vaillante colors and such is better referenced at pl:Vaillante - some of that could be translated and added to the article about the comic. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:38, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Michel Vaillant per nom. The actual fictional company itself does not appear to have the kind of significant coverage that would support or justify a separate article, rather than just being covered as part of the piece of fiction it came from. The fact that there have been some real cars produced as a homage to the fictional cars is an interesting bit of trivia that can possibly be covered in the comic series' article, but does not actually impart any kind of notability to the actual fictional company. A redirect to the main article on the comic, where the fictional company that appears in it is already discussed, would be the best course of action here. Rorshacma (talk) 17:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Michel Vaillant as AtD per above.  // Timothy :: talk  10:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Michel Vaillant, fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. --Mika1h (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.