The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 20:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Underground Hades Empire Infershia[edit]

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Again, this is all plot information (WP:PLOT) with no real world context. There are no secondary sources to meet WP:FICT. Pilotbob 04:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Deleting an article is not the first response to bad content. Fix it first. All of this seems to be in response to the keep of another article in the same series. We do not delete articles because of WP:NOT. We fix them.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  This article cannot meet WP:NOT. I could not find coverage of this subject in any reliable secondary source so it does not meet WP:FICT. If this article is rewritten, it still will not policy guidelines. Since reliable secondary sources do not exist, no amount of rewriting can make a difference. Explain how this article can be revised without still violating WP:NOT, WP:N, and WP:RS. I have nominated these articles because I believe fixing them is impossible Pilotbob 04:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  There are secondary sources. I will find them tonight. There are also primary sources, as well. Just because you do not know how to fix them, does not mean that other people do not know, as well. I know that there are a lot of articles that need fixing, because people feel the need to put plot summary in fictional character biographies. Maybe if you sought out the sources in the other articles they referenced, you may be able to find suitable secondary sources, instead of automatically going "This article sucks because NOT, N, RS, etc. Let's delete it." Deletion is not a response to slightly perfect content. Its a response to content that has absolutely no place in an encyclopedia. This is a list of characters in a notable television series. They are notable. Reliable sources can be found, and I will find them.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. -- Pilotbob 04:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete: if this article is pruned of all OR and cruft it would be a small paragraph worth of material. that small paragraph maybe should exist within some other article here on wikipedia but i don't see it in the middle of all of the claptrap in that article. ^Law/_Disorder 04:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  There is no original research. Its just not properly sourced and cited at the moment. This page could be really shortened, but other than that, I know its not perfect in its current state.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  "N Ma was resurrected when Meemy transferred the Magirangers' Legend powers into him. The tendrils on his head each end with a dragon's head. When Wolzard turned back into Blagel, N Ma turned him back, but Kai broke his spell. N Ma was seemingly hindered by Blagel when he sacrificed himself to stop N Ma by sealing the demon's soul in his own body." ^Law/_Disorder 04:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  That tells you nothing about what could be sourced to off-site episode summary, off-site character biography, official site episode summary, or official site character biography. That sentence only tells you what happened in the television series (which is currently the content of the article). Not about the characters within the series itself.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  This does tell you that the article creator simply translated it from Chinese into English without any cleanup effort. Pilotbob 05:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Where do you get Chinese from? Regardless, the article was created because its content was cluttering up its series page. This gave the unintentional result of making the article waaaaaaaaay too long. As I said, I'll be looking for sources and I'll be getting someone to cut out anything that is useless in the information.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as article has no primary sources, nor reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Furthermore the article is written from an in-universe perspective and primarily comprises of plot summary. This fancruft is beyond clean up. --Gavin Collins 10:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral - I am not sure about this, but I agree with WP:NOT#IINFO, WP:FANCRUFT, WP:WAF, WP:RS and WP:V Greg Jones II 12:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*delete as it currently stands. no primary sources, no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability as stated above. If this changes, I'll reconsider. --Fredrick day 17:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Neutral due to changes to the article - will need to read it closely later. --Fredrick day 12:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The info is needed as it deals with the main charatcers. Like Ryulong said, if you don't like it, just fix it. Fractyl 18:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOT#PLOT. This is just a summary of these chracters' roles in the fictional universe with no real-world context or analysis. It's doubtful reliable secondary sources exist to fix that problem or to establish notability per WP:FICT. Without such sources, this article cannot be "fixed". Doctorfluffy 19:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and shorten: Like Ryulong this material can be rewritten to remove excessive plot detail. Besides if this article is to be deleted then I would suggest to Trans-Wiki these into the Mahou Sentai Magiranger page on the Power Rangers Wiki where a lot of other material that used to be on Wikipedia. If you look at this link [1] you can see how badly underwritten the articles on this wiki are. Besides Pilotbob, can't you see that since these shows are generally released only in Japan that it is hard to find reliable sources for this stuff. Personally my opinion is that deletion should Never be the first option to removing a bad article. -Adv193 00:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I've found some primary and secondary sources, as well as the page's compliment at the Japanese language Wikipedia at 地底冥府インフェルシア.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I see no need to delete it, as the material can definently be rewritten to be more concise.--Mr Fink 19:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as this game guide has no reliable sources to demonstrate notability.--Gavin Collins 08:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a game guide and it has reliable sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Reluctant delete in its present state, fails WP:NOT#IINFO, WP:FANCRUFT, WP:WAF, WP:RS and WP:V. (But it's not a game guide; that's just Gavin's pet peeve.) Ryulong and others have not addressed these issues, leading one to suspect they cannot. --Orange Mike 21:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no real-world content after first sentence; fails WP:FICT Percy Snoodle 10:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • If one would state how several fictional characters' biographies are supposed to have real world content, then it could be incorporated. Everyone is just saying "this is wrong because X and that is why it should be deleted" and not saying how it could be improved.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If there is no real-world content which addresses these characters and their biographies, then there is no reason for this article to be in Wikipedia. Please read WP:NOT#IINFO again. --Orange Mike 03:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • So that pretty much covers every single list of fictional characters on Wikipedia. This one was put up in a batch of five and were chosen because a similar article was kept in another AFD.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• This is why I began planning to remove unnecessary details from Wikipedia for both Power Rangers and Super Sentai and transfer them to the Power Rangers Wiki which can accomadate the info but as I said before all this article needs is to be trimmed to cut down on details. -Adv193 03:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: That's right, we must delete this trivial article that's only useful to a few thousand people in order to save electrons. Remember, save those electrons, they're more important than you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.139.148.100 (talk) 17:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: This page needs quite a bit of work done, but it's all possible, and sources do exist, despite not currently being linked on the page. I find it odd that this wasn't brought up for discussion before a deletion nomination was started. Arrowned 06:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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